Strength or Agi ?

[Zetnorr]

<div></div><font color="#3366ff"><font face="Century"><font size="3">Which  should I conentrate on  for my Bruiser ? I know with my Monk  I have gone  after agi, agi, agi, as it  is  also  very  suitable  for  Iksar's. Put the 2 together ( Iksar + more agi ) & you have ... ahhh you have a very agile Iksar lol.What then for a  Bruiser more  strength  & a little agi ? My Bruiser to be is an Iksar too & Iksar's  have afair amount of strength as  well.Thankyou.</font></font></font><font color="#cc0000"><font size="1">forgot  the  ' K '</font></font><p>Message Edited by Zetnorr on <span class="date_text">01-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:07 AM</span></p>

[Mantua1]

<div></div><p>I believe STR is our main power pool stat. It also determins the amount of damage your do as a Bruiser. Its more a matter of what your preferance is. I know a few bruisers who stuck with AGI but seemd a little bit disapointed when their avoidance is not over 65%.</p><p>As a 60 bruiser I have gotten my STR (with buffs of course) to over 550 and enjoy seeing my melee skills hit for over 1000. I have also gotten my AGI over 350 and my avoidance does not exceed 60%.</p>

[glumlor]

I prefere Agi myself because usually I fight in Offensive stance, but STR is such an important stat that you cant neglect.I believe it affects your attack skill also besides your damage.  Does STR actually affect your CA dmg, or just auto attack?<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

<div>Stamina, Strength, then Agility.You get tons of agility from just our buffs (Battle Lust, Shake Off)You get no Stamina however from selfbuffs.  Stamina is also one of the uncommon group buffs.</div>

[glumlor]

<span><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div>Stamina, Strength, then Agility.You get tons of agility from just our buffs (Battle Lust, Shake Off)You get no Stamina however from selfbuffs.  Stamina is also one of the uncommon group buffs.</div><hr></blockquote>So Colossaltitan, I'm only level 42 and have spent the majority of my career soloing up until this point.I primarily focused on in combat Power Regen during level upgrades.  My focus has been on Agi and Str with STA in last place since I never have HP problems soloing and our self-heal is a life saver.  Even with my in-combat power regen fighting a 44 ^ non heroic mob I drain about 50% of my power..  I know things will change when I get higher level but I guess I'm just curious if I'm making wrong decisions..</span><div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>Neither have I.  I'm just telling you whats best.I want Power Regen Traits, STR Traits, and didn't really specificially focus on anything, had a ring of each, always had  +13str/+13sta dolls.This is the overall reccomended best, ask most of the high-end Bruisers, they'll agree with me.Go Stamina over Strengh & Agility.You can cap Agility No problem even w/o agility traits & regular gear.Same with Strength.However, stamina you won't.

[glumlor]

<div></div>Sounds good, thanks for your truthful advice.I need to invest in some dolls I guess, and work on upgrading my Mez to master or something.  It gets resisted quite a bit at adept I which has not made it as usefull as I would like.Btw since I sort of hijacked this thread already <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I got a legendary bad [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 1h weapon from a master drop in Runny Eye.  It has 48dps and is one handed with a 2.0 delay, it's a hammer of some type but I cant remember the exact name.  Should I continue using this or go back to my non-rare dual wield batons?  I dont think it really affects my CA dmg but my auto attack dmg is 3 times higher.<div></div><p>Message Edited by glumlord1 on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:06 AM</span></p>

[Sirlutt]

i've been focussing on STR and STA aswell.. as i do with all my tanks... AGI just doesnt do much anymore in the grand scheme of things.<div></div>

[MakhailSamma]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div></div>Neither have I.  I'm just telling you whats best.I want Power Regen Traits, STR Traits, and didn't really specificially focus on anything, had a ring of each, always had  +13str/+13sta dolls.This is the overall reccomended best, ask most of the high-end Bruisers, they'll agree with me.Go Stamina over Strengh & Agility.You can cap Agility No problem even w/o agility traits & regular gear.Same with Strength.However, stamina you won't.<hr></blockquote>W0RD

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>Its really preference Glum. If you feel your DPS is good with that 1hander.  Then stick with it if you want.  Doesn't really matter.Thx Krom <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[Fromingo]

<div></div>I would focus on agilty then str then stam until you start reaching those caps mentioned above.   You can have immediate results with high agility, somewhat less so with strength and even less with stam at the lower levels.  As you get higher they all tend to balance out more.    I have consistantly maintained between 68-73% avoidance with my bruiser alt(depending on where my exp bar is).  He's now 45 and since I'm well over 300 agi solo, I've started shifting some focus torwards stam/str(and soon a little added wisdom) since the returns seem better.   At lower levels just getting gear with good power/HP stats was primary focus for HP/Power and AD3 CA's/good weapon DPS for the damage side of str.

[Quicksilver74]

<div>at lvl 60, my stat cap is 420.  I typically can get my Agility to 480, (it's easy to max).   heres how I end up</div><div> </div><div>STR usually around 408</div><div>AGI usually at 415</div><div>STA usually 220</div><div>INT usually 60 ish</div><div>WIS usually 70 ish</div><div> </div><div>Stamina is the hardest stat to max for us. </div><div> </div><div>STR and AGI both are good, but the golden items in my opinion, are the ones with STR, AGI, and STA. </div>

[MakhailSamma]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Quicksilver74 wrote:<div>at lvl 60, my stat cap is 420.  I typically can get my Agility to 480, (it's easy to max).   heres how I end up</div><div> </div><div>STR usually around 408</div><div>AGI usually at 415</div><div>STA usually 220</div><div>INT usually 60 ish</div><div>WIS usually 70 ish</div><div> </div><div>Stamina is the hardest stat to max for us. </div><div> </div><div>STR and AGI both are good, but the golden items in my opinion, are the ones with STR, AGI, and STA. </div><hr></blockquote><p> I generally end up with less agility and more strength, stamina, and Wisdom. The increase from my agility is so little to my avoidance that I tend to pay little attention to it anymore and my resists, HP's, power pool, and damage become more important to me personally.</p><p> </p><p> Its all personal flavor I guess. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>Go stamina, then strength, then agility.  General answer to this thread. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[MakhailSamma]

<div></div><p>I would go stamina, strength, then agility myself.</p><p> </p><p>Just wanted to say it for the upteenth time :smileytongue:</p>

[Quicksilver74]

<div>although if you want jolting fists/storming fists line to do the most damage, you shoudl try and max your intelligence.   I bet storming fists woudl do over 110 per hit at max INT!</div>

[Zetnorr]

Well having just become a  big  bad  Lvl 20  Bruiser  - at least the  Lvl 18 & lower mob's  think so  hehe  - I checked  my gear  over,couldn't believe  I was  still  wearing stuff  from the Isle , I've  been  so focused  on attaining  Lvl 20  forgot  to check ! I am  in  need  of  some jewelry  but not  much available  on broker at  moment but I have  friend's  in that field.Got  some  bracer's as they were  desperately  needed &  got  a  doll  with  + 10  sta  for 17 gold. See  I have been paying attention <span>:smileyhappy:</span>  thank's  to  all  of  you  for your  in put. 

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Quicksilver74 wrote:<div>although if you want jolting fists/storming fists line to do the most damage, you shoudl try and max your intelligence.   I bet storming fists woudl do over 110 per hit at max INT!</div><hr></blockquote>117 @ m1. dont think it raises. told ya not all things work as they should.. why int isnt' worth it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Quicksilver74 wrote:<div>at lvl 60, my stat cap is 420.  I typically can get my Agility to 480, (it's easy to max).   heres how I end up</div><div> </div><div>STR usually around 408</div><div>AGI usually at 415</div><div>STA usually 220</div><div>INT usually 60 ish</div><div>WIS usually 70 ish</div><div> </div><div>Stamina is the hardest stat to max for us. </div><div> </div><div>STR and AGI both are good, but the golden items in my opinion, are the ones with STR, AGI, and STA. </div><hr></blockquote>Cap is 440 Crab.

[Pnaxx]

<div></div><p>So now I am a mite bit confused again......lol.....STA = increased power supply? OR does it  = increased health pool?</p><p>I figure I need the one that increases the blue line under the green health due to how fast I burn through that stuff.</p>

[Zetnorr]

Make sure you are drinking  something  that is  appropriate  to your Lvl - plus or minus  a  couple doesn't  really  hurt - but if  you  are drinking  something thats  5/6 Lvl's below  it won't be as  good.Water, or the emergency ration's  as I call it , just  won't  do  in combat situation's.  <span>:smileyhappy:</span>

[Pnaxx]

<div>Aye ....I always spend for good food and drink. I make sure it is 3rd tier I think and high sation.</div>

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>I'm too poor for that.

[Halsy01]

<div>Well, IMO, I think it's all very situational. Ideally you should always carry 2 sets of armor with you. 1 agi based - for tanking, because avoidance is your friend, forget mitigation. And your str set for laying the beats down on those beasties - soloing.</div><div> </div><div>And as everyone else has said, yes, you can *never* go wrong getting all the stam you can. However...the caveat here is that it is again, stituational. Grouping, burning through mobs as a whole faster is where you really need the stam - and don't forget to use power totems!!! , people who don't use totems are insane IMO. Conversely, when you're soloing and you have to be a bit more picky and not burning through mobs as quickly, that's where you want heavy str to load up on all that front-end damage and just dust that mob as fast as possible. Afterall, the longer the fight goes on - solo - the more damage you take, as well as ancillary dangers of picking up adds, so why increase downtime and dange to self needlessly?</div><div> </div><div>All 3 stats ae important, but str and agi really shine under particular circumstances.</div>

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>This is why rare-crafted has a variety of stats on it.This is what stances are made for.The question this is mainly is for traits, dolls, ring buffs; etc.  What do you reccomend?7/10 Bruisers would reccomend going Stamina because you already get a ton of Agility and Strength from self-buffs (and agi/str is a more common group buff than stamina), making those two easier to max out.  HP Is just as important as avoidance, as is mitigation.  Some would argue mitigation/hp>avoidance. Its really situational, but again, you shouldn't be worrying specifically about carrying pieces only with str when "DPS'n" why? Because thats not your roll, you are a main tank, or off tank as most of us like playing, moderate dps, can tank when need be, does tank when need be, (a need be situation is), Berserker pull mobs, Healer pulls aggro on one of the adds w/ the named, you go, you pull off, you tank, while dpsing.Understand?  You need to be ready for all role's of the bruiser.  This is why we have STR&AGI buffs.  So we can do *BOTH* things.  Gear your self balanced and you will always be looked for in a group situation.  Gear yourself towards one thing or another and you will do better in the late scheme of things, but remember that is a very small portion of the game for most people in the general population of EQ2.Again, 7/10 Bruisers would reccomend going Stamina as one of your primary traits.