Bruiser..... pfft

[Risker]

<div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Hello Brusiers.  </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">I'm a lvl 55 brusier on the splitpaw server who is equipped with master spells from 20-55 and have at least legendary gear. </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">A week ago I was able to solo Syphon in the sinking sands with ease (providing I was smart with stuns, and correctly timed my attacks.)  Now I am a lvl higher and again went to challenge the spider; this time he is impossible to beat. </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Now this is not just down to a change in procs, there must be another nerf somewhere because how the heck I'm unable to even bring him down to 3/4 health before being totally smashed to pieces!</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">What the hell is going on?  Why was there any need to change our procs just because the rangers and assassins were getting a good deal ???</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">I'm so annoyed at the amount of effort I have put into this character for it all to be taken away from me in a heartbeat.   </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">I CANNOT hold aggro on anything more than a green.....  I am cut to peices even with a good group when I'm fighting.... </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Can someone please tell me the role which we are suppose to be filling ??? </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">It certainly isn't DPS, tanking or utilty... so what is it ??</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Anyone else that says we haven't been nerfed is obviously doing something majorly different to me....</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Right now my sub is cancelled and I just re-activated my WoW account, prehaps the grass is greener.</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div>

[DarkMirrax]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Risker wrote:<div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Hello Brusiers.  </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">I'm a lvl 55 brusier on the splitpaw server who is equipped with master spells from 20-55 and have at least legendary gear. </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">A week ago I was able to solo Syphon in the sinking sands with ease (providing I was smart with stuns, and correctly timed my attacks.)  Now I am a lvl higher and again went to challenge the spider; this time he is impossible to beat. </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">All mobs have had a major overhaul , probally a knock-on effect from KoS Patching , Maybe intentional maybe non-intentional we have yet to hear anything on this from the devs.</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Now this is not just down to a change in procs, there must be another nerf somewhere because how the heck I'm unable to even bring him down to 3/4 health before being totally smashed to pieces!</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">/Agree though i am noticing a lot of mobs parrying a lot more aswell , somethings not quite right </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">What the hell is going on?  Why was there any need to change our procs just because the rangers and assassins were getting a good deal ???</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">/No need but devs couldnt be bothered with just concentrating on the rangers so they nurfed procs in whole instead , why ? who knows only the devs do .. though they hit a lot of classes by doing this All scout line and Us but /shrug who cares cos i can wear a GI right ??? *joke*</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">I'm so annoyed at the amount of effort I have put into this character for it all to be taken away from me in a heartbeat.   </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">/The Upgrade is less than a week old , a whole load of issues need fixing just like when dof was launched .. they will get it right in time</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">I CANNOT hold aggro on anything more than a green.....  I am cut to peices even with a good group when I'm fighting.... </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">/huh ? can i ask what are you fighting ? i've been tanking in a high 50's group over on the Little Drakes (Yellow 62 ^^^'s no problem at all with practically no downtime and no problem holding aggro ? Granted the lvl 64 Mobs in Sanctum Dished it to me but then they are Practically nearly red to me :smileyvery-happy:</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Can someone please tell me the role which we are suppose to be filling ??? </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">/Group XP tank /MA at best on raids (MT if your Gaige, Crab or Phay :smileyvery-happy<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> we really do excel in Grind groups</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">It certainly isn't DPS, tanking or utilty... so what is it ??</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">/See above </font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Anyone else that says we haven't been nerfed is obviously doing something majorly different to me....</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc00ff">Right now my sub is cancelled and I just re-activated my WoW account, prehaps the grass is greener.</font></div><div><font color="#cc00ff"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">/Im on Paw server too ;p Give me a shout sometime before going back to that kak game!!!!! Oh and KoS rules </font></div><hr></blockquote>Its aint us , all classes are reporting the same

[DarkMirrax]

<div></div>Though i would say the only problem i get at the moment is getting the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] server up running :smileyvery-happy:

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>All classes are weaker.  All mobs are tougher.

