Is the Bruiser the Leet character

[Greavous]

<div><div>Well guys I've just hit the 60 and I am so glad I rolled this Bruiser. I already had a 60 Wizz and started 2 other tanks to get the hang of things. Nothing in mho comes close to the ability the brusier has as MT in a single group. We control mobs like no other class can and destroy the enemy before the others can cast thier first nuke. Nothing can pull agro off a bruiser if he's good and I can grab it when ever I please (great for having a turn if the healers need to catch up the Guard). Im surprised that more of you are not MT for some epic mobs. I tank Dayathar  for our guild when our Guard is away. I always tank LockJaw as we can do a much better job than any other tank in the game for him. The gardner in Al'Afez is made for us and I allways tank the  Vamps in the Gates of Ahket Aken . Yes plate tanks will aways take the lion share of the MT position for epic  encounters but we are not limited as they are. We can solo better than most, we can MT better than most, we deff OT better than most and we are just darn sexy too.</div><div>Hell I love the dps of my Wizz but nothing compares dropping down into a mob from a height that would kill most others and unleashing Armageddon.</div><div> </div><div>Im told all the time by others in group that they didnt know how kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] the Bruiser was untill they had grouped and seen the love.</div><div>Guys and Gals rejoice, for we are truly the elite of Norrath</div></div>

[ganjookie]

nope but pretty good!<div></div>

[MutantCrock1905]

<div>We are pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good tanks and with weapons immunities taken off, Terror is alot easier. You ask why we don't really tank in high end stuff?</div><div> </div><div>Well it's not that we can't it's just hard. Mobs under 65 can be tanked by a bruiser easily, but once they are orange to us, avoidance is almost never checked and you will get hit hard as heck vs. a tank who has over 2k more mit then you outside of full defensive. If anything we are the best secondary tanks (when MT dies and we pick up the mob where it is) since we can pull mobs off easier then anyone else.</div><div> </div><div>O well maybe others have a different opinion /shrug~</div>

[LokiHellsson]

I've got a 31 Bruiser with nice gear and spell upgrades. It's fun to play her. I enjoy tanking in RoV.However, in encounters with more than one mob, my 37 Warlock can easily pull the aggro off the tank whether it's a Guardian or Bruiser or SK. Haven't tried a Paladin yet, but I'll bet I can steal some mobs even from a Paladin. Do 1k encounter-wide and the mobs peel off the tank and onto my Warlock.

[Crystal Arine]

<div></div><p>Yeah we rock, but not as much as you say. You just have to learn to accept that if they're is a guardian in the group, you won't be MT. We arn't "the leet character" we are kinda of a mix of all classes.</p><p>We have our ghetto mez from the mages, our heals from the preist. Our DPS/avoidence from the scouts, and our tanking ability from the fighters.</p><p>All of these though are not as good as the other classes. For example, our mez will never be up to par with that of illusionists. Our heals are nothing compared to any priest class (hell, even pallys). Our DPS isn't as good as "most" scouts (minus troub and dirge). Our tanking ability...is questionable...we are much more situational then the other tanks (besides monks). As far as single target argo goes though we out class everyone. On the other hand a Zerker will steal AOE argo in half a second.</p><p>They way I put it makes our class sound bad but when you put everything together we rock hardcore. Bruiser is without a doubt my favorite class at the moment and hope no drastic changes are made to bruiser.</p><p><font size="1" color="#996666">(btw duuuude shut up, you trying to get our class nerfed?)</font></p>

[Nophie]

umm our mez and heals are very usefull cause there % heals where as paladin gets heals based on a # so we can go bump our STA/max hp up and still have a very good heal where as paladin can get it so high then heal doesnt heal as effectivly if they get hp to high and well our mez is a great resource when vsing a group solo cause you can juggle mobs back and forth normaly only having to kill 1 mob at a time and you solo no heals sides your self heals really help just remember 3s magic # for group (mez 1 fear 1 and fight1)<div></div>

[Greavous]

