bruiser haste?

[FroggyBruiser]

<DIV>the intimidating order's line of spells states and certain % of added dps. This means it is a haste right ?</DIV>

[QQ-Fatman]

No, it adds your auto-attack damage. If you have +15% dps, you can hit for 115 instead of 100.

[Thail]

<P>LOl ahh no my friend actauly we add to ours and others AOE dps. No, my friend its the Monks with the <EM>huge player base</EM> that get the haste and the heal outside of group and so on. </P> <P> </P> <P>I can still solo (only cause of fabled gear) and I have fun with my guildies but over all I am very bored with the Bruiser class. Maybe if they gave me a group FD or a self invis or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I dunno SOMETHING EXCITING I wouldnt be so bored.</P> <P> </P> <P>You know what while im ranting... Moorguard you are the WORST cheerleader for the Bruiser class I have ever seen. Come on man. Throw your boys a bone. Something interesting instead of the same old same old spells that have been replaced every 10 levels with the same spells w/ more damage! </P><p>Message Edited by Thail on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:01 PM</span>

[sabe]

Just wondering if Velan's Nervy Order was still in the game or not?<a href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/VelansNervyOrder.php" target=_blank><b></b></a> <div></div>

[FroggyBruiser]

no they removed it, along with all the other spells like that 1.

[psubull]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thail wrote:<BR> <P>LOl ahh no my friend actauly we add to ours and others AOE dps. No, my friend its the Monks with the <EM>huge player base</EM> that get the haste and the heal outside of group and so on. </P> <P> </P> <P>I can still solo (only cause of fabled gear) and I have fun with my guildies but over all I am very bored with the Bruiser class. Maybe if they gave me a group FD or a self invis or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I dunno SOMETHING EXCITING I wouldnt be so bored.</P> <P> </P> <P>You know what while im ranting... Moorguard you are the WORST cheerleader for the Bruiser class I have ever seen. Come on man. Throw your boys a bone. Something interesting instead of the same old same old spells that have been replaced every 10 levels with the same spells w/ more damage! </P> <P>Message Edited by Thail on <SPAN class=date_text>11-09-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:01 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Make a monk, plz

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thail wrote:<BR> <P>LOl ahh no my friend actauly we add to ours and others AOE dps. No, my friend its the Monks with the <EM>huge player base</EM> that get the haste and the heal outside of group and so on.</P> <P>I can still solo (only cause of fabled gear) and I have fun with my guildies but over all I am very bored with the Bruiser class. Maybe if they gave me a group FD or a self invis or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I dunno SOMETHING EXCITING I wouldnt be so bored.</P> <P>You know what while im ranting... Moorguard you are the WORST cheerleader for the Bruiser class I have ever seen. Come on man. Throw your boys a bone. Something interesting instead of the same old same old spells that have been replaced every 10 levels with the same spells w/ more damage!</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Um, why didn't you play a monk.  You want haste, heal outside of group, group fd and self invis.  ...  Uh?  Am I missing something.<BR>

[CosmicAcidGu]

<span><blockquote><hr>Thail wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>LOl ahh no my friend actauly we add to ours and others AOE dps. No, my friend its the Monks with the <em>huge player base</em> that get the haste and the heal outside of group and so on. </p> <p>I can still solo (only cause of fabled gear) and I have fun with my guildies but over all I am very bored with the Bruiser class. Maybe if they gave me a group FD or a self invis or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I dunno SOMETHING EXCITING I wouldnt be so bored.</p> <p>You know what while im ranting... Moorguard you are the WORST cheerleader for the Bruiser class I have ever seen. Come on man. Throw your boys a bone. Something interesting instead of the same old same old spells that have been replaced every 10 levels with the same spells w/ more damage! </p><p>Message Edited by Thail on <span class="date_text">11-09-2005</span> <span class="time_text">08:01 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I'm also disappointed with my bruiser. I'm really missing rez, direct heals, reactive heals and HP buffs to make this class enjoyable. Finnster</span><div></div>

[Sa]

Yes, I have been waiting on someone to bring the topic up. My bruiser to has seemed to bore me as well. I think if they gave us a pet and a power regen for our group leet bow skills and group heals it would help. Also bring back the druid ports from EQ1 and let bruisers be the only ones who can do it.

