Are we missing an epic stun?

[Ar]

Seems to me we had 2 stuns that landed on epics not long ago, Im I mistaken and if not, since when was it changed?Stump still does the 2 sec stun on epics but the back attack like may have changed?<div></div>

[Danter]

<div></div><p>Kidney punch line got nerfed, but I don't think it was ever intended to hit epics.</p><p>Callous Stomp doesn't really effect epics either, because there's no way (at least that I know of anymore) to knock epics down, so it'll never knock them down either.</p><p>-Kald, 65 Bruiser Permafrost</p>

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>Stomp always worked without using Kidney Punch.Just didn't hit as often, but it did work. Dealt less damg but worked.

[Ar]

<div></div>Stomp still does not exclude epic targets, however Kidney Punch now does.Knockback is a much lesser concern to me as the actual ability to stop damage received by a MT on an epic encounter.On any heroic encounter the question does not apply, as 4 different CAs can be applied to give more time for healers to patch up whoever is tanking when we are in DPS mode. 3 CAs when we are tanking ourselves.To me 2 epic stuns, specialy the 4 sec of Kidney Punch, was a good appeal to our class being present on any raid,With the recent change to Knockout Combination wich does not allow us to engage more mobs when our 2 Aes were down (you could technicaly use Oppress + Knockout Combination to force an additional encounter on yourself in an Add situation, without using AEs, wich are often already burned down), I think these 2 "readjustments" are reducing our polyvalence.Group encounters were hard enough to control and tank already, IMO.The appeal of the class being diversity in my book, I dont like what I'm seing.Deadstone, 70/17 Bruiser, Mistmoore***Edited to make more sense*** To me anyway <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Arlo on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:01 PM</span></p>