Live vs Beta stat compare

[Jezekie]

<div></div><div></div><a target="_blank" href="http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3582/liveunbuff3wy.jpg">Live - Unbuffed</a><a target="_blank" href="http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/7144/livebufffull7le.jpg">Live - Fully buffed (inc. Bruising Spirit)</a><a target="_blank" href="http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9544/betaunbuff3vc.jpg">Beta - Unbuffed</a><a target="_blank" href="http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9292/betabuffull1jj.jpg">Beta - Fully buffed (inc. Shrug off on group member, adds +21 agi to caster at Adept 1. Mitigation is 48.4%)</a><span>Note: Ring buffs are used in both full buff tests, do note there is a minor difference between beta and live on the ring buffs. +12 on Wis/Int/Str, +18 on Agi/Sta on the beta ones (Bloodstone vs Ruby quality). I don't recall Live stats offhand, +16 across the board IIRC.</span>Edit: Outdated<span></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Jezekiell on <span class="date_text">08-31-2005</span><span class="time_text">12:12 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Jezekiell on <span class=date_text>08-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:12 AM</span>

[Groovemeist]

<P>Things have changed just a bit on beta.  With full buffs on I was a bit over 3k mitigation on beta and the same avoidance.  This was at 60 though with the master defense stance.  Our mitigation and hp have been jacked =(</P> <P><IMG src="http://home.ix.netcom.com/~groovemeister/newstats.JPG"></P>

[Moski]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Groovemeister wrote:<BR> <P>Things have changed just a bit on beta.  With full buffs on I was a bit over 3k mitigation on beta and the same avoidance.  This was at 60 though with the master defense stance.  Our mitigation and hp have been jacked =(</P> <P><IMG src="http://home.ix.netcom.com/~groovemeister/newstats.JPG"></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I really really hope your Pic i a fake OR Beta is bugged right now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am lvl 52 Bruiser on Beta and i had 5.3xx HP when i logged out yesterday</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My Guildmate Paladin solo reached 60% Avoidance and 70% Mitigation yesterday</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now a lvl 60 Bruiser has 55% Avoidance, 25%Mitigation and lost at least 1k HP ???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have to check my Char when i am at home ....</DIV>

[Jezekie]

He never stated his original amount of HP on Live, so it doesn't indicate that it changed.Now Mitigation % and Avoidance % numbers both changing does in fact make sense, because the numbers reflects your chances to avoid vs an even con non-heroic, no arrow NPC. And his gear obviously hasn't improved to match T6 so naturally numbers would go down in comparison to previous levels. If the combat system scales linearly then, provided he has the same quality gear from T6, he should reach similar numbers as at lvl 50. If it doesn't scale linearly then numbers are bound to change even more.

[Moski]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote:<BR>He never stated his original amount of HP on Live, so it doesn't indicate that it changed.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>True he hasnt postet his HP on libe</P> <P>BUT</P> <P>On live server i have 5200 HP solo unbuffed in lvl 50</P> <P>On beta server i had 5350 HP solo unbuffed in lvl 52 yesterday</P> <P>AND</P> <P>he has 4492 HP in lvl 60 </P> <P>Only conclusion = they lowered our Base HP</P> <P>I will check it in 4 hours when i am at home <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Moskito on <span class=date_text>08-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:42 AM</span>

[Danan]

I went from live about 46-4700 to now on beta 3780 :smileysad:

[Moski]

Yesterday Beta Server: 5.300 HP Today Beta Server: 4.190 HP

[Jezekie]

<div></div>Right.<hr>*** Combat Changes ***- The way stamina and other attributes affect max health and power has been adjusted for both PCs and NPCs. In some cases they went up slightly, some stayed the same, and some went down slightly. Player characters will not notice as much of an effect as NPCs. Most NPCs, especially those above level 30, decreased in hitpoints.<hr><div></div>

[Supafroi]

That's a pretty darn huge difference in HP! <div></div>

[Skha]

<span><blockquote><hr>Jezekiell wrote:<div></div>Right.<hr>*** Combat Changes ***- The way stamina and other attributes affect max health and power has been adjusted for both PCs and NPCs. In some cases they went up slightly, some stayed the same, and some went down slightly. <i><u>Player characters will not notice as much of an effect as NPCs</u></i>. Most NPCs, especially those above level 30, decreased in hitpoints.<hr><div></div><hr></blockquote>lol <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[Danan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote:<BR> Right.<BR><BR> <HR> *** Combat Changes ***<BR><BR>- The way stamina and other attributes affect max health and power has been adjusted for both PCs and NPCs. <FONT color=#ffff33>In some cases they went up slightly, some stayed the same, and some went down slightly. Player characters will not notice as much of an effect as NPCs</FONT>. Most NPCs, especially those above level 30, decreased in hitpoints.<BR> <HR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Read the change again and please tell me that you dont belive a 20% decrease in hp to be the slight decrease that this change talks about.

[jordaann]

<div></div>Initially sounds painful but I think we will be on the up side of this.  If HPs are reduced and NPCs are hit harder than we are then add in our dps, it should make us live longer and mob die quicker. Jez: how do you get a concentration of 9/5? <div></div><p>Message Edited by jordaann on <span class=date_text>08-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:39 PM</span>

[Jezekie]

<span><blockquote><hr>jordaann wrote: Jez: how do you get a concentration of 9/5? <div></div><hr></blockquote></span>Buffs were bugged last night.

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: <P>Now Mitigation % and Avoidance % numbers both changing does in fact make sense, because the numbers reflects your chances to avoid vs an even con non-heroic, no arrow NPC. And his gear obviously hasn't improved to match T6 so naturally numbers would go down in comparison to previous levels. If the combat system scales linearly then, provided he has the same quality gear from T6, he should reach similar numbers as at lvl 50. If it doesn't scale linearly then numbers are bound to change even more.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yup.  When I got beta buffed to 60 with T5 gear my avoidance dropped to mid to low 50s.  When I got some t6 fabled stuff it went back up to mid 60s low 70s.<BR>

[Groovemeist]

<P>Ohh yeah since I forgot to post it.  I was at right around 5000 hp at 50 on live little more, little less depending on which gear I use.  I was at 5800-5900hp I think when I got buffed to 60.  Yeah don't looked at the avoidance since I still have only live gear and none of the beta stuff since I haven't been able to raid on beta because of schedule.</P> <P>I saw a level 50 paladin with pretty much all fabled gear in the 3600 range.  not sure if he was buffed or not.</P>

[Jezekie]

<div></div><a href="http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbuffed8uu.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/1535/unbuffed8uu.th.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buffed3xh.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/3077/buffed3xh.th.jpg" border="0"></a>Latest unbuffed / self buffed (Combat Arts + Rings) from Beta.

[Groovemeist]

<P>Beta stats.  Is with level 60 test loot and master 1's.    Buffs using defense stance, deadly spirit, battle lust, strapping cry, and shake off on someone else.</P> <P> </P> <P>                    - Unbuffed -                                                                   - Buffed -   </P> <P><IMG src="http://home.ix.netcom.com/~groovemeister/betaunbuffed.JPG">      <IMG src="http://home.ix.netcom.com/~groovemeister/Betabuffed.JPG"></P> <P> </P> <P>Guild pally was at about 3600 mitigation with beta gear and masters, while guardian was at 5400.</P><p>Message Edited by Groovemeister on <span class=date_text>08-30-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:36 PM</span>