[Pheeb]

The loosing aggro part is annoying - I played  a 58 SK and I have to say that at lvl 21 with a bruiser it is much higher to hold aggro with multiple encounters but youys knew that...I MT heroic fallen crusaders yesterday and I out of 3 I was loosing aggro to some brigand or even inquis and am new to the plate class - granted lvl 21 is still noob'ish but am playing the class very carefully and reading as much info as I can get on the bruiser class...I had upgraded my 2 taunts to App 4 or adept 1...What I noticed is that "orange" con mobs have getting a lot tougher - I can't beat an orange one even if I try hard multiple times but I can kill everytime yellow oneseverytime...I agree orange ones should be tough but I don't even come close to beating one - I cain my CA's and make use of stuns very carefully...I have legendary gear for every slot mostly and good stats for my level...I know we're not plate tanks and what I have observed is probably expected - I guess I have too high of expectations from playing my SK previously....I love playing a bruiser and am not giving up...Am not asking for feedback as I suppose what am experiencing is expected...<div></div>

[ganjookie]

^^ What are your taunts?  App2 or Adepts?<div></div>

[Dannd]

<div></div><p>I have no problem keeping aggro when playing MT.  I have no problem holding aggro on group encounters as well.</p><p>Upgrade your taunts to at least Adept I-III.</p><p>When engaging in group encounters, I do the following:</p><p>Open with Pressure.  Savage Blows.  Boast.  Bone Crusher.</p><p>Start HO.  Barb Stomp, then Pressure. </p><p>I dont have a problem keeping aggro using this set up.  I even hold aggro with a Adept III Necro pet in the group slashing away.</p><p>With solo heroric encounters, I do the following:</p><p>Sonic Fists (the teleporting spell, I'm at work and can't remember the name).  Then launch with Crushing Fury.  Once mob reaches me, I start HO and use Pound, then Pressure.</p><p>I just tell my group mates from the get go to allow me to chain my HOs as much as possible to help me maintain aggro 99% of the time.  Grind groups are fast and furious with me at the helm.  /tooting_horn_off  :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[DarkMirrax]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Danndak wrote:<div></div><p>I have no problem keeping aggro when playing MT.  I have no problem holding aggro on group encounters as well.</p><p>Upgrade your taunts to at least Adept I-III.</p><p>When engaging in group encounters, I do the following:</p><p><font size="5" color="#ffff00">Open with Pressure.  Savage Blows.  Boast.  Bone Crusher.</font></p><p><font size="5"><font color="#ffff00">Start HO.  Barb Stomp, then Pressure.</font> </font></p><p>I dont have a problem keeping aggro using this set up.  I even hold aggro with a Adept III Necro pet in the group slashing away.</p><p>With solo heroric encounters, I do the following:</p><p><font size="5" color="#ffff00">Sonic Fists (the teleporting spell, I'm at work and can't remember the name).  Then launch with Crushing Fury.  Once mob reaches me, I start HO and use Pound, then Pressure.</font></p><p>I just tell my group mates from the get go to allow me to chain my HOs as much as possible to help me maintain aggro 99% of the time.  Grind groups are fast and furious with me at the helm.  /tooting_horn_off  :smileyvery-happy:</p><hr></blockquote>Same

[Cornbread Muffin]

<div>About agro:</div><div> </div><div>Anyone else notice that on certain grouped mobs if you kill one of the mobs the entire hate list resets for the rest and they just go bonkers?</div><div> </div><div>And I don't mean the occassional mob here and there, it was certain mobs in certain places. We first ran into it when I was on my ranger alt in Runnyeye - grouped goblins were fine, but any time we fought grouped minos they would break agro every<strong> </strong>time without fail when one of them died. Later, we ran into this fighting grouped orcs in clefts, and again fighting grouped aviaks in KOS.</div><div> </div><div>Wierd, huh?</div>

