Do bruisers feel somewhat weaker?

[nanlee]

<div></div><div></div><div>Just wondering if its me, or what you guys think?I dont post on the forums, cause i really dont have much to say, but i read them daily, and just want to send a quick thanks to phay, crab lizardling and jez as thier info has helped me tons.That being said ive played my bruiser from day one, and thru it all ive loved him, but after the new expansion he just feels somewhat slow and weak.My wife has a 60 monk and i played her, and honestly shes ripping thru mobs ALOT faster then my bruiser now, as far as gear goes i think i have one piece of fabled but the rest is tier 6 legendary, and my spells are either master or adept 3.Just wanted to know what you guys thought or if it was just me.Thanks in advance.</div><p>Message Edited by nanlee on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:44 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by nanlee on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:46 AM</span></p>

[Danter]

<div></div><div>2 reasons in my opinion.</div><div> </div><div>1)  KoS mobs hit hard and are tougher than DoF mobs.  Tried to tank a Tremblar thing in Barren Sky, he was 64 ^^^ non named mob so was still yellow, and he was hitting me for like 2k damage without crits.  Also, with no AAs to boost mitigation, I don't really see how we'll be effective tanks at 70.  The mobs damage are going up way faster than our HP.  This really needs to get looked into soon.</div><div> </div><div>2)  The proc change hit us hard.  Not as hard as Rangers, but we were second in line.  Pre LU 20, procs did a lot of damage, like 15-25% per battle.  The reason for this is because unlike our fellow brethren Monks, we have Engulf and Quarrel.  So when you combine the proc formula taking into effect .5s casting CAs and the removal of multi-hit CAs to cause multiple procs, we do like 15-25% less damage than before.</div><div> </div><div>-Kald, 60 Bruiser Permafrost</div>

[BrainMu]

Definitely  weaker ... due to lag in the new zones i have been hunting in DoF zones and am having a hard time killing the mobs that i grinded on to get to 60 pre KoS.Our Offensive stance seems next to useless now that it well... never procs, i would be much happier if they changed the proc to +dps or something instead.It was a let down being excited about the new expansion then getting my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] handed to me in the old one..... feeling kinda gimped<div></div>

[Breiya]

quite a bit weaker imo...which really bums me out because I was loving my bruiser soooo much <span>:smileysad:</span>  last night I was trying to kill the same mobs that I was killing pre-patch...and I haven't leveled or changed any spells or gear, so everything would basically be the same except for whatever changed in the patch....and I was still able to kill them, however, nowhere near as fast.  I also noticed I'm taking a lot more dmg than I used to pre-patch.  I'm not giving up on my bruiser yet cause I used to love playing her and hopefully I can adjust to all these icky changes so that I can continue to have fun.<div></div>

[Beyond-Postal20]

<div></div>I noticed it myself, I just dont unleash the beating like I did before the patch... Last two patches we got hammered...

[Gladesman]

<div></div><div></div><p><font size="2" face="Verdana">Definitely weaker than before.. missing the procs is very noticable in normal combat!!</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Verdana">But I guess I kind of saw these tweaks (nerf if you will) coming already; compared to the other tanks/fighters brawlers were a bit (if not a lot) overpowered imho..</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Verdana">I don't play my guardian anymore and still love my bruiser (ding 55 tonight! And I can still solo ^^^ heroics a level or 2 below me, something my guardian can only dream of <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ), but this latest patch is a bit of a bummer indeed :smileyindifferent:</font></p><p><font size="1" face="Verdana">edit: hehe, just realised I had the nerf thing in my sig already!</font></p><p>Message Edited by Gladesman on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:16 AM</span></p>

[mrstork]

I havent really noticed it. Was taking down lvl 63 ^^^ at lvl 58 duo with a 58 fury using offensive stance. Hairy at times and reasonably long fights, slow hex was just wearing off as we killed it. 62 ^^^ mobs were a piece of cake as they were yellow, never came close to dying. As for DPS, havent noticed it a whole lot, if we are killing slower its a few seconds nothing major but I spend most of my time in half way stance so procs werent that much of a factor pre KoS. Quarrel still seems to proc pretty often. My gear is mostly legendary.<div></div>

[Owa]

<div></div><p><font size="4">I've noticed it alright. I've lost a bunch of attack stats and my DPS is sorry. I got completely [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed by a blue ^^^ in KoS which came as a nasty shock. But the most disappointing thing was when I duelled a Zerker that I always - always -  used to destroy in less than 5 seconds and he beat me extremely easily three times in a row. Embarrassing.</font></p><p><font size="4">I'm off to play my new Bruiser on PvP Venekor 'til SoE fix this. </font></p>

