[PVP] I really wish i Knew more about Bruiser THREAD

[Ashdaren]

<div></div><div></div><div>This thread is for all those who are making an other bruiser on pvp server or wish to make one for the <strong>wrong</strong> reasons.</div><div> </div><div>Pvp hunting :</div><ul><li>You will unlikely kill anyone solo. (save for green players, blue can still survive first stun and flee/zone)</li><li>Anyone can escape and there is no snare button, you need to be inventive.</li></ul><p>Pvp travelling :</p><ul><li>You will unlikely be able to escape from a group of pvpers with at least one snare (save for zone at hand)</li><li>You are an easy target for everyone : you don't see and can't invis nor stealth and you don't have speed buff</li></ul><p>Pvp Effectivness :</p><ul><li>You don't have any situationnal dps buff (bruiser is the definition of constant raw power)</li><li>The stun immunity is live (wasn't on most of the time in the pvp beta) so there is no way to lock anyone, period.</li><li>Basicly what worth for a bruiser worth for all class (Lvl, Gear, SKill lvl) you do more damage than other tank, but interupt less than guardian/berserk and self heal less than Paladin/SK</li></ul><p>Classic Solo pvp scenario :</p><ul><li>You have the upper hand : your target will likely flee/zone</li><li>You're getting owned : you will die unless the other class have no snare or range damage (or you're close to a zone^^)</li></ul><p>Group Pvp :</p><ul><li>You have a chance to taunt while hitting which is really a plus</li><li>You can FD once in a while to mess up (beware of the "target previous target" key)</li></ul><p>False idea on Pvp Bruiser :</p><ul><li>You don't want to pvp solo, no need arguing if you're better than x or y cause you will never see a positive end in a solo pvp fight, you die or your enemie flee or you flee.</li><li>You won't be the more damaging class in the group (the proc fixes nerfed bruiser dps beyond expectation)</li><li>Basicly first line die first, all melee die first in pvp battle or raid pvp battle.</li><li>The best you can do for your pvp group is to taunt over and over to let your group kill the enemies and your healer heal right.</li><li>A dps machine bruiser in pvp group is exactly the same thing than a Nuking fury in a pvp group, if you can picture that, then you got the whole point. Don't restrict bruiser to dps.</li></ul><p>I do really enjoy my bruiser, but I know what to expect from it in PVP environment, I hope the new comer will do now.</p><p>DISCLAIMER : This little thread is to point out that bruiser are not geared for the hunt. Bruiser are often referred as the uber solo pvp for many not so true reasons. The fact is that we don't go for the solo pvp often and when we do it is not always for the kill.I know many bruiser will argue valid point to overcome our weakness and I also have my share of advice to do better in pvp, all in all bruiser are potent but not in all hands.</p><p>Hope this helps.</p><p>Message Edited by Ashdaren on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:34 PM</span></p>

[Owa]

<div></div><p><font size="4">I agree that Bruisers are a somewhat disappointing class in PvP. Seemingly a lot of people thought PVP bruisers would be like duelling Bruisers pre-LU#20 (i.e. overpowered). This is not the case. </font></p><p><font size="4">What's also worth taking into account if you're considering rolling a Bruiser is that there are <em>huge</em> amounts of them already - consequently equipment, and especially spells, are very expensive compared to average, and to stand out from the crowd you will have to either spend vast amounts of money to get yourself  the very best equipment and/or be remarkably good at playing your class.</font></p><p><font size="4">Having said all that, I for one just don't feel right playing any other class - and while we're not necessarily the easiest or most powerful class to play at the moment it's still fun, people still run from a rampaging bruiser - and I have a feeling SoE may throw us a bone or two over the next few months.</font></p><p><font size="4">Happy hunting...</font></p><p><font size="4">OTBBFIPCPS1987</font></p>

[Zigmun]

<div></div><p>Another thing that I wish I had known was that because our "ranged abilities" have such short ranges they really are not that helpful in helping us overcome our pvp "Weaknesses"</p><p>ie: want to mezz someone? you pretty well have to be in their face to do it.</p><p>want to taunt someone (who is trying to run away?) good luck. you are either going to lose all of your power bar trying to get close enough to them to either use a CA or taunt - or you can kiss em goodbye as they run away.</p><p>I don't mind having class weaknesses, it just seems as though in every mmporg game with pvp - ranged classes with a root or snare seem to have a decided advantage - one that a melee's armour/special abilities does not seem to compensate for. </p><p> </p>