<div></div><p><font color="#ffffff"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><span>Crystal</span><span>, your statement “</span></font></font><span>You just have to learn to accept that if they're is a guardian in the group, you won't be MT” I find very strange.</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><span><font color="#ffffff">We have 2 very well equipped plate tanks I a raiding guild of all lvl 60 players. A lot of competition to get spots in the “A” team so good solid players.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">We have a Guard, Zerka and me the Bruiser.</font></span></p><p><span></span><span><font color="#ffffff">In combination these 3, working together and each tanking those mobs which are best suited to them is the ultimate in balance and speed of kill. As in my original post, the Guard will take the lion share. Prob a little over ½ of Epic encounters. The remaining ½ would be spread equally between the Zerka and Bruiser. We experiment with all 3 and find the best tank for each situation. </font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Al'Afez is a prime example. The Prismatic Captain is a Guard mob, tried him and succeeded but it was a hard fight. Easy with a Guard. The Lakado boys are also Guard mobs. The Great Gardener is best handled by a Bruiser, Guard has real problems with the poison hits early on. The moon child is a combo job with the guard tanking the main mob and the Zerka, Bruiser or some times a Paly taking the runners. The harpies guarding the main tower are all Zerka but we use the bruiser to pull then fain because of the avoidance. We use the Bruiser to pull a lot of mobs for the Guard to take off as it stops the mob jumping straight to a healer because of reactives. We also have A guard and Bruiser in the MT group as the avoidance buff we can put on has saved our MT going down time and time again. Not once did I say that we were the best MT in the game. But I do believe that over all the Bruiser is so active in so many ways that its hard to go past him as THE over all ultimate warrior. I’m surprised that a lot of the main raiding guilds don’t have a more active roll for the bruiser. I’ve asked a few, most have never thought about it or tried it. </font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Also your comment about a Zerka stealing hate in half a second I find strange. When I have a Zerka in a group I change my tactics accordingly and can hold anything I want. Having said that the 2 together work very well and a Bruiser on the main mob with the Zerka pulling all the adds off is a great situation.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Our Mezz is not for a group situation and was never intended to be. That’s for solo situations. That’s why we have a mezzer or 2 in a raid to do that job.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Our heals were not supposed to be a group spell. Leave that to who’s job it is, but man it rocks to go head to head solo with a ^^^ and both be in the red and hitting that button and going up yours.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">If our MT is getting clobbered he expects his Bruiser to throw up Stone Deaf and take the mob with out asking. If I want the mob I take it. I don’t care who the MT is. I take it when ever I want or need. A raiding force needs that ability.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">When a mob breaks and goes healer hunting, are u gonna wait for the Guard to lumber over there, or does the Bruiser teleport right into the mobs face, head butt it, and bring it right back where it belongs.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Yesterday we were farming SC x 4 area. Had 1 full group of 5 rangers and 1 zerka. After parsing the damage I was always around the 3rd or 4th postion in dps. Beat some rangers got beaten by others. How can u say as a Tank that that is not Leet?</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Your statement “Our tanking ability...is questionable” possibly should be changed to “My tanking ability...is questionable” because I don’t agree with it at all.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Don’t mean to attack dude but don’t ever walk up to a Bruiser and tell him that his tanking ability...is questionable. You will probably find your self on the floor with a busted nose.</font></span></p>

[ganjookie]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Greavous wrote:<div></div><p><font color="#ffffff"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><span>Crystal</span><span>,........</span></font></font></font></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Don’t mean to attack dude but don’t ever walk up to a Bruiser and tell him that his tanking ability...is questionable. You will probably find your self on the floor with a busted nose.</font></span></p><hr></blockquote>/clap</span></div>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Greavous wrote:</div><div>Had 1 full group of 5 rangers and 1 zerka. After parsing the damage I was always around the 3rd or 4th postion in dps.</div><div>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________</div><div> </div><div> i find this highly impossible unless your parser is not picking up all the damage.  I don't see how if the ranger is doing his job out of 5 rangers you are able to out dps 2-3 of them. Check your parser and make sure it is updated and picking up all the procs. the rangers in my guild are breaking 900dps now in group setups that take advantage of thier insane proc rate. Not saying your lying or anything but if you got some leet info i would love to know how my bruiser can consistently break 900+dps.</div><p>Btw i wouldn't be surprised if our self heal gets nerfed as it is atm its gettign to a point where it unbalancing to upgrade it in expansions. Also SOE has already done a precursor to nerfing it. Check the new 1-20 bruiser self heals there are # based and not % based. Imho using % as a spell is usually a bad call. A flat # would of been easier to control and balance. Part of the reason why balancing a paladins amends was an issue. % to me will eventually meet a breaking point.</p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:22 PM</span></p>