[Vrnogracan]

just adding my voice to the postdefinately feels a lot weaker and slower when it comes to killing mobswill stick it out to 70 in the hope that SOE fix itKladuscan61 BruiserRunnyeye

[MakhailSamma]

<div> I have noticed I am a little weaker, though its not effecting my gameplay at all. I duo often with a Defiler, and the two of us were still killing Orange ^^^ Heroics with little risk (though a bit of downtime). Basicly, I lost the chance to proc on multi hits and was already using duelwield weapons (as thats all SOE wants to give me) so my proc rate on CA's and such are the same. I don't play with chance much anyways, so losing a "chance" to proc means little to me.</div><div> </div><div> Last night went into the Cave of Knowledge just to see what I could do, and was still able to burn down the lvl 60 ^^^ I was killing before. No reason to get upset imho.</div>

[Deeds]

<div></div><p>Yes we are weaker, but it seems so is every one else.</p><p>We raided Gates yesterday and even though half the raid was lvl 62, <strong>EVERYONE'S (casters, scouts, fighters)</strong> <strong>dps was down about 20-30%</strong> and the named mobs took 2x more time to kill then pre-LU20.  The epics were regenerating health like crazy, and we basically had a lot more trouble then usual.  This is a t6 raid that was easier when we were all lvl 60 pre-LU20.</p><p>Before Gates, we saw that Terrorantula was up ( a mob we killed 2 times last week when we were lvl 60).  Guess what, I don't even think we got him below 90% health.</p><p> </p><p>Something is obviously wrong here.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Rano]

<div></div>What?  We are weaker now?  And everyone else?  Crud...I just made my bruiser and I have been having so much fun with him.

[Saev]

<div></div><div></div><p>Normally I'd say, to myself, that any complaints about being weaker are imaginary. In this case though I think it's true, or the mobs just got tougher.</p><p>I had to FD out of a fight I won easily just last week, against the Blademaster and friends in the caves under SS. Note that this isn't even in any new zones, this is the same fight I did pre-expansion. Even after a wizard came and killed the friends, I was unable to take out the Blademaster by himself. Either he is tougher or I am much weaker. Or both.</p><p>I was also owned by the named (who's name escapes me atm) required for the Clefts of Rujark key quest, and he was even level, solo, single ^. I hadn't fought him before, but I did not expect to be killed so quickly against any solo mob, named or not. My heal gave me just over 1000 hp, his next critical took off almost the exact same amount. The fight wasn't even close.</p><p>*Edit* I should point out that against regular mobs, I did not seem to be having as much trouble, but it still seemed to take longer and use more power than pre-expansion.</p><p>Message Edited by Saevan on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:32 PM</span></p>

[sarsippi]

<div></div><p>I havent noticed much difference really. I mean, its been tougher, but ive only been in the new zones, so I expected that much. I'm gonna head to Hidden cache now, still same lvl and still same gear I had before, so it should be the same, we'll see how it goes. I'll let ya know.</p><p>I wish I had saved some parses of that area, but I dont have any to compare a before and after thing, lol.</p>

[DarkMirrax]

<div>Its not we are weaker its just the mobs seem to be stronger IMH , i.e the named 65 (caretaker) in Poets totally owned us</div><div> </div><div>60 zerker , 58 bruiser , 60 warlock , 60 temp , 60 conj and 60 dirge .. always used this setup tbh and never had a problem with any of them , was a bit of a surprise but i like not being able to slack off anymore :smileyvery-happy:</div>

[PhozFa]

I also think the mobs are stronger. They should be. New tier. New Line of Gear. New AAs. The reason i don't think its me is cause it seems like everyone is "weaker". In sanctum groups with non-guildies i got more than one time how they rather have me than a plate tank due to the fact i don't take that much damage. I know i'm not an elite player (but better than average). So unless every other plate class on my server sucks i think its the mobs. Haven't tried to compare the tanking with my SK yet. Having too much fun with the bruiser.<div></div>

[DarkMirrax]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>PhozFate wrote:I also think the mobs are stronger. They should be. New tier. New Line of Gear. New AAs. The reason i don't think its me is cause it seems like everyone is "weaker". In sanctum groups with non-guildies i got more than one time how they rather have me than a plate tank due to the fact i don't take that much damage. I know i'm not an elite player (but better than average). So unless every other plate class on my server sucks i think its the mobs. Haven't tried to compare the tanking with my SK yet. Having too much fun with the bruiser.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Definatly Sanctum is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] cool place , its good to have a challenge again lol , though i would say its both new world and old world mobs that have changed not just the new ones ..... ohhhh and as i type my first T7 RARE !!!! WOOOOOT lol