[ganjookie]

<div></div><div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Ashdaren wrote:<div></div><div>This thread is for all those who are making an other bruiser on pvp server or wish to make one for the <strong>wrong</strong> reasons.</div><div> </div><div>Pvp hunting :</div><ul><li>You will never kill anyone solo. (save for green players, blue can still survive first stun and flee</li></ul><hr size="2" width="100%">Sorry but I stopped reading after this.  I <b>CAN</b> beat players yellow con to me.Someone is a scrub <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote></span></div><p></p><p></p><p>[edit: early monday morning posts do nobody good when I cant spell or type correctly]<span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by ganjookie on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:51 PM</span></p>

[Zigmun]

<div></div><p>Ganjookie</p><p>Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone? Why do you feel this need to jump on people?</p><p>Calling the OP a scrub is imo just as innane as the statement he made about beating greens.</p><p>Maybe you could either agree to the overall intent of the thread - or perhaps help him and suggest ways for him to better play his character.</p><p>It's posts like yours that really don't serve the Bruiser community at all - not everyone is as uber as you, has played EQ2 as long as you or has been posting/reading the forums as much as you.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Ashdaren]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>ganjookie wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Ashdaren wrote:<div></div><div>This thread is for all those who are making an other bruiser on pvp server or wish to make one for the <strong>wrong</strong> reasons.</div><div> </div><div>Pvp hunting :</div><ul><li>You will never kill anyone solo. (save for green players, blue can still survive first stun and flee</li></ul><hr size="2" width="100%">Sorry but I stopped reading after this.  I cant beat players yellow con to me.Someone is a scrub <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote></span></div><hr></blockquote><p>Sorry but you're so clever that you didn't even understood the sole sentence you read. The point is not about being able to kill yellow or red con, it is about being able to effectivly kill someone before he try to flee, which you can't stop to happen.</p><p>Still you post you can kill a yellow con, I am so much impressed you have no idea, take that cookie.</p><p>Message Edited by Ashdaren on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:47 AM</span></p>

[Samani]

<div></div><p>I'm sorry to have to agree with ganjookie but he was being gentle reffering to him as a scrub. Thats the kind of crap you hear spewed from the masses who roll the wtfpwnfotm classes then whine like crazy cus they dont have a "killeverythinginsight" button</p><p>it is very easy to keep people from running away. you have a mezz use it. No snare? get yourself a doll and snare the punk while he is mezzed. Blow you wad right at the start of a fight? well they will laugh at you same as your g/f does. try using autoattack and get some procing weapons till you hurt em a bit. No one runs from a fight they think they are gonna win, then fire off the big guns and get em to orange red or dead.</p><p>Our ranged attack is worthless? stop using iron axes and get level specific ones. if they start running and you didnt scare em off right off the bat you can easily finish them off with throwing weapons.</p><p>and all this focus on solo pvp gets tiring. How many of you walk down dark alleys in the bad part of town all alone? get yourself a friend with a snare and you will be unstoppable.</p><p>You cant run away from people? umm why are you running your a bruiser. Stand and fight and maybe people will stop laughing at you. If its one on one I dont run unless they are red and then they normally cant attack me anyways. and if you getting ganked by a group well ya that sucks but no one is invincible and scars build character.</p><p>in short learn to play your class and dont come to the bruiser boards and spout nonsense about how they suck.</p><p>if there are people saying they do well at a class and you seem to be having a hard time I think the problem might lie with the player rather then the class.</p>

[Ashdaren]

<p>I tryed to make an informative post of what seems to be the realty of pvping as a bruiser for those who don't have one yet.</p><p>You are free to not agree with me as long as you argument correctly and without beating down people so you can get a legitimate answer.</p><p>Thank you</p><p>Message Edited by Ashdaren on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:47 PM</span></p>

[Pnaxx]

<div></div>Alot of good points here.

[ganjookie]

<div></div>I do post quite a few nice things. I made a grammatical error in my post here.  I AM ABLE to defeat yellow cons. When I saw yellow cons <font color="#ffff00">I mean other players on Nagafen.  Green and blue Qeynosians are pretty easy, sure they run but you have to time your sprint use, instead of blowing it all at first.  Ranged throwing weapons for your current tier are also good and stopping runaways, as mentioned above.  yellows if solo you have to be more careful, make sure you have a couple of heal pots or cure disease/poison pots too, and use them as soon as you are DoT'dSure playing on a PvE server has helped me know how to play as a bruiser.  I am in NOO way an uber bruiser.  I just read what some of the other top brawlers are doing, and practice on qeynosians and PvE mobs the best I can.BTW dont go out solo</font>[edit: before I get hiton again..I chanegd a lil of my statement in yellow ]<div></div><p>Message Edited by ganjookie on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:59 PM</span></p>

[Durlinn]

<div></div><div></div><p>Sorry, but the OP is way wrong about soloing pvp. I got my slayer title(for the first time) almost completely solo. I can solo most classes 4 to 5 levels higher. Bruisers dont need snare. We've got stuns and knockdowns. If you run, you better run with a lot of health.</p><p> </p><p>EDIT: This is just another disguised whine thread. Get em Ganjookie!</p><p>Message Edited by Durlinn on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:04 PM</span></p>

[ganjookie]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Ashdaren wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>This thread is for all those who are making an other bruiser on pvp server or wish to make one for the <strong>wrong</strong> reasons.</div><div> </div><div>Pvp hunting :</div><ul><li>You will unlikely kill anyone solo. (save for green players, blue can still survive first stun and flee/zone) <font color="#ffff00">Untrue, many bruisers can defeat yellow con opponents; if you play smart. play s-mart</font></li><li>Anyone can escape and there is no snare button, you need to be inventive. <font color="#ffff00">Spot on</font></li></ul><p>Pvp travelling :</p><ul><li>You will unlikely be able to escape from a group of pvpers with at least one snare (save for zone at hand) T<font color="#ffff00">otems can help you escape, but if your solo against a group you sholdnt run. just fight like a man/woman and die with respect</font></li><li>You are an easy target for everyone : you don't see and can't invis nor stealth and you don't have speed buff. <font color="#ffff00">Totems can alleviate this issue as well as some gear will provide you with See Invis.  Also your mouse sensitivity should be pretty high, so when you see that stealher behind you, you can turn around and smack them with a stun/kidney punch/ dmg dmg wtfpwn</font></li></ul><p>Pvp Effectivness :</p><ul><li>You don't have any situationnal dps buff (bruiser is the definition of constant raw power)</li><li>The stun immunity is live (wasn't on most of the time in the pvp beta) so there is no way to lock anyone, period.</li><li>Basicly what worth for a bruiser worth for all class (Lvl, Gear, SKill lvl) you do more damage than other tank, but interupt less than guardian/berserk and self heal less than Paladin/SK <font color="#ffff00">I apologize here; does worth mean works?  We can probably heal more then a Paly over time, as our refresh is alot faster.</font></li></ul><p>Classic Solo pvp scenario :</p><ul><li>You have the upper hand : your target will likely flee/zone</li><li>You're getting owned : you will die unless the other class have no snare or range damage (or you're close to a zone^^)</li></ul><p>Group Pvp :</p><ul><li>You have a chance to taunt while hitting which is really a plus</li><li>You can FD once in a while to mess up (beware of the "target previous target" key) <font color="#ffff00">also FD solo, it still works</font></li></ul><p>False idea on Pvp Bruiser :</p><ul><li>You don't want to pvp solo, no need arguing if you're better than x or y cause you will never see a positive end in a solo pvp fight, you die or your enemie flee or you flee.</li><li>You won't be the more damaging class in the group (the proc fixes nerfed bruiser dps beyond expectation)</li><li>Basicly first line die first, all melee die first in pvp battle or raid pvp battle. <font color="#ffff00">I like to let the Brigands die, cause I envy their hat and healz</font></li><li>The best you can do for your pvp group is to taunt over and over to let your group kill the enemies and your healer heal right.</li><li>A dps machine bruiser in pvp group is exactly the same thing than a Nuking fury in a pvp group, if you can picture that, then you got the whole point. Don't restrict bruiser to dps.</li></ul><p>I do really enjoy my bruiser, but I know what to expect from it in PVP environment, I hope the new comer will do now.</p><p>DISCLAIMER : This little thread is to point out that bruiser are not geared for the hunt. Bruiser are often referred as the uber solo pvp for many not so true reasons. The fact is that we don't go for the solo pvp often and when we do it is not always for the kill.I know many bruiser will argue valid point to overcome our weakness and I also have my share of advice to do better in pvp, all in all bruiser are potent but not in all hands.</p><p>Hope this helps.</p><p>Message Edited by Ashdaren on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:34 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>There was my "nice" 2cp which probably doesnt mean jack to half of you, but since I am bored at work..there ya go</span></div>

[Asdern]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>While i agree with some of the original post there is some that i really have to disagree with. Mostly the abiltiy to get out of a fight. If I am jumped and the odds are against me. FIrst thing i do is run to a group of heroics and use FD just as the enemy engages. It can really turn the battle and you may even get a kill a kill or two in. At the least the enemy is no longer thinking about killing you.</p><p>Also I use totem of the wolf all the time. if you engage and enemy you expect is going to run. don't attack right off. let em run. many will sprint away from ya using up all that power. then engage. same if you are jumped in a fight. FD to get the mob off ya and then let them sprint after you. many times i've turned around after they have used up there power from sprinting only to end up with an easy kill in the end.</p><p>If an enemy runs for the docks and is about at the bell. use fear on em to knock em off the dock. Works really well and can usually disorient an enemy enough to get some more CA's off and finish the fight.</p><p>Mez works great on one on one pvp with an enemy who thinks they are going to win. start out slow with auto attack, unload, then mez while CA's refresh.</p><p>Of course like ALL classes you will do best in pvp in a group. use those mezzes/fear to take a taunting tank out long enough for your group to kill the dps and healers. communicate what you plan on doing so your group knows what to expect.</p><p>Ogin</p><p>Message Edited by Asdern on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:52 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Asdern on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:53 PM</span></p>

[ganjookie]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Asdern wrote:<div></div><p>While i agree with some of the original post there is some that i really have to disagree with. Mostly the abiltiy to get out of a fight. If I am jumped and the odds are against me. FIrst thing i do is run to a group of heroics and use FD just as the enemy engages. It can really turn the battle and you may even get a kill a kill or two in. At the least the enemy is no longer thinking about killing you.</p><font color="#ffff00">^ Best idea EVER in PvP ^</font><p></p><p></p><p>Also I use totem of the wolf all the time. if you engage and enemy you expect is going to run. don't attack right off. let em run. many will sprint away from ya using up all that power. then engage. same if you are jumped in a fight. FD to get the mob off ya and then let them sprint after you. many times i've turned around after they have used up there power from sprinting only to end up with an easy kill in the end.</p><p><font color="#ffff00">^ Second Best idea ^</font></p><p>If an enemy runs for the docks and is about at the bell. use fear on em to knock em off the dock. Works really well and can usually disorient an enemy enough to get some more CA's off and finish the fight.</p><p><font color="#ffff00">^ Third best ^</font></p><p>Mez works great on one on one pvp with an enemy who thinks they are going to win. start out slow with auto attack, unload, then mez while CA's refresh.</p><p><font color="#ffff00"> ^^ classic manuever ^^</font></p><p></p><p>Of course like ALL classes you will do best in pvp in a group. use those mezzes/fear to take a taunting tank out long enough for your group to kill the dps and healers. communicate what you plan on doing so your knows what to exect.</p><hr></blockquote>You have been awarded the Bruiser to bruiser appreciation award.   Which consists of whiskey, some chocolate covered frog legs, and a nice pair of steel balls!</span></div>

[Ashdaren]

<div>You guys don't have to necesserly disagree with me to make a good input. Just because you can FD on heroic in a zone of your lvl doesn't mean you can always escape royally. Also when I say you will unlikely end up killing someone solo, it have nothing to do with the lvl of the guy you re trying to kill, it just have to do with the ability of any cautious player to flee/zone with ease.</div><div> </div><div>As I mentionned in the disclamer there are many ways to overcome our weakness, use your imagination. One can find a good picture of what is a pvp bruiser here and also maybe some advice.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[wayfaerer]

The OP is right about Bruisers not getting kills in 1v1. It's not that Bruisers lose most fights. Quiet the opposite in fact, Bruisers are right at the top of the food chain in 1v1 power. You will win 95% or more of your 1v1 fights, but winning a fight as a Bruiser means your opponant has run away, and more than likely, escaped.This gets slightly less problematic at higher levels with good projectile weapons and STA line achievements.<div></div>

[Samani]

<div></div><p>But thats the point alot of us are making. You CAN get the majority of your kill solo very easily. The majority of people CAN'T run away from you before they are hamburger. It's no where near as easy or simple as sneak/huge damage move/ kite that the scouts do, but i have yet to see a scout that can kill me unless they resist my mezz or snare. Ya that happens but i would get bored if i won every fight.</p><p>The problem some of us have is that a post was made here with very misleading information. It is very easy to search these boards and see that alot of people do very well playing a bruiser. To come on here and post that you personally get owned in 1v1 fights and make it sound like you didnt have a choice in the matter is putting out bad info.</p><p>There was another post on these boards where someone having the same problems as the OP asked "hey for those of you owning as a bruiser how do you deal with X Y and Z situations?" that post got alot of good feedback and It's where i learned how useful mezz then hex snare is.</p><p>Bruisers aren't the gods of pvp and we do get owned alot at times, but like any class skill is the biggest factor. If you having trouble playing your class well then ask some questions, but please dont post info based solely on your own personal experience (disregarding the other info that is readily available) to try and educate the new bruisers out there.</p>

[wheels73]

<div>Bruisers are awesome in PvP. And I solo pvp just fine thanks. Killed 2 even cons solo today. We own. Use your arts wisely and you'll win. Maybe you just need to practice.</div>

[Owa]

<div></div><font size="4">Conjurors though....</font>

[wayfaerer]

Against conjurers just use feign death to break their swarm pets, and devastation fist on their single pets if they are really bothering you. Conjurers die sooo fast if they dont manage to land a root, which is often.<div></div>

[Arciahand]

<div></div><div></div><div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=1712" target="_blank"><span>ganjookie</span></a>, I second your motion, give that man a gold star, great bruser ideas!</div><div> </div><div>OP, you are the worst Bruser... EVER... I have NEVER seen or herd someone that can't get past a classes shortcommings as bad as you post up their issues as a class problem... You do not understand the game apparently, nor do you know how to adapt and over come.   Read the other posts, forums, and ideas before you go and cry about how bad your character is, what is wrong with you? </div><div> </div><div>Can't solo PvP?  You apparently have no experiance at this, yeah, the running is annoying, get your AAs up a bit for your ranged attack, use your stuns, wolf totems, what ever, but don't go and tell every new player that Brusers suck at PvP because you can't figure out how to play one.</div><div> </div><div>We are the best tank PvP in a group hands down.  Hard to hit, so CAs don't land as much, Interupting taunt, self healing, with great DPS...  Stuns, FD, what more do you want?  OOOOoo you need to run... sorry, Ok, yeah we don't have an Evac nor do we get a speed buff like a bard type...  If you want run from every fight go roll a scout.  (no offence to my SK, Zerker, and Guardian bretherin, but I think we have a hand up on you guys in PvP via our avoidance)</div><div> </div><div>In short, go cry someplace else, go back to a carebear server, play WoW.  We... "I" don't want your kind here.</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Arciahand on <span class="date_text">03-30-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:12 AM</span></p>

[Owa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Arciahand wrote:<div></div><div></div><div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=1712" target="_blank"><span>ganjookie</span></a>, I second your motion, give that man a gold star, great bruser ideas!</div><div> </div><div>OP, you are the worst Bruser... EVER... I have NEVER seen or herd someone that can't get past a classes shortcommings as bad as you post up their issues as a class problem... You do not understand the game apparently, nor do you know how to adapt and over come.   Read the other posts, forums, and ideas before you go and cry about how bad your character is, what is wrong with you? </div><div> </div><div>Can't solo PvP?  You apparently have no experiance at this, yeah, the running is annoying, get your AAs up a bit for your ranged attack, use your stuns, wolf totems, what ever, but don't go and tell every new player that Brusers suck at PvP because you can't figure out how to play one.</div><div> </div><div>We are the best tank PvP in a group hands down.  Hard to hit, so CAs don't land as much, Interupting taunt, self healing, with great DPS...  Stuns, FD, what more do you want?  OOOOoo you need to run... sorry, Ok, yeah we don't have an Evac nor do we get a speed buff like a bard type...  If you want run from every fight go roll a scout.  (no offence to my SK, Zerker, and Guardian bretherin, but I think we have a hand up on you guys in PvP via our avoidance)</div><div> </div><div>In short, go cry someplace else, go back to a carebear server, play WoW.  We... "I" don't want your kind here.</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Arciahand on <span class="date_text">03-30-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:12 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p><font size="4">So you not wanting his 'kind' here,  means what, exactly? That you think he should be forbidden to express his views entirely - no matter how they may converge with those of other people - merely because they diverge from your own? Or that he should be allowed to write only on forums approved by yourself? Or that he should be prevented from actually even <em>playing</em> on a PvP server, as he doesn't hold the 'right' opinions? </font></p><p><font size="4">If we're able to specify whose 'type we want' round here, frankly I'll take the OP's effort over your own. I might not agree with all his points but at least he's a seeking to make a cogent contribution. What's your contribution? Calling people names and having a  tentative grasp of writing and thinking is not a contribution, by the way. </font></p><p><font size="4">If it were up to me the boards would be off limits to children, idiots, and people who write in the style of either. It's not up to me though - and it's not up to you either. Rather than ranting about who should or should not be allowed to post, perhaps you should just be thankful that pretty much anyone is allowed to post pretty much anything - as your own literary efforts surely prove.</font></p><p>OTBBFIPCPS1987</p>

[Owa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>wayfaerer wrote:Against conjurers just use feign death to break their swarm pets, and devastation fist on their single pets if they are really bothering you. Conjurers die sooo fast if they dont manage to land a root, which is often.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p><font size="4">Still waiting for my first Devastation Fist to land in PvP...:smileysad:</font></p><p><font size="3">OTBBFIPCPS1987</font></p>

[Pnaxx]

<div></div><p>Archiahand.....you need to step away from the computer, take deep breath, go to that place called a gym down the street and work ou a bit, then come back and RELAX!!!:smileywink:</p><p>Those comments of yours were tottally uncalled for. This is the place to share one's opinions. Was the Op wrong...looks like it, but cut them some freakin slack man.</p><p>edit....4get about the gym and go to the corner bar!:smileyvery-happy:</p>

[host1l31]

Just wanted to add that after getting sonic fist last night pvp has changed alot. This skill is so useful, its great for finishing off runners or getting that crucial interupt that a caster is trying to land. I havent been able to test its effectiveness with mantis leap, but I would guess that it will be a nasty combo. Oh ya and for all you that are wondering about devastation fist. It only works on pets and will take 75% of its health. I have been able to get it to land on orange con but it  typically misses. Anyways gl kicking some Q [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out there.<div></div>

[Radigazt]

<div></div><div></div><div>Actually I think the OP has made a great post.  It encapsulates most of the strengths and weaknesses of the class, as well as the many outdated imperceptions that linger from pre-PvP days from duels and PvP-Beta.  I have a couple of other points to add though. </div><div> </div><p>"Basicly first line die first, all melee die first in pvp battle or raid pvp battle."                       <font color="#ffff00">My experience has been that Healers are the first targeted, followed by Casters, then Tanks.  Scouts' use of Evac, combined with their chain armor tend to get them targeted after Bruisers.</font></p><div><ul></ul></div><p>Also, the OP should split out the fact that people attack largely on looks, so the leather armor wearing classes don't look like Tanks, which IMHO, is why Bruisers tend to get targeted before plate tanks.  We sometimes look like healers or casters.  I've noticed when a Bruiser is wearing a Gi instead of a normal leather chest piece that he gets attacked much later in the PvP, because they recognize that he's a tank and a harder kill. </p><p>But IMHO, one major drawback Bruisers have is their very pronounced lack of range attacks.  So, with virtually all of our stun/fear attacks and heavy damage attacks being mele ... the running/mele-range combat art bug really really hurts Bruisers, and is one of the main reasons Bruisers have difficulties finishing fights.  (NOTE:  This is the latency related issue that prevents mele Combat Arts from firing when you are visually on top of your foe, yet somehow allows auto-attacks to continue.  This means that once your foe starts to run, you need superior speed and guesswork predicting where the foe is headed to get ahead of him to use any Combat Arts ... or get a non-Bruiser to snare, root, fear, mez, etc. until you catch up).</p><div>All in all, I'd say this is a great post.  Anyone who feels the need to bash the OP sounds kinda biased IMHO.  Nobody is saying that an awesome player cannot overcome a drawback, or that a bad player cannot waste an advantage .... but these are the issues.  If you play a Bruiser much in PvP, it's pretty clear that these are the issues, and that the OP laid them out quite objectively.  Sure, we may disagree as to frequency or intensity, and we may have differing opinions around the edges, but the OP really nailed Bruisers and how they perform in PvP. </div><p>Message Edited by Radigazt on <span class="date_text">03-30-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:40 AM</span></p>

[Owa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>host1l31 wrote:Just wanted to add that after getting <font color="#ffff00">sonic fist</font> last night pvp has changed alot. This skill is so useful, its great for finishing off runners or getting that crucial interupt that a caster is trying to land. I havent been able to test its effectiveness with mantis leap, but I would guess that it will be a nasty combo. Oh ya and for all you that are wondering about devastation fist. It only works on pets and will take 75% of its health. I have been able to get it to land on orange con but it  typically misses. Anyways gl kicking some Q [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out there.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p><font size="4">Aha! Glad to see that spell is good for something other than freaking other party members out...:smileyvery-happy:</font></p>

[host1l31]

<span><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>host1l31 wrote:Just wanted to add that after getting <font color="#ffff00">sonic fist</font> last night pvp has changed alot. This skill is so useful, its great for finishing off runners or getting that crucial interupt that a caster is trying to land. I havent been able to test its effectiveness with mantis leap, but I would guess that it will be a nasty combo. Oh ya and for all you that are wondering about devastation fist. It only works on pets and will take 75% of its health. I have been able to get it to land on orange con but it  typically misses. Anyways gl kicking some Q [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out there.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p><font size="4">Aha! Glad to see that spell is good for something other than freaking other party members out...:smileyvery-happy:</font></p><hr></blockquote>Strange thing is it seems to bug me and make me invisible to my party members. Dont know if that bug happens in pvp, but if so you could take down a raid single handidly.</span><div></div>

[Ashdaren]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Arciahand wrote:<div></div><div></div><div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=1712" target="_blank"><span>ganjookie</span></a>, I second your motion, give that man a gold star, great bruser ideas!</div><div> </div><div>OP, you are the worst Bruser... EVER... I have NEVER seen or herd someone that can't get past a classes shortcommings as bad as you post up their issues as a class problem... You do not understand the game apparently, nor do you know how to adapt and over come.   Read the other posts, forums, and ideas before you go and cry about how bad your character is, what is wrong with you? </div><div> </div><div>Can't solo PvP?  You apparently have no experiance at this, yeah, the running is annoying, get your AAs up a bit for your ranged attack, use your stuns, wolf totems, what ever, but don't go and tell every new player that Brusers suck at PvP because you can't figure out how to play one.</div><div> </div><div>We are the best tank PvP in a group hands down.  Hard to hit, so CAs don't land as much, Interupting taunt, self healing, with great DPS...  Stuns, FD, what more do you want?  OOOOoo you need to run... sorry, Ok, yeah we don't have an Evac nor do we get a speed buff like a bard type...  If you want run from every fight go roll a scout.  (no offence to my SK, Zerker, and Guardian bretherin, but I think we have a hand up on you guys in PvP via our avoidance)</div><div> </div><div>In short, go cry someplace else, go back to a carebear server, play WoW.  We... "I" don't want your kind here.</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Arciahand on <span class="date_text">03-30-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:12 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Well I'm sorry I didn't got the in and out of my class as one of the first bruiser on Storms, I was doing so horribly you have no idea. Getting to lvl 50 and 60 in less than a few month was a nightmare as I couldn't adapt as fast as you seems to do with your lvl 39 bruiser. Though thank you for teaching me now.</p><p>My pvp experience is also quite futile, playing since server opening on Rallos zek in EQ1 didn't really teached me anything beside matching buttons with my bard. Also trying all the class in the pvp beta of EQ2 from lvl 50 to 60 (exept some healers) confused me so much that I had no idea of what class are really about.</p><p>Finally I got the crazy idea to post on this forum to uncover the weakness of the bruiser so some new players could know what they would have to overcome while not only focusing on some outdated duel data. Playing a bard on EQ1 or a bruiser on EQ2 always seemed to be very similar to me since day one, the mezz, the fear, the running cast, so many ways to play and to master the character... confusing to say the least.</p><p>Ok, now I will go back harvesting (I love that part), but please in the meantime continue posting more post like this one, it is so hilarious <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p> </p>