[Greavous]

<div></div>Hehe maybe you should learn about who to have in the MT group. Not saying that solo im going to be doing the same dps as a scout soloing but you always make use of whats available. Wont be giving it away here. Experiment.

[Gungo]

<div></div><p>I know the classes and who to have in the MT group and yes there is no way the MT group can have the MT out dps a ranger in a DPS group. heck its not even possible for a bruiser in the DPS group to out dps a ranger in the DPS group. On a 7 delay bow using rare posiens w a zerker and fury and troubador in the DPS group. They are procing every hit. On multi mob encounters its not even close.</p><p> </p>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><p>just for fun lets set up the best possible MT group for a bruiser, W/O trying to min/max defense or taking into account resists needed etc.</p><p>mitigation buffer- conjuror- great dam shields and procs and decent mitgation buff</p><p>Power regen- Bard- Personally i prefer dirges over troubadors. increase hate for MT is better then reduced hate for rest of group. although a troub can add more DPS to MT (especially for crusaders who cast more)</p><p>MT- lets say its an easier raid target  like lockjaw (Single target encounter and lower con) and we use a bruiser tank. Lets say this bruiser is so tuff he even tanks lock jaw in midstance jsut to get mroe dps. lets say our bruiser has epic 2.0(main hand) and transgression (offhand)</p><p>healer 1- lets place a fury in mt group for haste proc, dam shield and variosu other buffs.</p><p>Healer 2- lets place a defiler in the MT group just because bruisr loves wards and defilers give more direct HP's then mystics (more stamina) as well as better offensive buffs.</p><p>now the last spot you have choices depending on raid soem liek coercer, hate buff, dps buff mroe power/ some like paladins patch heals, mroe mitgation/ some may want a templar for more hp's and better mitgation buffs/ but not this mt group we want DPS. so we go for bezerker yup more procs, rage buff or assasin even mroe hate and posien buff.</p><p> </p><p>AND there IS STILL NO WAY YOU CAN GET 900+ DPS TANKING</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:18 PM</span></p>

[Greavous]

<div>Sorry mate cant remember ever saying multi mob encounters but still. You ever tried an Asassin in your MT group?. Not only can they coat your weapons with poisen but when they put thier agro on you  you could have a 100 rangers firing away and never lose agro.</div>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div>Not saying you can loose agro I am saying You can not out dps rangers.</div><div>you said as a mt you are out dpsing them i call BS.</div><div>1) there is no way you can use your highest dps atk (backstab) while tanking</div><div>2) there is no way in defensive stance you can out dps a ranger in offensive stance</div><div>3) rangers can put posien on themselves as well</div><div> </div><div>so either</div><div>A) your stretchign the truth</div><div>B) your parser is old outdated and not pickign up the rangers procs or</div><div>C) the rangers in your guild are not setup in a decent dps group and/or not using all their abilities</div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:24 PM</span></p>

[Quicksilver74]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gungo wrote:<div>Not saying you can loose agro I am saying You can not out dps rangers.</div><div>you said as a mt you are out dpsing them i call BS.</div><div>1) there is no way you can use your highest dps atk (backstab) while tanking <font color="#ff0000">Yes you can.. Stun them, get behind, backstab, then reposition.</font></div><div>2) there is no way in defensive stance you can out dps a ranger in offensive stance  <font color="#ff0000">Bruisers can tank in offensive, or medium stance also.</font></div><div>3) rangers can put posien on themselves as well</div><hr></blockquote>My comments in <font color="#ff0000">RED</font>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>1) READ RAID SETUP AS IN YOU CAN"T STUN EPICS</p><p>Lets say its a multi mob encounter and some of the mobs are not true epics. By you stuning the adds and running behind them to do a bit mroe dps you now make every other mob in that encounter turn around to face you thus lower the overall dps of the raid by ruining all the positional atks the scouts in your raid could of done. AFAIK there is no solo mob heroic raids in game.</p><p>2) I Do tank most times in offesive stance in groups, if you are raid tanking in offensive stance then KUDOS to you for being the first tank to admit he rather risk wiping the raid so he can do 50more dps. Even still the only raid i would even attempt to tank in master midstance is lockjaw.</p><p><span class="time_text">I think you read part of the conversation crabbok and figured we were talking about xp groups w a bruiser mt. And i do agree a bruiser mt in offensive stance vs heroics may be able to out dps a ranger vs a solo mob at times (especially since not every scout uses rare posiens in xp grroups and a bruiser can do decent burst DPS), But as a raid MT a ranger in a dps group will always outdps a bruiser (especially if the bruiser is the MT)</span></p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:39 PM</span></p>

[Greavous]

<div></div><p>Haha who said u cant use back stab while tanking? Dude this isnt a thread about me and what I can do. This is about how kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] a Bruiser is. I can only tell you what has happened. Checked with 2 parsers saying the same thing. I like the make up of your MT group and its one we use a great deal. Deff Coercer's over Illusionists and deff a Dirge over a Troub. I prefur a Paly for the mit.</p><p>Seems like ive found a "what ever you say Im gonna pick it apart and tell you why your wrong " sorta guy. Not the reason for the thread dude.</p><p>We are big</p><p>We are bad</p><p>And I challange anyone to explain to me why thier Class is tougher than a Bruiser</p>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><p>In raids you cant back stab an epic if you are tanking. Epics can't be stunned.</p><p>yes we are big and bad, but we do have our limits.</p><p> And claiming we can do ranger DPS in raids (900+dps) while tanking is well beyond our limits.</p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:53 PM</span></p>

[Greavous]

<div></div>If you would care to scroll back you would see that I was in SC x4 area. That was the setting. Dont know if you know that area very well, but I assure you they can be stunned.

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><div><p>Lets say its a multi mob encounter and some of the mobs are not true epics. By you stuning the adds and running behind them to do a bit mroe dps you now make every other mob in that encounter turn around to face you thus lower the overall dps of the raid by ruining all the positional atks the scouts in your raid could of done. AFAIK there is no solo mob heroic raids in game.</p><p>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________</p><p>i posted that bit previously. You can stun the adds but not the actual epic. And even still if that is a multimob encounter a ranger in raid can out aoe a bruiser. a bruiser best aoe atk is on a 1.5 min timer. like i said previously i am hard pressed to see any bruiser get over 900+dps. Thats the DPS number scouts get in raids in my guild.</p><p>My guess is parsers are reliant upon distance and being up to date to collectivly retain all the procs associated with the character. If you were the MT you would be far away from the rangers who would be firing away from ranged combat. Thus possibly not gettign recorded on you parser.</p></div><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:01 PM</span></p>

[Greavous]

<div></div><p>OK dude you cuddle that if you want.</p><p>We are in that zone to farm. Its all about killing quick and with the best team for the job. If you cant tank in there in full offensive stance and destroy the place then you should be ashamed of your healers and you should'nt be tanking. The mobs are easy and you hit hard and fast. Are you sure you run a bruiser?</p>

[Gungo]

<div></div>What ever even if you tank the whole zone in offensive stance. I don't care. It doesnt matter. You still can't get 900+ dps tanking. and if killing multimob encounters as fast as possible was your choice then i rather use a zerker. better aoe dps, agro and less avodiance = more dam shield procs (remeber that MT group we set up w the conjuror, fury, dirge, assasin, defiler you were so proud of)

[Greavous]

<div></div><div>Gungo. Do you ever MT for your Guild raids?</div>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><p>Yes i do. Do you every stop patting yourself on the back?</p><p>Show me how you can break 900+dps please while tanking becuase if you can do that while tanking epic encounters then i will let this go.</p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:38 PM</span></p>

[Crystal Arine]

<div></div><blockquote dir="ltr"><div><p><span><span><font color="#ffffff">__________________________________________________ ___________________</font></span></span></p><p><span><span><font color="#ffffff">Greavous wrote:</font></span></span></p><p><font color="#ffffff"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><span>Crystal</span><span>, your statement “</span></font></font><span>You just have to learn to accept that if they're is a guardian in the group, you won't be MT” I find very strange.</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><span><font color="#ffffff">We have 2 very well equipped plate tanks I a raiding guild of all lvl 60 players. A lot of competition to get spots in the “A” team so good solid players.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">We have a Guard, Zerka and me the Bruiser.</font></span></p><p><span></span><span><font color="#ffffff">In combination these 3, working together and each tanking those mobs which are best suited to them is the ultimate in balance and speed of kill. As in my original post, the Guard will take the lion share. Prob a little over ½ of Epic encounters. The remaining ½ would be spread equally between the Zerka and Bruiser. We experiment with all 3 and find the best tank for each situation. </font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Al'Afez is a prime example. The Prismatic Captain is a Guard mob, tried him and succeeded but it was a hard fight. Easy with a Guard. The Lakado boys are also Guard mobs. The Great Gardener is best handled by a Bruiser, Guard has real problems with the poison hits early on. The moon child is a combo job with the guard tanking the main mob and the Zerka, Bruiser or some times a Paly taking the runners. The harpies guarding the main tower are all Zerka but we use the bruiser to pull then fain because of the avoidance. We use the Bruiser to pull a lot of mobs for the Guard to take off as it stops the mob jumping straight to a healer because of reactives. We also have A guard and Bruiser in the MT group as the avoidance buff we can put on has saved our MT going down time and time again. Not once did I say that we were the best MT in the game. But I do believe that over all the Bruiser is so active in so many ways that its hard to go past him as THE over all ultimate warrior. I’m surprised that a lot of the main raiding guilds don’t have a more active roll for the bruiser. I’ve asked a few, most have never thought about it or tried it. </font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Also your comment about a Zerka stealing hate in half a second I find strange. When I have a Zerka in a group I change my tactics accordingly and can hold anything I want. Having said that the 2 together work very well and a Bruiser on the main mob with the Zerka pulling all the adds off is a great situation.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ff0000">AOE genius, if you think you can hold argo from a GOOD zerker in an AOE situation your jsut a cocky son of a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Our Mezz is not for a group situation and was never intended to be. That’s for solo situations. That’s why we have a mezzer or 2 in a raid to do that job.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ff0000">Did I say it was for group situation? Didn't think so.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Our heals were not supposed to be a group spell. Leave that to who’s job it is, but man it rocks to go head to head solo with a ^^^ and both be in the red and hitting that button and going up yours.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ff0000">Seriously, what kinda crack are you on? It must be good stuff...Sorry but don't see where I wrote that its NOT AS GOOD meaning its not meant to be. Christ.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">If our MT is getting clobbered he expects his Bruiser to throw up Stone Deaf and take the mob with out asking. If I want the mob I take it. I don’t care who the MT is. I take it when ever I want or need. A raiding force needs that ability.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ff0000">True this is an awsome and important ability but again where did I say it isn't? I recall saying that we out class everyone in single target argo.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">When a mob breaks and goes healer hunting, are u gonna wait for the Guard to lumber over there, or does the Bruiser teleport right into the mobs face, head butt it, and bring it right back where it belongs.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ff0000">I'M NOT DISSING BRUISERS! I love everything about them I just want you to shut the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up before you get us nerfed.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Yesterday we were farming SC x 4 area. Had 1 full group of 5 rangers and 1 zerka. After parsing the damage I was always around the 3rd or 4th postion in dps. Beat some rangers got beaten by others. How can u say as a Tank that that is not Leet?</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ff0000">I find it immpossible your out dpsing rangers, period.</font></span></p><span><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Your statement “Our tanking ability...is questionable” possibly should be changed to “My tanking ability...is questionable” because I don’t agree with it at all.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ff0000">Your the one that said Bruisers are better for certain mobs. True. That's called situational, add it to your vocabulary.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Don’t mean to attack dude but don’t ever walk up to a Bruiser and tell him that his tanking ability...is questionable. You will probably find your self on the floor with a busted nose.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ff0000">Figure out your class if you don't want your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] smacked with the nerf bat and stop posting crap like this.</font></span></p></span><p><span>__________________________________________________ ________________</span></p></div></blockquote>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>What are you talking about crystal. He is so right unless your bruiser can tank entire raid zones in a dps sided MT group while in offensive stance and out dpsing the highest dps class currently in the game while they are in the DPS group you must suck. My bruiser consistenly breaks 900+ DPS while i tank epics. And i tank raids in offensive stance becuase i rock. No this is not a lie or me trying to pat myself on the back becuase i have so much proof to back my self up. Its not like most mobs don't block, parry, riposte more in the front then from behind.</p><p>Did i miss anything?</p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:08 PM</span></p>

[Greavous]

<div></div><p>Haha the clown brigade turned up.</p><p>Your words Crystal <span><font color="#ff0000">AOE genius, if you think you can hold argo from a GOOD zerker in an AOE situation your jsut a cocky son of a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">A GOOD Zerka in an AOE  situation wouldnt pull hate. Your talking about a noob who doesnt know how his class works and just throws buttons togeather. If thats your experiance im sorry. I happen to group with very good peeps. </font></span></p><p><span>I love people who resort to abuse and name calling. Usually skinny little wanna be's who all they have is name calling. Just so funny.</span></p><p><span>Gungo seems to at lest have a brain in his/her head which make sit easier to talk with. At no time in the intire thread did I once say that I was doing 900 + dps. Those are your words and not mine. Dont know how your came across those figures. Love to see a ranger do that to the bruiser in top room of poets palace. Dps is so dependant on the type of mobs, resists, and debuffs. Cant say ive ever come across a ranger or any class that can run 900 + in every situation. </span></p>

[Vorham]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Either way, shut the hell up Brannigan</p><p>if it's true, then shut the hell up about it before you get us nerfed</p><p>if it's false... which i am 100% on, shut the hell up because it could be for several reasons ---</p><p>If he is talking about pulling 900 dps in the epic x 4 part of SC, who knows how the parser could have turned out.</p><p>Maybe they pulled one of the x 4 groups, and he did a lot of dmg vs. one target, and popped savage blows vs. the encounter with thunder fist up and that was enough to drop the rest of the weenie mobs in encounter and the parser shut off right as he blew his mega attack?  Maybe during this time some of the dps'rs arts were down.... who the hell knows.</p><p>Sure he could be tankin the weak [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] epic stuff in SC... no way he outdoing the dps of the dps'rs while doing it, unless it just happened to fall under one of those instances where dps is artificially inflated due to fight duration vs. high dmg arts cast during that time, as well as parser not measuring down-time.</p><p>anyway you cut it, go duo with a ranger and see who's dps is higher, think your ego will get checked hardcore</p><p>... and no if the raid mob goes for the healers it's unlikely that a teleport punch (if it somehow hits vs. an orange) and "headbut" will solve the problem.... on so many levels... if you want aggro better run up and spam the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out of your arts with quarrel up while spamming taunts and rescue, while praying that you have the buffs to withstand aggro and not be one-shotted should you receive it.</p><p>Message Edited by Vorham on <span class="date_text">02-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:57 AM</span></p>

