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Cornbread Muffin
03-16-2006, 10:43 PM
<div><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=34689">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=34689</a></div><div> </div><div>Interesting results - 84% avoidance with Guardian mitigation? Sign me up. Curiously, I looked at the sticky post on the Guardian forum to see what that AA line did and nothing seems to warrant that type of change, though I could be overlooking something.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

Shankonia
03-16-2006, 11:03 PM
<div></div>Wow.  Wonder how much better those SS would look if he had our avoidance buff on him. 

Danter
03-16-2006, 11:32 PM
<div></div><p>I think that's only vs solo mobs and only for the frontal arc, so if they pulled a group of 4 linked no arrow mobs, they'd beaten on normally.  I'd be curious to see the results verse a ^^^ mob.  I don't see a problem with it, Guards need all the help they can soloing.</p><p>What bothers me is all the gear plate classes that's 100+ crush/slash/pierce on top of the huge mitigation and the lack of those stats for leather.</p><p>-Kald, 70 Bruiser Permafrost</p>

Cornbread Muffin
03-17-2006, 12:07 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Danterus wrote:<div></div><p>I think that's only vs solo mobs and only for the frontal arc, so if they pulled a group of 4 linked no arrow mobs, they'd beaten on normally.  I'd be curious to see the results verse a ^^^ mob.  I don't see a problem with it, Guards need all the help they can soloing.</p><hr></blockquote><p>From the linked post: "With STA line i can take a 67^^^ with just mystic buffs and no heals with STA line."</p><p>He does mention it is frontal arc only, but if you stick to ^^^ mobs in groups (and of course vs. epics) it isn't a big deal. What I am curious about is how he is getting 34% avoidance off a buckler. I just can't find anything in the AA lists that would seem to give such a huge bonus. Of course, the lists I am looking at could be out of date (stickied "Warrior AA" post on the Guardian forum)</p>

Ashdaren
03-17-2006, 12:51 AM
<div></div>Warriors with 84% avoidance ^^ looks like bugged to me, period

PhozFa
03-17-2006, 12:56 AM
<span><blockquote><hr>Ashdaren wrote:<div></div>Warriors with 84% avoidance ^^ looks like bugged to me, period<hr></blockquote>If that is right thats not right. That would be more powerful then if we got to keep Spirit line and Skin line mit buffs on 100% of the time with no side effects</span><div></div>

MakhailSamma
03-17-2006, 01:07 AM
<div>Its almost like they WANT nerfed again...</div>

Cornbread Muffin
03-17-2006, 01:35 AM
<div></div>lol, yeah...I have to say if I managed to get a guardian's mitigation through some trick of our AAs I sure as hell wouldn't be posting screenshots. :smileyvery-happy:

familyguyfan95
03-17-2006, 05:34 AM
<div>Well I fought in the arena just yesterday with a guardian with that much avoidance.....and boy does it mean that much avoidance</div><div> </div><div>I couldnt hit his [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] at all.  Nobody could</div><div> </div><div>But thats ok....cause when we realized that he couldnt be brougth down....we just picked on his friends. </div><div> </div><div>84% avoidance...49 dollars. </div><div> </div><div>Bringing down mages in 3 hits...priceless.  For anything needing a good beat down...just use your bruiser mastercard...good in most places around the word.</div>

DarkMirrax
03-17-2006, 05:02 PM
<div></div>Well thats just plain BS , broken beyond a doubt .. hey i know lets have there mit instead and ill be happy :smileyhappy:

PhozFa
03-17-2006, 08:21 PM
its great guards are back on top, they can reach our avoidance throu AAs but we don't have a single mit AA. Not only that but in beta we did and it was taken away. Soe rocks<div></div>

DarkMirrax
03-17-2006, 09:49 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>PhozFate wrote:its great guards are back on top, they can reach our avoidance throu AAs but we don't have a single mit AA. Not only that but in beta we did and it was taken away. Soe rocks<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yup Give us our MIT AA back PLSSSSSSSS

DarkMirrax
03-18-2006, 12:23 AM
<div></div><p>Yup and now they have locked the thread by request of the original poster , like that solves anything</p><p> </p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=34689&view=by_date_ascending&page=1">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=34689&view=by_date_ascending&page=1</a></p><p> </p><p>Though i bet that guys have about a gazillion messages telling him to shut the hell up rofl !</p>

Meinen
03-18-2006, 01:13 AM
<div>bruisers are way to powerful....brb with some screenshots. </div>

ganjookie
03-18-2006, 01:15 AM
Bruisers are not, we just know how to play the game whereas Guards seem to think they are uber metal gods of rock with thier armor<div></div>

ShinmaRyche
03-18-2006, 01:21 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>kiked wrote:<div>bruisers are way to powerful....brb with some screenshots. </div><hr></blockquote><font color="#ffff00">Be sure you pick the best Bruisers, from the highest of raiding guilds. :smileysurprised:</font>

Meinen
03-18-2006, 01:21 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>DarkMirrax wrote:<div></div><p>Yup and now they have locked the thread by request of the original poster , like that solves anything</p><p> </p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=34689&view=by_date_ascending&page=1">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=34689&view=by_date_ascending&page=1</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Though i bet that guys have about a gazillion messages telling him to shut the hell up rofl !</strong></p><hr></blockquote><p>i already stated that i was, that wasn't the reason i had the thread locked. </p><p>and yes you are powerful, but i wouldn't want it any other way, cause you guys are great to have in a fight.  there is a monk that i group with all the time and i wouldn't think of doing anything that would get him nerfed, i like them the way they are.  Can't tell you how many times he has saved my [Removed for Content] and everyone elses. </p>

Meinen
03-18-2006, 01:22 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>ShinmaRyche wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>kiked wrote:<div>bruisers are way to powerful....brb with some screenshots. </div><hr></blockquote><font color="#ffff00">Be sure you pick the best Bruisers, from the highest of raiding guilds. :smileysurprised:</font><hr></blockquote>nah, i have done enough dmg to my own class...i will leave you guys alone.  lol

Cornbread Muffin
03-18-2006, 03:08 AM
<div>No, please do post the screenshots of the insane stats and dps noted in your post on the Guardian forum. I believe they were in reference to Bruisers, but if they are in reference to Monks that works, too.</div><div> </div><div>I'm personally not afraid of the damage because I don't think the statistics you posted can be achieved through a fight. Please be sure your screens include the effects window - would hate to find out those numbers are inflated by things like porcupine.</div>

DarkMirrax
03-18-2006, 02:45 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>kiked wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>ShinmaRyche wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>kiked wrote:<div>bruisers are way to powerful....brb with some screenshots. </div><hr></blockquote><font color="#ffff00">Be sure you pick the best Bruisers, from the highest of raiding guilds. :smileysurprised:</font><hr></blockquote>nah, i have done enough dmg to my own class...i will leave you guys alone.  lol<hr></blockquote><p>We arnt Calling for a nurf , its just so oviously broken atm so enjoy it :smileyvery-happy: tbh even if you hadnt have posted about it , it would have still shown up mate so you've done nothing wrong you were just proving a point which i respect.  BTW its not just guards that are exeperienceing this ...</p><p>It just drives me nuts when everyone posts about how uber we all are .. the grass isnt greener on the other side , yea we get some solid dps (or at least we did atm my lvl 30 swashies owns my brusier dps) and we can tank ok sure but the ranger nurf hit us and it hurt :smileysad:  Since then rangers have has all there CAS upgraded etc etc and us overlooked atm but hey i can wait.</p><p>People like that guardian posting that we out dps T1 is which annoys me , people are so full of crap sometimes..... i know lets take a raid of 23 brusiers and one defiler as we are so uber dps everyhthing would be dead in 2 seconds ... actually why bother with the healer we are gods and can do x4 raids solo</p><p>/sarcasm off</p><p> </p><p> </p>

Gladesman
03-20-2006, 03:33 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>DarkMirrax wrote:<div></div><blockquote>i know lets take a raid of 23 brusiers and one defiler as we are so uber dps everyhthing would be dead in 2 seconds ... actually why bother with the healer we are gods and can do x4 raids solo</blockquote><hr></blockquote><div><font size="2" face="Verdana">Yeah, let's go for it!! :smileywink: </font></div><div><font size="2" face="Verdana"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Verdana">I would actually like an AA line that would significantly increase my mit btw. But I am kind of leaning towards the critical hits / +DPS lines as well.. hmm.</font></div>

PhozFa
03-20-2006, 04:51 PM
<span><blockquote><hr>kiked wrote:<div>bruisers are way to powerful....brb with some screenshots. </div><hr></blockquote>Wheres the screen shots? If he does come back with then they'll pry be of a lucky steak like us avoiding 5 hits in a row but won't show how much we get hit for when the next few land.</span><div></div>

DarkMirrax
03-20-2006, 07:51 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>PhozFate wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>kiked wrote:<div>bruisers are way to powerful....brb with some screenshots. </div><hr></blockquote>Wheres the screen shots? If he does come back with then they'll pry be of a lucky steak like us avoiding 5 hits in a row but won't show how much we get hit for when the next few land.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Cmon phoz u know how long its gonna take him to get perfect screenies of us being uber ? a lifetime lol