[Fromingo]

Please just combine all the powers of my Dirge and my Fury into my bruiser please.  :smileytongue:

[TheSummoned]

<P>I also want a stifle with a 0 cast time, 0 power and 5 second recast with a 20 second duration.</P> <P>I also want to get my 80% avoidance back that I had before the CC. And I want my heal to be turned into a HoT and recast reduced to 30 seconds. I also want a raid rez, simular to the dirge only more powerful. Also, I want a 15k damage nuke for pulling and maintaining agro.</P> <P>I'm so disapointed at my bruiser atm <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Sa]

In addition to all those skills that I and other bruisers mentioned above, I think all bruisers should have pudding. What good is a Bruiser without some sort of pudding <p>Message Edited by Sazz on <span class=date_text>11-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:26 AM</span>

[SageGaspar]

<DIV>God, I'm glad I found this thread. My bruiser has been so weak compared to other tanks after the CU.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would like a pet, 'cause the paladins get squires and the shadow knights get creepily-crawlamajigs. The guardians get all their little friendly spirit shards. We need, like, I dunno, OMG, a scorpian that hovars without flapping.</DIV>

[Thail]

Better late then never. All you smart [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] non bruisers can suck my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]<div></div>

[ShinmaRyche]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Thail wrote:Better late then never. All you smart [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] non bruisers can suck my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]<div></div><hr></blockquote><font color="#ffff00">Did you really need to bump a 4 months old post to say THAT? :smileyindifferent:</font>

[Parasite]

<div>[Removed for Content] ! :p</div><div> </div><div>I'm glad he did :p</div><div> </div><div>Had a good laugh :d Never seen that post :p</div><div> </div><div>Greetz</div><div> </div>

[CosmicAcidGu]

I bet he came back after 4 months to check if he has group FD, targeted heals, invis and laser goggles yet.Finnster<div></div>

[MakhailSamma]

<div>The stats on the laser goggles suck anyways..</div>

[Dart]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Thail wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>LOl ahh no my friend actauly we add to ours and others AOE dps. No, my friend its the Monks with the <em>huge player base</em> that get the haste and the heal outside of group and so on.</p><p>I can still solo (only cause of fabled gear) and I have fun with my guildies but over all I am very bored with the Bruiser class. Maybe if they gave me a group FD or a self invis or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I dunno SOMETHING EXCITING I wouldnt be so bored.</p><p>You know what while im ranting... Moorguard you are the WORST cheerleader for the Bruiser class I have ever seen. Come on man. Throw your boys a bone. Something interesting instead of the same old same old spells that have been replaced every 10 levels with the same spells w/ more damage!</p><hr></blockquote>Um, why didn't you play a monk.  You want haste, heal outside of group, group fd and self invis.  ...  Uh?  Am I missing something.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Um why did you play a Monk. You want to tank raid mobs.... Uh? Am I missing something? /ROFLMAO

[Radigazt]

<div></div><p>Bruiser is a fun class, no doubt.  Not too many complaints really, but, being a PvP'er, I gotta say that Mantis Star (the throwing power in the Stamina Achievement line) should have a snare.  In PvP Bruisers either get ganked and they die or the other person gets away ... it's impossible to catch a runner if they know what they're doing.  I try to do team PvP every chance I'm on, but sometimes nobody's on and I want to harvest, or run solo to get somewhere ... and the lack of any ranged damage, lack of any ranged mez/stun/root or even snare just leaves a feeling of impossibility that doesn't sit well.  A long duration root would be an 'I Win Button' so I definitely do NOT want that, but a snare makes a lot of sense.  At least they'd think twice about jumping me, and if they jumped me ... they wouldn't <em>always</em> be guaranteed an easy escape option.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>Because of PvP, stun-lock isn't an option ... and I agree with the double-duration immunity rule.  But, it has really changed the dynamic of PvP'ing with a Bruiser.  Since the Stamina Achievement line is obviously the ranged attack line, it makes a lot of sense to put in an effect to deal with runners.  Mantis Leap helps, but on a 1 minute timer ... it's very situational.  Mantis Star should have a snare ... I think it would be fine to replace the Stamina Debuff with a Snare.  After all, Snares aren't roots that assure you catch runners, but they add the element of unknown that makes fleeing much more risky. </p>

[Pheeb]

<span><blockquote><hr>Radigazt wrote:<div></div><p>Bruiser is a fun class, no doubt.  Not too many complaints really, but, being a PvP'er, I gotta say that Mantis Star (the throwing power in the Stamina Achievement line) should have a snare.  In PvP Bruisers either get ganked and they die or the other person gets away ... it's impossible to catch a runner if they know what they're doing.  I try to do team PvP every chance I'm on, but sometimes nobody's on and I want to harvest, or run solo to get somewhere ... and the lack of any ranged damage, lack of any ranged mez/stun/root or even snare just leaves a feeling of impossibility that doesn't sit well.  A long duration root would be an 'I Win Button' so I definitely do NOT want that, but a snare makes a lot of sense.  At least they'd think twice about jumping me, and if they jumped me ... they wouldn't <em>always</em> be guaranteed an easy escape option.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>Because of PvP, stun-lock isn't an option ... and I agree with the double-duration immunity rule.  But, it has really changed the dynamic of PvP'ing with a Bruiser.  Since the Stamina Achievement line is obviously the ranged attack line, it makes a lot of sense to put in an effect to deal with runners.  Mantis Leap helps, but on a 1 minute timer ... it's very situational.  Mantis Star should have a snare ... I think it would be fine to replace the Stamina Debuff with a Snare.  After all, Snares aren't roots that assure you catch runners, but they add the element of unknown that makes fleeing much more risky. </p><hr></blockquote>^^^whatever the above poster said - I also don't understand why bruisers (monks as well am guessing) cannot hit in the back or side when running after a target - In PvP, you have to go past the target and then hit it - since we don't run as fast as other classes (i.e. scout), by the time you have past the target (finally) and you're ready to hit, you're either out-of-power, or the target has evac'ed...Why can't we hit a target (PC) when running after it and being within the range - I try it all the time and I just can't hit it...I think this should be fixed in the first place....Any dev care to reply about this? Much appreciated...</span><div></div>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Darton wrote:<div></div>Um why did you play a Monk. You want to tank raid mobs.... Uh? Am I missing something? /ROFLMAO<hr></blockquote>I do tank raid mobs.

[MakhailSamma]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Darton wrote:<div></div>Um why did you play a Monk. You want to tank raid mobs.... Uh? Am I missing something? /ROFLMAO<hr></blockquote>I do tank raid mobs.<hr></blockquote><p>Any tank class can tank Epic mobs. Its all group makeup and team "know how". Its just Gaurdians do it best and I personally prefer giving the person who is best suited for the task the task of doing so. So, why have anyone else do it? </p><p>I like the way our class is set up atm. With the AA's I have gone basicly all DPS as thats my role in raids 90% of the time and I want to do as much as possible in my role. Sta and Wis FTW!!</p>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>MakhailSammael wrote:<div></div><p>Any tank class can tank Epic mobs. Its all group makeup and team "know how". <font color="#ffff00">Its just Gaurdians do it best and I personally prefer giving the person who is best suited for the task the task of doing so.</font> So, why have anyone else do it? </p><p>I like the way our class is set up atm. With the AA's I have gone basicly all <font color="#66ff00">DPS as thats my role in raids 90% of the time and I want to do as much as possible in my role.</font> Sta and Wis FTW!!</p><hr></blockquote><p>You say the statement in yellow...</p><p>and then you say the statement in green.</p><p>Oh the irony.</p><p>Gave me a chuckle at least.</p><p>You let guardians tank because they are better suited for the task yet you try to do DPS as a bruiser when even with a strict DPS setup and 1000s of strength you won't provide as much damage as a properly played/geared caster or scout.</p><p>/shakes_head</p>

[MakhailSamma]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>MakhailSammael wrote:<div></div><p>Any tank class can tank Epic mobs. Its all group makeup and team "know how". <font color="#ffff00">Its just Gaurdians do it best and I personally prefer giving the person who is best suited for the task the task of doing so.</font> So, why have anyone else do it? </p><p>I like the way our class is set up atm. With the AA's I have gone basicly all <font color="#66ff00">DPS as thats my role in raids 90% of the time and I want to do as much as possible in my role.</font> Sta and Wis FTW!!</p><hr></blockquote><p>You say the statement in yellow...</p><p>and then you say the statement in green.</p><p>Oh the irony.</p><p>Gave me a chuckle at least.</p><p>You let guardians tank because they are better suited for the task yet you try to do DPS as a bruiser when even with a strict DPS setup and 1000s of strength you won't provide as much damage as a properly played/geared caster or scout.</p><p>/shakes_head</p><hr></blockquote><p>I disagree with you. My DPS is deffinately on par with scouts and Casters in my guild (other then Conj and Necro's). In AOE fights, I tend to fair even better then them as their pets cannot stand the damage I can nor avoid AOE's like I can. If you talk to other high end raiding bruisers that have went straight DPS in AA's (Mantis Bolt & Bamboo Twirly thingy) they will tell you the same thing. And my guild and I have been raiding 5 nights a week for about a year now, so we have a pretty good idea on how to play our classes. So, yes, those two sentences do fit in my statement.</p><p> </p><p>Glad you got a chuckle out of my statement. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>MakhailSammael wrote:<div></div><p>I disagree with you.<font color="#ffff00"> My DPS is deffinately on par with scouts and Casters in my guild</font> (other then Conj and Necro's). In AOE fights, I tend to fair even better then them <font color="#ffff00">as their pets cannot stand the damage I can nor avoid AOE's like I can.</font> </p><hr></blockquote>If your DPS is on par and your defense is better, then you're overpowered.  Just fyi.  You are a tank class, eh?

[MakhailSamma]

<div>I'm not arguing who is overpowered and underpowered, I'm just stating the facts ma'am. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Dart]

<div></div><p>I am enjoying the Bruiser class diversity, so much so, that he will be my main very soon. Nice to tank when ya need to, dish dps when ya need to, mezz when ya need to, Fear when ya need to, FD save group if ya need to, Jump off of tall buildings when ya need to (grinn). After playing the Guard class and the warlock class a few of levels, I am finding it is a nice balance of the two. I dont die in one hit, and it doesnt take 5 minutes to kill a mob.</p><p> </p><p>and I was just poking fun at you Gaige, flex on brother, Im sure you own the raid mobz)</p>

[Dart]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>MakhailSammael wrote:<div></div><p>I disagree with you.<font color="#ffff00"> My DPS is deffinately on par with scouts and Casters in my guild</font> (other then Conj and Necro's). In AOE fights, I tend to fair even better then them <font color="#ffff00">as their pets cannot stand the damage I can nor avoid AOE's like I can.</font> </p><hr></blockquote>If your DPS is on par and your defense is better, then you're overpowered.  Just fyi.  You are a tank class, eh?<hr></blockquote>Its not the class, its what is between the ears, granted I properly played [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], or  Mage should out DPS us, but....doesnt mean he wasnt out dps'ing them on raids) /wink

[Gungo]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>MakhailSammael wrote:<div></div><p>I disagree with you.<font color="#ffff00"> My DPS is deffinately on par with scouts and Casters in my guild</font> (other then Conj and Necro's). In AOE fights, I tend to fair even better then them <font color="#ffff00">as their pets cannot stand the damage I can nor avoid AOE's like I can.</font> </p><hr></blockquote>If your DPS is on par and your defense is better, then you're overpowered.  Just fyi.  You are a tank class, eh?<hr></blockquote>Not entirely true gaige you see scouts can tank as well as brawlers now. With the right choice of aa's brawlers cna focus on dps and scouts can focus on defense. Actually i been reading about scouts who take the defensive aa's sayign they tank just as well as brawlers.

[Redlan]

<div></div><p>Regarding this statement : I disagree with you. My DPS is deffinately on par with scouts and Casters in my guild (other then Conj and Necro's). In AOE fights, I tend to fair even better then them as their pets cannot stand the damage I can nor avoid AOE's like I can. </p><p>If your casters are getting hit by AoEs in raid encoutners they probalby DESERVE to die. If thier pets are dying in aoe then yeah there goes thier DPS for that fight. Fact is assasins, most casters and an occasional ranger(since nerf) will out dps Monk/Bruiser in raid parses. We can take them aoe hits but we have to cause, last I checked they did not give us a bow or spells. SoE always prefered the Warrior/Guardian. We can tank it too, almost as well as they can but we'll never be the prime raid tank. Gaige can do it, hell I could probalby do it but it's not what I'd be best at in a raid.</p><p>Sure, throw the Bruisers a bone, give them a [Removed for Content] pet or something but I'm not overley sympathetic cause despite the fact that you guys dont get grp fd, target heal etc people on my server prefer you guys over monks as grp tanks which completly baffles me because, last I knew you guys were slightly better dmg and monks were slightly better defense and while dmg = aggro defense should be a tad more important especially in a grp with hate buffs/debuffs. Granted, the differences are not very large.</p>

[MakhailSamma]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Redlance wrote:<div></div><p>Regarding this statement : I disagree with you. My DPS is deffinately on par with scouts and Casters in my guild (other then Conj and Necro's). In AOE fights, I tend to fair even better then them as their pets cannot stand the damage I can nor avoid AOE's like I can. </p><p>If your casters are getting hit by AoEs in raid encoutners they probalby DESERVE to die. If thier pets are dying in aoe then yeah there goes thier DPS for that fight. Fact is assasins, most casters and an occasional ranger(since nerf) will out dps Monk/Bruiser in raid parses. We can take them aoe hits but we have to cause, last I checked they did not give us a bow or spells. SoE always prefered the Warrior/Guardian. We can tank it too, almost as well as they can but we'll never be the prime raid tank. Gaige can do it, hell I could probalby do it but it's not what I'd be best at in a raid.</p><hr></blockquote><p> I was referring to Pet classes only in regauds to the AOE's hurting their DPS. Though, some AOE's are further in distance then maximum spell range, so occasionally the other casters do get hit. And yes, Assassins and some casters CAN out DPS me on raid mobs. The fact is though, that I can also out DPS them just as often. Hence my term "on par" with them.</p><p> Do you play a bruiser? Did you take the two AA's I previously mentioned? Have you seen my parses? No? Then I guess you'll just have to take my word and the word of the other Bruisers like me that are saying we are on par with T1 DPS when we take the right AA lines. Sure, we sacrifice our defensive AA's and put us even further behind the tanking curve, but thats an option that I choose and the way I like to play my class. I also where a T5 breastplat that has offensive procs in raids even though I have T6 and T7 legendary and Fabled. Doesn't help me in tanking anything and makes me even more apt to die when I get hit, but once again, its how I like to play my class.</p><p> BTW, we also have another very good Bruiser that raids with us as well as a Monk. I parse higher then both of them 95% of the time. Though last night on Harla Dar he had respecced to the same AA's I am using and was right up there with me as well. Last night though on the long burn to clear the adds it was deffinately the Assassin, Pet classes, and Swashy at the top of the parse with me right behind them. During this burn we were out of power often and I cannot keep up with the auto attack damage of the pets and scout classes.</p>

[Aaliel Stonefists]

<div></div><div>Our auto attack damage can be disgusting, and you will lose damage by using CA's too often, if you have a properly set up group.  Illusionist, Berserker, Inquisitor is just unbelievable, since we usually only have one bard and he gets snagged by the main tank group.  Last night in Lab I had 100% haste, 80% dps with that setup, and 100% dps once my strength ring proc'd.  I am currently 4-4-4-8 in the Int line, because I wanted to test the avoidance boost, and 4-3 in stamina.  I was parsing between 800-1000 DPS just using eye gash and blazing lunge, using the Grizzfazzle Staff.  Unless I was using knockout combination that fight, it was almost pointless to CA from the parses I was doing, the auto attack on grizzfazzle was from ranging from 1100 to 2400 with max haste.  I don't even have the proc from the stamina and wisdom lines yet.  I'm respec'ing today, and I can't wait to get 4-4-8 in stamina/wisdom/intelligence, to see how that does.</div>

[Thail]

Umm burn in a fire<div></div>

[QQ-Fatman]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>MakhailSammael wrote:<div></div><p>Any tank class can tank Epic mobs. Its all group makeup and team "know how". <font color="#ffff00">Its just Gaurdians do it best and I personally prefer giving the person who is best suited for the task the task of doing so.</font> So, why have anyone else do it? </p><p>I like the way our class is set up atm. With the AA's I have gone basicly all <font color="#66ff00">DPS as thats my role in raids 90% of the time and I want to do as much as possible in my role.</font> Sta and Wis FTW!!</p><hr></blockquote><p>You say the statement in yellow...</p><p>and then you say the statement in green.</p><p>Oh the irony.</p><p>Gave me a chuckle at least.</p><p>You let guardians tank because they are better suited for the task yet you try to do DPS as a bruiser when even with a strict DPS setup and 1000s of strength you won't provide as much damage as a properly played/geared caster or scout.</p><p>/shakes_head</p><hr></blockquote>hmm.... because there is only one main tank, but many "dps" in a raid.</div>