[Aral]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Greavous wrote:<p>We are big</p><p>We are bad</p><p>And I challange anyone to explain to me why thier Class is tougher than a Bruiser</p><hr></blockquote><p>My class is tougher than a Bruiser, and I play a 60 bruiser alt so I have some basis for comparison.  I enjoy playing the bruiser, especially as a heroic group tank, but your claims are just ignorant. I know the reason so many meatheads think bruiser dps is all that (hurray for SB on a 20 second AE fight) vs the reality over a long grind or raid.  It's pretty clear that you don't have any experience playing the other classes to which you are comparing yourself Greavous, or you would know just how silly your arguments are.   Oh yeah, and Brigands suck and our heals are broke yadda yadda. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p></p>

[Stiffn]

<div></div>ok, so yeah, im pretty well decked out in gear, i can hit 1k dps on a PPR trash ae fight, i do an average high 400, low 500 dps on a long fight.  I can/have tanked almost all T6 raid content.  SC raid content is crap, i tank it in offensive stance 24/7 because they dont do [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  Seriously the only "long" fight in that whole area is the temple protectors and they are only gonna hit like 3 times before they are dead.  And as AE fights go, our conjurer pulled 6k out of PPR the other night and our (4 of them) pull a consistant 800-1000 dps on every fight.  So either your rangers are running around on Auto-attack or they just kind of suck (not meant to be offensive).

[Dart]

<div></div><p>Coming from a 60 Guardian and a 60 warlock, I'm here to say SOE got this class right (maybe too much so, or the other classes need major lovin). Between FD/Mez/Fear/mend/Stauns/Safe fall/great dps/tanking 99% of the game content - ya this class is rockin, so much so it will most likely be my main when I hit 55.</p><p>Soloing heroics ^^^ faster than my guard solo's ... solo mobs... and taking less damage than my guard does on solo mobs, in offensive stance.</p><p>Killing groups of mobs as efficiently as my warlock without dying one in every ten shots - lovin it</p><p>Unless you want to tank end game for your guild 100% of the time, then I see no reason to play any other tank class than a bruiser, this class flat out rocks. It would seem the heavy plate wearer brother the berzerker would be next best choice, but why give up all that sweet stuff like FD/Mez/Fear/Mend... etc for a little more AE dps... na no thanks.</p><p> </p><p>Bye bye guardian a weakened class that is boring as hell to play, and hello Bruiser time!</p>

[Greavous]

<div></div><p><font color="#ffffcc"><span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Lol </font></span><span>Vorham your such a prat.</span></font></p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc">Perhaps you should get some one to read the thread to you before you comment and show your ignorance.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc">First your comment of “<font color="#ffccff">if it's true, then shut the hell up about it before you get us nerfed</font>” shows me the prevailing wimpy attitude that needs to change in the flaming community. Heaven forbid someone enjoys playing their toon. Oh yeah SOE doesn’t want anyone enjoying the game. That would mean more players and stuff and they have enough trouble dealing with the whinges and whiners they have at the moment.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc">Stand up, be a man. </font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc">Second “<font color="#ffccff">go duo with a ranger and see who's dps is higher, think your ego will get checked hardcore</font>”. If you had taken the time to read<span>  </span>you would have seen my comment “Not saying that solo im going to be doing the same dps as a scout soloing” sorta thought that covered it.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc">Thirdly “<font color="#ffccff">and no if the raid mob goes for the healers it's unlikely that a teleport punch (if it somehow hits vs. an orange) and "headbut" will solve the problem.... on so many levels... if you want aggro better run up and spam the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out of your arts with quarrel up while spamming taunts and rescue, while praying that you have the buffs to withstand aggro and not be one-shotted should you receive it</font>” shows your total lack of understanding of your toon. I thought I was talking with people who understood a few things so I didn’t spell it out. Looks like im gonna have to. When you are off tanking you need to stay as close to the agro lvl as possible so if the MT goes down or a happy nuka goes ape your next cab off the rank. Second if all you do is use teleport you’re a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Try jumping in there face and throwing up Crushing Fury or rescue. <span> </span>Never had that fail to get their attention. Try it. Your MT will start to think u might be useful for a change.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc">All I see from you is the short sighted, wimpy attitude that makes normal people think that games like this are for nerds. Grow some balls.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc">Maybe you should be playing a Shaman. Go stand in the back with the cloth wearers. Let those with a Brawler attitude deal with it.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffcc">If you truly was proud of your class you would be beating your chest telling the world that if you mess with a Brawler, make sure your medical insurance is paid up. But no. Just another hater. So sad.</font></span><span></span></p>

[TheSummoned]

Yes, true epics can be stunned, but we need our backstab (god I hate that word for bruiser, sounds too rogueish) to get it off... Which in an MT situation is impossible.My perfect group? Illusionist, Assassin, Ranger, Conjuror and Defiler. Gotta love Prismatic from illusionist. *note this isn't a group for tanking epics*<div></div>

[Owa]

<div></div><p><font size="2">There's a wave of new 'l33t d00dz' rolling Bruisers at the moment. They like to get into [Removed for Content] contests and equate playing a Bruiser with being a hard case in real life. </font></p><p><font size="2">Be cool though - the WoW expansion is out in a minute so things will settle down again soon.</font></p>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>greavious for one immunites were removed</p><p>2) rangers can choose thier resist type there are crushing peircing and slahsing arrows, all thier combat arts are melee (or magic) and not wpn specific.</p><p>3)  and the 900+dps comment i explained earlier as the number the rangers in my guild regularly pull off, becuase i am fairly certain that if you are parsing yourself doig more damage then the highest dps class currently in game while you are tanking is a flaw in your parser. Once again if your rangers cna not pull off 900+dps regularly vs solo or multi raid mobs while in the dps group. You need to check your parser.</p><p>luckily SOE does have data miners on LIVE servers that show allegations such as this is false.</p><p>BTW stiffner i totally agree with your statement especially. Thats really all i am trying to say not that we can't do decent dps or tank well. Just that we can not tank and do more damage then the highest dps class in the game.</p><p>"So either your rangers are running around on Auto-attack or they just kind of suck (not meant to be offensive). "quote stiffner</p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">02-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:37 PM</span></p>

[Greavous]

<div></div>Aralys The words I used were "I challange anyone to EXPLAIN to me why thier class is tougher" Not once in your post did you explain anything apart from some prattle about a Brigand. If you wanted to respond, perhaps a reasoned arguement would have helped. If your not familar enough with your character to be able to EXPLAIN its toughness im sure that if you check your class forums you might pick up some info and throw it togeather. Why do people seem to have to abuse instead of amuse, hehe still brings a grin of sorts.

[Crystal Arine]

<div></div><blockquote dir="ltr"><div>__________________________________________________ ____________________</div><div> </div><div>Greavous wrote:</div><div> </div><div>Aralys The words I used were "I challange anyone to EXPLAIN to me why thier class is tougher" Not once in your post did you explain anything apart from some prattle about a Brigand. If you wanted to respond, perhaps a reasoned arguement would have helped. If your not familar enough with your character to be able to EXPLAIN its toughness im sure that if you check your class forums you might pick up some info and throw it togeather. Why do people seem to have to abuse instead of amuse, hehe still brings a grin of sorts.</div><div>__________________________________________________ _____________________</div></blockquote><div><font size="2" face="Century">(can't help myself from posting on the "I'm leeter then you!" types of threads)</font></div><div> </div><div>Sorry, I could be blind but I don't see you explaining anything about bruisers. In fact, you're not doing anything but bragging about how many raid mobs you've tanked and done 'x' damage on your parser. Do you really think anyone cares? I mean come on this isn't one of those "I'm</div><div>L33terz ten all u N00bz that dun kno how ta play their class!!1!11" games. Seriously I'm not going to pound my chest and grow bigger balls over a online computer game. Get a life.</div><div> </div><div>Your response will be: Learn to play you class.</div><div>Classic. :smileyvery-happy:</div><div> </div>

[ShinmaRyche]

<div></div><p><font color="#ffff00">/me predicts the magic thread locking fairy. Soon.</font></p><p> </p>