[DarkMirrax]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cornbread Muffin wrote:<div>About agro:</div><div> </div><div>Anyone else notice that on certain grouped mobs if you kill one of the mobs the entire hate list resets for the rest and they just go bonkers?</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ffff00">/For Sure definatly happens , try raids :smileyvery-happy:</font></div><div> </div><div>And I don't mean the occassional mob here and there, it was certain mobs in certain places. We first ran into it when I was on my ranger alt in Runnyeye - grouped goblins were fine, but any time we fought grouped minos they would break agro every<strong> </strong>time without fail when one of them died. Later, we ran into this fighting grouped orcs in clefts, and again fighting grouped aviaks in KOS.</div><div> </div><div>Wierd, huh?</div><hr></blockquote>

[IPCDoll]

<div></div><p>I am going to have to agree with the original poster on all counts.  I am getting thrashed by green heroics while grouped and I question whether my minimal mitigation is even being considered.  As a 59 Bruiser I feel significantly impaired in tanking up to yellows since LU20.  Beyond yellow was always questionable and I simply wouldnt try it now.  As for agro, well taunting as often as up with master and adept iii, I am losing it to pallies.  You heard me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I am hoping for some bad math in the avoidance and mitigation calculations.  I can live with doing slightly less damage but having to go full defensive on 7 level lower green heroics and still taking a whooping is just sickening.</p><p>Crossing my fingers for a quick fix....</p><p> </p>

[Fromingo]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div></div>All classes are weaker.  All mobs are tougher.<hr></blockquote><p>Yes well before I could solo green heroic ^^^ named and blue ^^^ heroic regular content.  I watched lvl 60 casters solo up to lvl 68 (i.e.red) named ^^^ heroic mobs.   Now the same green named I killed before wipes me while I bet those casters can still take at least white if not yellow named content.  Now I don't mind if casters can solo red heroic named, more power to them as long as they don't grief me or I get nerfed because of their uberness.  The latter happened.   It was the last straw for me.</p><p> </p><p>Oh and BTW I think ANY class that has full legendary/fabled gear/spells should be able to solo green heroic named and blue heroic regular content.   What's the point of striving to excel if you don't excel?</p><p>Message Edited by Fromingo on <span class="date_text">02-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:05 PM</span></p>

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fromingo wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div></div>All classes are weaker.  All mobs are tougher.<hr></blockquote><p>I watched lvl 60 casters solo up to lvl 68 (i.e.red) named ^^^ heroic mobs. </p><hr></blockquote>That is a lie.  Unless you are openly admitting to watching someone use an exploit to their advantage.Lol.

[Rrawl]

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[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>Rrawl your sig owns.

[TheSummoned]

I can still solo yellow content. I can still hold aggro good (not as good as before where the mob was literally cuffed on me).But! The proc nerfs did hit me and I feel it.And I agree with Colossal, Rrawl your sig is cool. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Fromingo]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fromingo wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div></div>All classes are weaker.  All mobs are tougher.<hr></blockquote><p>I watched lvl 60 casters solo up to lvl 68 (i.e.red) named ^^^ heroic mobs. </p><hr></blockquote>That is a lie.  Unless you are openly admitting to watching someone use an exploit to their advantage.Lol.<hr></blockquote>I don't see how root & snares are an exploit.  Caster roots mob,  caster snares mob,  caster nukes mob until root breaks,  rinse & repeat until mob dead.  Only the occassional snare resist caused the caster to /break and run.    If snares landed the mob died,  that simple.  Now after this bug/nerf the same caster can probably no longer solo the same mob at the same levels however that caster probably can still solo yellow/white heroic ^^^ named just fine which is cool with me as long as I can still solo my green ^^^ heroic named and regular blue ^^^ heroics that's all I ask heh.   Oh and lets not toss out ignorant statements like "That is a lie",  you already look foolish enough today after reading your pearls of wisdom in the PVP thread.  :smileywink: