So...

[Pauleh]

<DIV>How well do we actually do in PvP, as 1 on 1 and grouped, beta testers?</DIV>

[Jezekie]

Pretty well, I did a bit of arena PvP and a coupple duels. My experinces vs other subclasses is...Brigands and Assassins are a royal pain, if they land their long duration stun they'll flank you and drop you like a bad habbit.Dirges - They'll use long duration mez turn invis, and beat you up while you're standing there looking stupid, tho you only really need one good opportunity to drop them as well with stuns and high damage attacks.Rangers - they'll snare you and try and kite you with bow attacks and high damage ranged attacks. Close the distance fast and drop them ASAP.Paladins will stun you, and stun you some more, and they'll also stun you. Did I mention they'll stun you? Betable, but anoying. But since heals were boosted, they are probably even harder to fight.Other bruisers, given similar buffs/gear it's very very even and can easily turn either way from near flawless to very close fights.Mages? Fighting mages was like stepping on bugs in real life... SQUISH, didn't manage to find one that lived long enough to make a good fight.Didn't fight priests.<div></div>

[Pauleh]

<DIV>thank you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Sasaki Koji]

didnt fight any Shadowknights? Wimp! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[MakhailSamma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Jezekiell wrote:<BR>Pretty well, I did a bit of arena PvP and a coupple duels. My experinces vs other subclasses is...<BR><BR><BR>Brigands and Assassins are a royal pain, if they land their long duration stun they'll flank you and drop you like a bad habbit.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Does our ability to black and parry from behind help at all here? Are we able to beat them? What about our ability to remove mental effects?</FONT><BR><BR>Dirges - They'll use long duration mez turn invis, and beat you up while you're standing there looking stupid, tho you only really need one good opportunity to drop them as well with stuns and high damage attacks.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>What about our ability to remove mental effects on this as well?</FONT><BR><BR>Rangers - they'll snare you and try and kite you with bow attacks and high damage ranged attacks. Close the distance fast and drop them ASAP.<BR><BR>Paladins will stun you, and stun you some more, and they'll also stun you. Did I mention they'll stun you? Betable, but anoying. But since heals were boosted, they are probably even harder to fight.<BR><BR>Other bruisers, given similar buffs/gear it's very very even and can easily turn either way from near flawless to very close fights.<BR><BR>Mages? Fighting mages was like stepping on bugs in real life... SQUISH, didn't manage to find one that lived long enough to make a good fight.<BR><BR>Didn't fight priests.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Danan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sasaki Kojiro wrote:<BR>didnt fight any Shadowknights? Wimp! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I took down a SK in about 30sec, all he really did was HT me and run around. Mez move to the back stun stun stun and you will see that most classes go down easy

[Jezekie]

360 degree Parry and Block effectiveness is quite helpful sure, but they unload Massive damage. I never once managed to break any of their stuns or the bard mez with Cerebral Will. Looking back on my duels/Arena fights I only ever broke free from a stun once or twice. Granted it was App1 it should still have been able to tackle some of the effects. The biggest issue though is that some of their attacks aren't based on Mental resistance.Monks are a bit better off in that case, since their self heal line can cure Nox effects and their "will" line can cure Elemental.

[Redbed]

<DIV>Devastating Fist works on pets.  Most times though its better to ignore the pets.  Its all about the stuns.</DIV>

[Pauleh]

which attacks stun, from 1 - 60?

[Sa]

<DIV>50th bruiser here wearing a mixture of fabled and t5 rares. Dueled a good bit last night and results are as follows:</DIV> <DIV>50 Dirge fought twice one weaponless once with. Weaponless I got owned. Dont know why but I did. With weapons barely broke a sweat beating the poor gal.</DIV> <DIV>50 Paladin was annoying at best stunning me but he went out of power healing himself as I beat him down. Wasnt much of a fight.</DIV> <DIV>50 ranger tried to kite me but once I got my stun chain going he went down easier than any other.</DIV> <DIV>50 necro I kept his pet feared and mezzed and chased the necro around. Once I got my hands on him it was very fast and painful death for him.</DIV> <DIV>50 warlock didnt give him a chance to root nuke me. As soon as fight started mezzed him got behind and stunned and hit him with back satb stunned again and closed with our combo skill. Fight was less than a minute.</DIV> <DIV>50 SK from my guild was very well equipped and knew what he was doing. He beat me 3 times in a row. I could get him orange but by then i was near death.</DIV> <DIV>Just my exp. dueling.</DIV> <DIV>Frontline Tigerstyle</DIV> <DIV>A/B server</DIV> <DIV>Exaulted</DIV>

[MakhailSamma]

<DIV>Here is how it went for me: LVL 50 Bruiser with about 3 fables and rest legendary stuff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a 50 monk 4 times. First time I forgot to eat/drink and was using only 1 buff (still had not figured them out completely) and got beaten in a close fight.. once I was all buffed, took him down pretty soundly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next foughta 50 pally, easy fight really except a bit long due to his heals.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next fought a 50 Templar first time got the drop on him with my stuns and stifles and dropped him real fast, 2nd time he was ready and though I wouldbeat him down, he would just heal back up.. fight lasted a long time and eventually I ran out of power and he slowly beat me down.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a necro that was somehow killing other people pretty soundly.. she died real fast.. casters go squish good <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a 50 Zerker, good fight, but won that one as well.. was pretty close at the end, but still had my heal if I had needed it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That was about it, servers went down, no more fun <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[DomanderDarklig]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MakhailSammael wrote:<BR> <DIV>Here is how it went for me: LVL 50 Bruiser with about 3 fables and rest legendary stuff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a 50 monk 4 times. First time I forgot to eat/drink and was using only 1 buff (still had not figured them out completely) and got beaten in a close fight.. once I was all buffed, took him down pretty soundly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next foughta 50 pally, easy fight really except a bit long due to his heals.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next fought a 50 Templar first time got the drop on him with my stuns and <STRONG><FONT color=#6633ff>stifles</FONT></STRONG> and dropped him real fast, 2nd time he was ready and though I wouldbeat him down, he would just heal back up.. fight lasted a long time and eventually I ran out of power and he slowly beat me down.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a necro that was somehow killing other people pretty soundly.. she died real fast.. casters go squish good <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a 50 Zerker, good fight, but won that one as well.. was pretty close at the end, but still had my heal if I had needed it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That was about it, servers went down, no more fun <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>don't mean to hijack but i didn't think we had any stifles.</P> <P> </P> <P>I dueled an sk a few lvl's above me, ugh sk's are brutal <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. the thing that hurt the most was the damage shield they get.<BR></P>

[Spritz]

You say the SK's dmg sheild was the thing that hurt the most, anyone tried a slower 2H in this case?

[Kitos]

Here are my experiences with one fabled piece and a few Masters: Troub: No Contest, Crusher followed by a couple big hits then my stuns. It was over in a matter of seconds. Wizard: 5 seconds... Maybe... Fury: Just kept interupting her. No challenge here either. Necro: This was fun. He could send out his pack of dogs, main pet and another zombie guy. First time I dueled him I got the best of him, though his pets weren't recharged or something, and second time I dueled him at half health and he got me. SK: This by far was the best fight. We were neck and neck the whole way. That fight could have gone either way. Inq: Plate + Being able to Heal + Power Conservation = Auto-win. I ran through my power trying to get him down but after I was out he just slowly beat me to death. <div></div>

[MakhailSamma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DomanderDarklight wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MakhailSammael wrote:<BR> <DIV>Here is how it went for me: LVL 50 Bruiser with about 3 fables and rest legendary stuff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a 50 monk 4 times. First time I forgot to eat/drink and was using only 1 buff (still had not figured them out completely) and got beaten in a close fight.. once I was all buffed, took him down pretty soundly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next foughta 50 pally, easy fight really except a bit long due to his heals.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next fought a 50 Templar first time got the drop on him with my stuns and <STRONG><FONT color=#6633ff>stifles</FONT></STRONG> and dropped him real fast, 2nd time he was ready and though I wouldbeat him down, he would just heal back up.. fight lasted a long time and eventually I ran out of power and he slowly beat me down.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a necro that was somehow killing other people pretty soundly.. she died real fast.. casters go squish good <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fought a 50 Zerker, good fight, but won that one as well.. was pretty close at the end, but still had my heal if I had needed it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That was about it, servers went down, no more fun <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>don't mean to hijack but i didn't think we had any stifles.</P> <P> </P> <P>I dueled an sk a few lvl's above me, ugh sk's are brutal <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. the thing that hurt the most was the damage shield they get.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> You are absolutely correct. Replace stifles with Mez. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sorry, was not paying attention to what I was typing. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />