Bruiser Subclass Poll

[sstair]

<a href="http://sstair.freepolls.com/cgi-bin/polls/009/poll_center.htm" target=_blank>Bruisers - How do you feel the recent changes have affected your class?</a> <a href="http://sstair.freepolls.com/cgi-bin/pollresults/009" target=_blank>View Results</a><div></div>

[ganjookie]

Add me to the happy with changes crowd <div></div>

[geron01]

<DIV>53 Ogre Bruiser >Lavastorm<</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The expansion does bruiser [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] well, cept for one problem i foresee We have been adjusted to a tick less Tanking then the monks, and a tad bit more dps then them with our procin' stances Magmatic fists... But what soe did is lil dirty giving up The dps we should in range I'd say but since we have All the defensive stances/buffs now to make us capable of tanking mobs that prior to the expansion we would never have been capable of tanking, even in full fabled gear t5 I would still get ownd vs mobs that a compareable Monk wouldnt even get touched soloing in Def stance.... So now that Bruisers are the figher combo Dps/Tank its all up to SOE to make up there Mind on our class.. hence we all have seen the complications of people complaining of there classes. now SOE tempts to equalize it... Well They should *STICK* with 1 concept in stead of trying to make every player happy.... hence Guardians atm< i have 50 guard in part fabled as well> Get the shaft.... now since Bruisers are been made tankable we will see problems in future so.... my opinion on the bruiser expansion is as so... SONY MAKE UP yer MIND on bruisers.... yes we fighter based but at the FAR DPS end of scale. opposite of guardians.. now  if ya make the scale all messed  up as you now have..... If they want to make all the scales of Classes equalized then guardians should still me the most dominate tank of fighters as it was before... then way down to bruisers with opposite based skills of mild tank, and major "fighter DPS"  For the Monks that were speaking, " IM a fighter i deserver to tank raid mobs, yeah they deserve to have a hard [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time staying alive from the pummeling on there low MITI vs. epics... like should be.... if raid tank is BRawler based and guards doing DPS. think we got a wrong concept going on here... at most Brawlers should be OFF/ADD tanks at most. There will be more drastic changes and complications in upcoming future with the bruiser class and my SOE hold our future . GOD help us....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Overall </DIV> <DIV>Slimm Thug....</DIV>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<P>Was that a post, or stream of conscious?</P> <P>I think I gleaned your general point though... Guardians should be the only tanks used, all other tanks should be relegated to offtanking position. Or at least Bruisers should be.</P> <P>The tanking difference is very little between the classes now, as is intended. Brawlers can tank just as well as Warriors in most situations. You won't be hurting to have a Brawler for your tank now.<BR><BR>DPS difference between tanks is also very little. I've seen Guardians pulling down some very good DPS when in offtank mode. Most just don't try it though.. there's the whole "I'm supposed to be the best tank, so I can't be offtank" mindset.</P> <P><BR>All tanks should be able to fill the role of MT in all situations. Some will do better in certain situations, others in other situations. Notice that each tank has their own massive boost to a resist now as well... against certain raid encounters, it may be better to have someone other than a guardian tanking.</P>

[Traigus]

My Bruiser jsut hit 50 on Friday <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> yay for me. I definitely have been tanking well since the CC, and even decently before (small guild no raids). I was talking to some guardian friands who are also pretty happy with the CC, and their ability to do damage when not tanking. One of them came up with a very legit problem.  It is much more expensive to be a guardian (at least a non-raid one). These cost points are true for zerks, pally and SKs too. 1.) ebon is shared with a HQ, so prices of their crafted T5 armor are driven up, while bruiser/monk  leather is generally cheaper. 2.) guards have to have a DPS set of weapons (2H or dual weild) and a TANK weapon /sheild combo.  Bruisers/monks don't.. though a lot of us may have dual and 2H options for looks. Generally we trade off tanking duties depending on day.  I will say that post CC, hands down, pallies own undead...then pallies take their lunch money and kick sand in their faces at the beach. -T <div></div>

[kildarn]

<P>My bruisers new motto is "Punch, 50% more angry with every fight".  Before the revamp I loved my bruiser.  I tanked almost all of the time and could lay down real nice dps on the occasions I wasn't the tank.  Reading some of the beta notes and all I was a bit worried that we were gettin nerf batted real hard.  That was not the case at all.  My 50 bruiser has become a monster.  Holding agro is even easier now while tanking.  I do even more damage then before while tanking and I can stand up to much more abuse.  As a dps role with the new damage proc's I have no problem holding my own in that area.</P> <P>All in all I'm really enjoying Bruiser 2.0 and have pretty much no complaints about it.</P>

[Turb]

<blockquote><hr> 2.) guards have to have a DPS set of weapons (2H or dual weild) and a TANK weapon /sheild combo.  Bruisers/monks don't.. though a lot of us may have dual and 2H options for looks. < <div></div><hr></blockquote>I thought general advice was to go 2H when tanking, to get less ripostes, and dual wield when off tank for a little more dps?

[DomanderDarklig]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Turb0T wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 2.) guards have to have a DPS set of weapons (2H or dual weild) and a TANK weapon /sheild combo.  Bruisers/monks don't.. though a lot of us may have dual and 2H options for looks.<BR><<BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>I thought general advice was to go 2H when tanking, to get less ripostes, and dual wield when off tank for a little more dps?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you know i was wondering about this and i think post revamp duel wield is just as good and better dps too. since they reduced parry mobs riposte less

[geron01]

<P>Ok well yes that last post is kinda my random irritated thoughts on the matter.... Well since the expansion has come out I've seen alot of up and coming problems with our love of bruisers.... ATM the tanking position is all messed up... Being part of the most Dominate guild game wide... On our server LAVASTORM,, i hold the bruiser title atm.... Most master1s almost a full set atm... using both MASTER1 taunts w/ the scouts and mages most of all getting such a high DPs nerf to them even a chanter with there new proc dps off the melees Is near IMPOSSIBLE to hold agro even if im juicing the dps and taunts.... and im 1-2lvls ahead of them.  My 2 guardians in guild that have OWNED tanking prior to expansion can hold agro much better then any bruiser with max skills and power taunting... even with the DPS we have over all the other fighter classes the HATE issue atm is all messed up vs scout / mage DPS... now for you that are new to the t6 and have yet to GROUP with real mastered toons theres not much of chance for success of a positive group.. I ve noticed since past tuesday when all went live that bruiser MT a group of 6 is a waste of time and very pathetic exp outcome hence not good at tanking 4lvls or above us .... at 53 tanking 57s or high poses a very difficult challange .... with a group of 6 ya have to work yer [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] off till ya hands sweat... i see alot of changes in future to our loved bruisers.... this is coming from my opinion with have 50 guard 50 templar 45zerker and a handfull of other higher end t4-t6 toons... Im good friends with the 2 most DOMINATE monks on our server hands down... now i know that the monks got a touch better of tanking atm over bruisers but at same point in time with ALL FABLED armor on and mastered defensive stance/buff our mit is about 1700-1800 with 65% avoid.... well a guardian with all fabled and defence stance up with shield was at 3800miti and 55-60% avoid... now that them stats have been compared in tanking and seeing the guardian still own tanking is lil reasuring and also a problem.... the taunting on guardian is a real problem well amoungst all the fighters atm... and Bruiser being now a combo fighter from the Extream DPs end to able to buff with our 54 miti buff, the thing i see is bruisers able to tank higher end mobs... well thats great n all, but at same time why does anyone want to be a DPS wet paper tank... When ya make your toon and if ya have looked into any of the fighter classes BRAWLERS should not be MTs... and like i said in 1st post should stay on the DPS end hanging with the scouts.... and being off tanks for say as expample able to tank and rip Vox's adds and not die in a milla second... at most i believe that when ya Define bruiser even on soe web page... ya dont pick that class to become a Main tank.. ya pick it to be mildy sturdy vs some moderate damage, and have a high end damage out put. hence bruiser equaling a a mid grade scout dps... Oviously fighters are tier 3 rank dps... but when we get into it brawlers should be mid end t2 dps while guards should get the high end TAUNTS that hold... DEF buffs 2 to stack for more hps hence how the hell SOE jack guardians hps so low is disturbing......... vs how they made brawlers hps close to guardians... thats lil backwards...         Over all I wish soe gets all these < sucks i was late on getting with the forums/test server wish i had gotten my word in towards all this prior> But for the sake of the game i really hope SOE understands that making every complaint of some players WIsHING that Brawlers could tank like guardians is totaly messed up and they need to check them selves and look at the class they picked... hrmmm Guardian....=tank.............. Bruiser= [Removed for Content] tank. yeah right thats dps son... and lil bit of tanking.... oposite end of the globe from a guardian in the fighter world....     now that all that is said... I hope you all that read this understand what im trying to get acrost and assist with positive /feedback on yer server about what they have done to the fighter class bruiser and rest of them.....</P> <P>Slimm Thug 53<before ya read this ill be 54> Ogre bruiser... Boss Bruiser of..</P> <P>The Downward  Spiral on Lavastorm...........</P>

[Gungo]

Dunno seems to me like your a guard complaining that bruisers can tank. I tanked Broog in a pickup group and pretty much every group i am in i tank. I do decent dps. Whats your point really? you said Guards can tank better and tautn better why are you lookign to nerf bruisers tanking and raise thier dps to scout lvl? Is havign other fighters able to tank comparable to you really hurt your ego that much? <DIV>[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]/ranger, wiz/warlcok do way more dps then us, but you know what that doesnt bother me because i do decent dps for what i need. People who play Guardians are genrally messed up. Half the class says they liek the changes the other half just crys constantly abou other classes. They never offer any sort of ideas on how to fix their class other then nerfing everyone else until they should be the one and only class tanking. There is nothing wrong with Bruiser please go away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if you are havign trouble tanking or holding agro learn your class. We now have 4 stuns and 2 taunts and rescue. Upgrade quarrel line to adept 3 if u still have problems. Make sure al your taunts are master/adept 3 becuase i doubt you have full 50+ master already. Use your stuns to max duration and postion youself behind the mob for dirty/kidney punch, crushing fury line for max dps. In a bind w adds?  fear/mezz them, until your single tautn is up. The Single target taunt has a fast recast. Lastly dont go for gear w max dps in mind. If you have agro problems there is plenty of gear out their that you can set your play style too. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Problems holdign agro go for vulcanized stuff w madden/bewilder procs or other agro procs, go for items w stun stifle procs instead of dd procs. Why becuase stilfe/stun > dd on agro and you take less damage. Cryptic reinforced tunic has stifle and slow/dd proc. That is  way better then dd or strength bonus the Gi's offer. Now if it is epics you are tanking then the stun/stilfe procs may not work as well and the dd procs will be better or the taunt/hate postion procs like madden. Finally if you don't have fabled jewlery w soem decent procs get jewlery w + crushing mitigation becuase it still adds to you mititgation even though they removed mitigation from jewerly. Keep strappign spirit off unless you are using/need it. 3 min reuse is pain, but you can work around it a little. ( i wish they would reduce it to 1 min reuse). Use Agi dolls or Sta dolls if you alreayd hit agi cap of 7 X your level. Str adds way to lil atm. Buy a ruby agi/sta/wis ring (str one too) the buffs stack and ruby rings add more. (can't afford that buy bloodstone 20gp tops on most servers). Remeber Wis reduces spell dam. When you respec go for max sta/ hp pool if you want to tank. I hit the 350 agi cap self buffed at 50 when dof came out. I played w wizards w all adept 3/master spells and yes they cna draw agro if they nuke early or when i am pulling, but genrally on single target mobs you should not lose agor that easily. On aoe encounters w multiple mobs i cna loose agro easier, but if you know its coming use intercept on wizard/warlock before pull. Pull, and while runnign back clic battle fury buff line on, Remember buffs still cause agro. Then use group taunt, bonebreaker, then cast savage blows when all in melee range, start an HO complete it, then proceed to use stuns and positional  atks. I have yet to lose agor this way. Most it does is may annoy a scouts every now and then if you dotn get in front of the mob quick enuff. Don't just stand there clicking combat arts waitng for tautn to pop, becuase you will lose agro. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Edit: Broog was pretty fun killed him first try. First thing i did was cast snare doll slow while i was solo to agro him and when he nuked me i faked. (master fake death owns) This is how i foudn out his resists divine/slash ( i learned later he has a some crushing combat art dam). Then i set up the mt group as best i could with what i had. Buffed up to  max and pulled. Bam he hit me w a 50% hp and 100% power. I called for power dump i rescued, mend, stun defenesive, and hit auto atk. still gettign power dumped. when stone stance wore off i used group taunt, single tautn and used my debuff combat art. all i had mana for was taunts and debuff atk and i never lost agro. (and before someone crys about a bruiser tankign an epic x2 a gaurdian in only ebon armour and fabled shield/prismatic ended up tanking Broog in SS2 shortly after i did)( i havent tested any of the new raid instances yet as the AoE in them are insane atm)</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:50 AM</span>

[Traigus]

<span><blockquote><hr>Turb0T wrote:<blockquote><hr> 2.) guards have to have a DPS set of weapons (2H or dual weild) and a TANK weapon /sheild combo.  Bruisers/monks don't.. though a lot of us may have dual and 2H options for looks. < <div></div><hr></blockquote>I thought general advice was to go 2H when tanking, to get less ripostes, and dual wield when off tank for a little more dps?<hr></blockquote> That's what I do when I remember.  I'm usually main tank in my guild groups...and I'm often called in to mentor down and tank things for HQ etc. I forget to equip my 2H a lot.  With stats meaning more after the CC, Dual Weild may be better off inthe long run now... most 2H have relatively sub-par + stats on them (for poor non-/pickup raiders like myself that is). When  I respeced  I took some HP options, so I don't fear ripos as much as I did in the past.  I find ^^^ to be less likely to spike damage then before.  Again, I'm not a hardcore raider, but with an on the ball healer (sometimes 2) I haven't had an issue strong enough to make me go "hey I should take out my 2H" wile in DoF or the oldworld since the CC. The few times I have raided (C Hollow for Ghoulbane, and CoD for octo and the capt) since the CC, I have trucked out the 2H, but it may be habit and superstition over need.  Both times I was menoring down as well. -T </span><div></div>

[geron01]

<P>hahah.. Naa not even like that... And i dont dought ya tanked a x2 giant,... giants are sissy mobs,,, with bruisers agi. and avoidence with decent to good healer aye ya can tank that panzy Broog the  Banished.... not what im saying Im saying IF ALL FIGhTERS can tank EPICS... [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is the point of the range of fighter... ya need to keep the scale of Guard,Zkr,Pal,SK,Mnk,Bruiser......and repeat for dps opposite of that from tanking.. and no I dont like my guard more then my bruiser.. but makes no sence to have 6 fighters all able to do same shiit.... [Removed for Content] is the purpose to having a mass wave of fighter tanks all the same.. thats weaksauce.... And yes I dont think BRuiser should have that much tanking power and yes I CAN TANK lvl 59^^^s,... and now I got my master 1 +1000miti buff at lvl 54 with bloodlust master2 Yes my bruiser is SICK and can tank shiit NP... and problem with the agro... I was trioing with healer and MAGEs at 1st as they where nuking/ procing for like 5-10k in uinder 10seconds you cant hold that if ya spam yer shiit... trust me I Know bruisers and for ya to say that is ignorant on yer part for say any player with that amount of hrs. in with all my toon on one of the most DOMINATE guilds game wide... bring it... Ill teach ya something... Top it off my overall concept on the forums has been What im saying is BruisERS need to be put in 1 genral direction and yes guardians do need a lil bit of assistance.....im just lookin out for my buddies regards of my guard.... And for ya to be all stoked to be tanking epics... thats great n all... but your just greedy with the bruisers skills atm and enjoying being the main face in party tanking.... its cool w/e but since i started day 3 of eq2 I dont see how they can take a DPS based wet toliet paper of a tank <BRUISER> and make it tankable at guardian lvl.. thats not cool....  All im saying is that the Fighter Def./taunt/Off. should scale accordingly with the guard being at top end of defence/hps and bruiser at end of fighter sphere with that but having the DPS advantage.... and guys people say guardians cant dps... with a RGF and O stance.. they dps [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] well for what have been done to them... so like i said i just think soe needs to tweek out our beloved bruisers to make sure that in 1 year we dont get SHAFTED from having to much power....... Think ahead not in yer moment of glory tanking a weaksauce of a x2.....</P> <P> </P> <P>Slimm Thug , Boss Bruiser of Lavastorm........</P> <P>"The Dark Side" will consume you.........</P>

[Gungo]

<P>Was that English? </P> <P>well from what i got of that post is you lost agro when the mage (i doubt healer) did 5-10k dam in 10 secs. Well i am sorry to tell you they should leanr not to nuke so early agro control is now more then 1 persons job. Even guards have a hard time holding agro from a nuke happy wizard. Nice you got master miti buff now go get master/adept 3 taunts, use your stuns effectively to hold a mob and genrate agro and tell your wizards not to nuke on inc.</P> <P>"DPS based wet toliet paper of a tank <BRUISER" <P>And that right there says you don't even know your class or you should of just rolled a scout. </P> <P>Gratz on being in the one of self claimed top guilds. Not everyoen in a top end guild is a good player. It normally means they just have alot of free time. Especially now adays w population being so short most top end guilds take people that are semi-compatent w ALOT of free play time. Seriously How many peopel has your guild turned down because they were not the best character at their class. I am sure somewhere down the line there was a semicompatent person your guild invited because they were nice and willing to learn, but lacked some raid skills. I have seen casual guild rangers pre-revamp solo ICEBERG and i have seen the top end raid guild ranger in full fabled die trying. Skill is not based on your guild tag it sbased on the player. Although alot of well played characters are in high end guilds. In other words your credentials mean nothing w/o examples.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:55 AM</span>

[Ildarus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gungo wrote:<BR> <P>Was that English?</P> <P>well from what i got of that post is you lost agro when the mage (i doubt healer) did 5-10k dam in 10 secs. Well i am sorry to tell you they should leanr not to nuke so early agro control is now more then 1 persons job. Even guards have a hard time holding agro from a nuke happy wizard. Nice you got master miti buff now go get master/adept 3 taunts, use your stuns effectively to hold a mob and genrate agro and tell your wizards not to nuke on inc.</P> <P>"DPS based wet toliet paper of a tank And that right there says you don't even know your class or you should of just rolled a scout.</P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>Gratz on being in the one of self claimed top guilds. Not everyoen in a top end guild is a good player. It normally means they just have alot of free time. Especially now adays w population being so short most top end guilds take people that are semi-compatent w ALOT of free play time. Seriously How many peopel has your guild turned down because they were not the best character at their class. I am sure somewhere down the line there was a semicompatent person your guild invited because they were nice and willing to learn, but lacked some raid skills. I have seen casual guild rangers pre-revamp solo ICEBERG and i have seen the top end raid guild ranger in full fabled die trying. Skill is not based on your guild tag it sbased on the player. Although alot of well played characters are in high end guilds. In other words your credentials mean nothing w/o examples.</FONT></STRONG></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Gungo on <SPAN class=date_text>09-20-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>07:55 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>[Removed for Content]!! OH SO TRUE

[geron01]

<DIV>You guys all to funny... And spare time.. my RL is very busy being a Genral contractor for my HT cities most pristine remodeling outfit calls for 40-60hrs a week... Now that, that was said ENGLISH, Sorry school boys I didnt care to have a pocket protecter in school so sthu.. next Knowing my class [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], hear me yes what i said.... AS been playing since eq2 opened I Have had time over vacations etc and i still after work grind every night with my 2 accounts 2boxxing my toons So yes naturaly I will have an array of HIGH lvl toons,.. From my priests from 45-50 and my fighters, I have worked out to least 40-55 atm Berserker41,Pally44,Guardian50,Bruiser54, my  good buddies in guild that i have grouped with/raided with and dueled... I have seen the skills of some of the greatest players possible in the game... and yes the skills of a SOLO ARTIST vs a solid RAID player is slightly different.... but both great in there own way.... Now back to the point of this forum... I have an ASN now nearing 40 same with my wifes troubador..... And no I WONT REROLL A SCOUT I GOT some already.... And BRUISER regardless what you PAPER tanks want are crazy in believing that BRAWLERS should be able to TANK same stuff a guardian should....  more or less yer jealous of there leadership part of battles and how they have owned RAID TANKING... not saying that ALL fighters shouldnt be able to TANK groups for sure not what im saying but to consider yer selfs compareable to a GUARDIAN in epic tanking is simply SHORTBUS material... Now that all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] fighters Hate on bruisers cause WE own fighter DPS hands down... and now can Buff out to near Guardian miti. with way more Avoid - lil deflection I agree with most of ya haters on this part.... As this game works since eq1 each subclass should play a certian roll, now that each class has its range of DEf-Off. Guardian will and should always be the TOP tank it would be absolutly rediculous to see brawler MTing and guardian in back dpsing<WHAT DPS> thats totaly and completely [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] backwards.... Now About monks vs bruisers yes guys Guess what i agree with ya<dont wanna admit it> but I am.... Bruiser should stay a tick about monks in dps and vis versa monk should have tick better def. for tanking... that would straiten out this mess a bit.... And yes Bruisers are the dps of the fighters cry about it if ya want or what ever... but if played right are insane DPSers... now in t6 i can parse a SOLID 500+ dps ez with hardly getting clicky.... i havent tryed a GOOD Epic yet just the TRASH around SS and LT etc... posing on 55 atm My main Slimm Ogre bruiser has over 24 master skills NOT including master2 that were added into game after expansion.... all my t5 is im not joking sickly mastered... i think missing 1 book atm.... my t6 is nowadept3 and master 1 / 2s , gear wise im still rocking the t5 fabled Gi of madness VolcanicShoudlers etc that good stuff jewelry parrtial fabled rest leg. or sick statted treasured like my earring +18str etc.... Now explaining what im working with on my bruiser I have to comment on the over nuking mage comments... yes I only group with my guildies and yes my guild mages are sick like my bruiser mastered out nuking for INSANE amounts of damge... even with me pwning dps and spaming MASTER1 Instigate and abuse, and ubah mage will Pwn my hate and dps and rip with ease even 50% into the fight.... Now that has been said... next topic.... Knowing my bruiser... for you wanna be short bus people wishing ya had half chance to be in GUILDS that own servers well If ya that [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] good join one they should accept ya... and yes we do turn down people... and fire alot of them cause they attitude or skillz lack the determination to strive in this game to best they can... and Our guild isnt some lil happy family with warm smiles and mommy waiting to make us food when we log on.. WE are and ARMY of toons that are here to rule this game not just play it... hence not all fit in or able to stay with us..... So for the haters .... ya know where to go... and what to say "SHHHHHH" i dont care about ya.. yanuttin but weaksause and simply [Removed for Content]... Now knowledge of bruiser... well Gdamn I think after my accomplisments and playing of Slimm for past 6months i dont even have to argue my skillz people from LAVASTORM know my skills and my toon verywell and respect my gaming,.....So proving it to so inferior players or = ubah bruisers makes lil to no difference to me.... to backup what i was stating in past few posts.....</DIV> <DIV>All im trying to say is that yes bruisers atm are lil bit to over powered tank wise... agreed with ya monks<raij. i agree with yabro> and should remain a fighter dps with lil less tanking power then monks should have......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> but............. if soe wanna keep me as is... so be it ill rock this toon till game ends.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW all reading my forums Im not trying to get into lil beefs or childish tizzies over whos better or w/e realy could care less but not gunna let ya tell me some weak stuff like WANT DPS reroll... kma.... I out dps most scout cause I know how to rock my toon..... and yes after expansion still out dps ya scouts<most of them> so w/e..............mages tho now thats DPS>then all as  should be.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lavastorms Boss Bruiser Slimm Thug.............</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>T.D.S. owns you.................</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ganjookie]

I gave up trying to read that post after the first "sentence" sorry mate, hope you had something good in there

[Gungo]

Yeah i got to i am a genral contractor that fell off a shortbus and i couldn't stop laughing.  O well you didn't miss much in that post he was basically saying he and his guild are awesome and the greatest players in the game while they are some sort of army etc etc. <p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:40 PM</span>

[Jezekie]

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[SennSei]

Indeed! It seems like you have something worth hearing. However, attempting to read what you wrote hurts my eyes, so I have to stop after the 2nd line. Please, learn how to use common grammer. At least use the enter button to break up your thoughts into something that could be called paragraphs.thanks,Senn

[TunaBoo]

Leave slimm alone, he is my bruiser. He may not make much sense but he does 500 dps, so he is alright by me ;P /need a translator with him sometime. <div></div>

[Sa]

With a name like Slimm Thug you kinda figure he would be hard to understand. What thought process did you use to pick a name like that? Hey wait isnt that a rapper? /reported

[RobCardIV]

HaHa. Its not 500 DPS if you do 500 DPS in 1 second. and then have to wait 30 seconds to recast the spell =p... I was totally mad about the Fear / Mend NERF. I absolutely loved the wait bruisers tanked. They didnt tank as well, but if you used your fear and sleep spell correctly, you still did very decently. It was very neat contrast. You had to fear the strongest Add, and could nearly chain fear it. That was very very fun imo. Group tuant + fear FTW.   It was actualy a fun role..  But. not we just stand still and tank them all better.  more boring than before. but at least we can tank. lol.  Im actualy loving the bruiser changes. If were nerfed by a good bit in any ways, ill be bored of it and leave. Atm its fun. Classes in Eq2 allll suffer from boringness.  the classes are horridly specific. You get 1 role, and nothing else. even then, you only get 1 path of 1 type of 1 role... You ever played the druid class from Blizards World of warcraft?... That was impressively impressivly CREATIVE.... every class of WoW is quit CREATIVE. thats my biggest complaint about Eq2. Its a great game. its better than WoW in hundreds of ways. But the class / role design is far far inferior. Altho i do very much love the martial artist, avoidance, DPS class bruiser idea. That is quite frankly the only class ill ever play in eq2. and when im done with it, sony will no longer recieve my cash. its not a matter of dislike of eq2. its a matter of shier lack of creativness. each class has 1 joke, and 1 way to do it..... boooooRIIIING. example. Eq1 Bard. Master of nothing, Very talented at nearly every role.  Youd never pick the bard over the Main version, but you would LOVE to have a bard in place of that class if nothing else. the eq2 bard was [Removed for Content] HAHA HA GIMPED. Hey new bard.. pick a gimpy DPS role or a Gimpy Buff role. your not gona be great at either one, and thats really all you get to pick from. So. no more fun there. <div></div>

[Jvaloth]

<DIV>Bruisers are freaking over powered now.    </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You guys can tank just as good as any plate tank I've seen.  You do consistant dps considerably higher than assassin's average dps. You can heal yourselves. You have higher base hps!   Feign Death!   5k bruiser "assassinate"...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bruisers can do things that other classes could only dream of..    they've got it all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The next Zerkers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>can tank just as good as any plate tank </FONT></DIV> <DIV>We have less "end result" HP compared to plate tanks (no hp or stamina buffs, they have easier to find stamina items since they have access to chain and plate too).</DIV> <DIV>They have more and better taunts when it comes to groups, and they are virtually equal when it comes to single targets (they just don't do as much damage).</DIV> <DIV>This is not even close to "as good as"... we will still get one-shotted easier than plate tanks against raid encounters. We have less end hitpoint total and less mitigation...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>consistant dps considerably higher than assassin's average dps</FONT> <DIV>I have yet to see this. I've grouped with plenty of the scout and mage castes, and all of them have an easy time doing more damage than me when I'm in DPS mode. I have to work VERY hard to even approach them, and when I do I risk getting aggro, and run out of power FAST. If we are chain pulling, or if it's a long group x2 or more fight, I will run out of power and my overall DPS will be shot. We are good at burst, not good at sustained. Sustained is what counts (chain pulling or epics).<BR>I have all power regen traits, GEBS, and use manastone all the time... I'm constantly the lowest in power if I try and go all out with DPS.</DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>You can heal yourselves</FONT><BR>So can Paladins and Shadowknights... in fact, the majority of tanks can heal themselves or others in some fashion. Oh wait, Beserkers get a group, in combat  HP regen... so unless Guardians get that too, only 1 of the 6 tanks can't heal in some fashion. And actually, many non-priest classes have some kind of regeneration. This is by far not the providence of the Bruiser.<BR>Oh... and it costs us power now too (5% at a time) which is in short supply if I'm supposed to be doing more damage than the assassin. AND it's been reduced to a 25-32% range. AND we don't have the 60 second timer anymore, has to be 90 seconds.<BR>To be honest, I can't afford the power to cast this that often anymore...</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>You have higher base hps!</FONT><BR>So what? Have you been paying attention to what people have been saying? It's like 100 more HP at base... before adding in Stamina buffs or straight up HP buffs that classes <EM>other than brawlers</EM> get. PLUS, considering the spikey nature of avoidance, it only makes sense to have a higher hitpoint total on the avoidance tanks so we can survive those 3 lower mitigated hits in a row situations. Not that we get higher end result HPs anyways.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Feign Death!</FONT><BR>And Shadowknights get Evac... some scouts get FD along WITH their Evac. This is just a bit of utility that never comes up when you are in MT role since FDing before you are going to die means you've killed someone else in the group and failed at being a tank. At best it allows us to save a wipe if we are offtanking.. which half the other classes can do in some fashion or another (wardens, SKs, wizards and all scouts get evac).<BR>I'm surprised you didn't bring up fear... however, once again other classes get this gem too (dirges and inquisitors, that I know of.. possibly others? Necro? Oh wait, Warlocks have a fear attached to their root).</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Bruisers can do things that other classes could only dream of..    they've got it all.</FONT><BR>We can solo things better than most because we have a nice array of crowd control. That's about it.<BR>Guess what... group xp is still 10 times better than solo. Most of what we get won't help us tank better than the other tanks, at best it gives us some use as an offtank/utility spot in the group. I'm always outdamaged by the DPS classes if I'm pacing myself, and I'm (now) an "adequate" tank for non-raid situations.</P> <P> </P> <P>Are the people who whine on these boards playing the same game? Or are they just reading the boards and reposting stuff they read without any experience or hard data? I play a Bruiser, Dirge and Warlock all in tier 5 (moving into t6)... and I've played with all types of Fighter, Scouts and Mages with each of my characters. The only thing I can say is that my Bruiser can now call himself a true tank... my Dirge is outdamaged by everyone but the priests, but that's only because I'm making them do that much more damage... and my everyone has a hard time beating my Warlock in DPS, won't even come close if it's a group and I don't have to worry about aggro (a Warrior is tanking).</P> <P>To me, things are sitting right where they should be, on the fundemental level. There's a few problems here and there (<EM>devs: make pristine berylium bangle wrist, not waist</EM>!)... but there's not glaring issues that was so evident before the revamp.</P> <P>Excuse me while I go back to having fun.</P><p>Message Edited by Raidi Sovin'faile on <span class=date_text>09-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:09 AM</span>

[familyguyfan95]

<P>like my daddy always said....you have to learn to use what you got.  </P> <P>we cant take a shot like a plate armor tank thats a fact...we have to be more sly and cunning and use our skills that we have to make sure we protect our group.  when i loose 1200 hps and only have 5500 thats a big chunk of change.  We have a heal...does like 35% of our hit points..but its reuser timer is 1.5 mins.  </P> <P>So you either have to kick that monsters butt real fast or make sure to buy enough time for that recast time to come back. </P> <P> Thats why the mezes and fears are such an important thing.  i team up with a necro and an inquis and on team speak we let each other know when someone is mezzing a mob or fearing  a mob.  it buys the that precious time for me to use my heals along with the necros heals(yes necros have heals now) and the inquistors heals.  </P> <P>To focus on what someone  doesnt have is irrealavent to the game....you need to focus on what that other person has that can help you achive your ultimate victory.  </P> <P>Tanking is a sweet science....and now with the revamp seems to be a little harder to control now with other classes doing way more damage than they used to.  But if all tanks learn how to master their skills we should all be fairly efficent and be able to get the job done.  Some maybe over powered..some maybe underpowered..either way you have to use what you've got.  </P> <P>If i am unable to tank an epic so be it.  i wont complain one bit.  i'll laugh my [Removed for Content] off when i get dropped in one hit.  but i still feel that i have something to offer that group/raid that wants to take it down.  If i cant tank it i will help that tank out with my sheilding(shrug off buffs)  if they want someone else to give their avoidance buffs to  the main tank then i take solice in knowing whatever group has me will get my 18% group dps buff(tell me thats not wanted!)  if i can step in and take the brunt force to save a healer and the raid/group is a success then i have done my job.  </P> <P>A bruiser is no better or no worse than anyone else. Its learning how to use our ablilites and not our class that makes us  a good player or bad player.</P>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> familyguyfan95 wrote:<BR> <P>like my daddy always said....you have to learn to use what you got.  </P> <P>we cant take a shot like a plate armor tank thats a fact...we have to be more sly and cunning and use our skills that we have to make sure we protect our group.  when i loose 1200 hps and only have 5500 thats a big chunk of change.  We have a heal...does like 35% of our hit points..but its reuser timer is 1.5 mins.  </P> <P>So you either have to kick that monsters butt real fast or make sure to buy enough time for that recast time to come back. </P> <P> Thats why the mezes and fears are such an important thing.  i team up with a necro and an inquis and on team speak we let each other know when someone is mezzing a mob or fearing  a mob.  it buys the that precious time for me to use my heals along with the necros heals(yes necros have heals now) and the inquistors heals.  </P> <P>To focus on what someone  doesnt have is irrealavent to the game....you need to focus on what that other person has that can help you achive your ultimate victory.  </P> <P>Tanking is a sweet science....and now with the revamp seems to be a little harder to control now with other classes doing way more damage than they used to.  But if all tanks learn how to master their skills we should all be fairly efficent and be able to get the job done.  Some maybe over powered..some maybe underpowered..either way you have to use what you've got.  </P> <P>If i am unable to tank an epic so be it.  i wont complain one bit.  i'll laugh my [Removed for Content] off when i get dropped in one hit.  but i still feel that i have something to offer that group/raid that wants to take it down.  If i cant tank it i will help that tank out with my sheilding(shrug off buffs)  if they want someone else to give their avoidance buffs to  the main tank then i take solice in knowing whatever group has me will get my 18% group dps buff(tell me thats not wanted!)  if i can step in and take the brunt force to save a healer and the raid/group is a success then i have done my job.  </P> <P>A bruiser is no better or no worse than anyone else. Its learning how to use our ablilites and not our class that makes us  a good player or bad player.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm becoming a bit of a fan of this feller's pots, despite the fact he's from Texas.