A riddle (answer included)

[Sa]

<DIV>It cant tank but is called a tank. Its not DPS but  once was. Has no good tank buffs but once did. Cant stifle where once it could. Used to be able to beat down mobs but now gets beat down. Any clues? BRUISER : /.</DIV> <DIV>WOOTAH!! I know this isnt funny and alot of you like myself are very upset but do me a favor. Cruise the posts a bit. Look back at all Jez Mos and Gage's posts. Guys you all are very informative and helpful. Actually looking at your posts have helped me understand alot of things but I cant help myself but laugh. I see things like "we were meant to be tanks" and "like it or not we will be main tanks". All we got was our damage taken and we still cant tank in raids. Think about the larger picture guys. Take a second and think back to when you were a wee bruiser. If you were anything like me you were solo and solo alot. Why? Cause a bruiser of old solo went through mobs like butter and xp was dam near as good as group xp. Well what happened was you power gamed to 50 and found yourself bored. Only thing left was raids and you wanted to be the main attraction. SUPERSTAR! Now look at whats happened here. Who is gonna make a [Removed for Content] bruiser now? When Guardians, SKs, Pallys, and zerkers are still better tanks then us. Well DPS you say? A [Removed for Content] mezzer out DPs's us now. LMFAO. Boy ole Boy.</DIV> <DIV>How does it feel guys> After all that fussing, ranting, and protesting, chanting TANK TANK TANK and all of a sudden CCs come and BAM!! your not a tank and wait omg not DPS either? What are you? A stain in front of the MA in a raid cause your only job and only thing you do well to be allowed in a raid is eat a [Removed for Content] harm touch or 9k frontal AE damage so the tank wont drop.</DIV> <DIV>Thank you O mighty SOE for ruining a great class, and thank those of you who wanted this. The 3 amigos Jez Mos and Gage. They fight for justice, Peace, and the ability to be cannon fodder. **Salute**</DIV> <DIV>Frontline Tigerstyle 49th Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>AB server Shadow Company guild</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

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<DIV>We can tank fine in any encounter but a RAID.  We cannot handle multiple groups or Group mobs well due to our inability to taunt as effectively as others and maintain aggro (especially with a trigger happy wizard/warlock).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From what Ive read and Heard, we have lost more then we gained.  I am not happy!  We were not the invinciable superman other classes made us out to be.  We were and still are, the lowest populated class!  We were #$(*ing Perfect....in the regards that we were totally balanced.  For every advantage we had a disadvantage.  For every strength...a weakness.  Now....now I feel we are gonna be a joke.  Ive cancelled my account.  It expires in Mid October.  Thats about 30 days I will have to test the new Combat Upgrade (#($*ing bull[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is that...Upgrade my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]).  I had no problem with balancing the other classes and needed...but bruisers....didnt need to be #$(*ing touched.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>30 Days.....If I dont like what I am after that time.  Ill walk.  Ill put this world behind me like the last and the one before that and the one before that!  They took away my fear....thats unforgivable and the final straw!</DIV>

[AsheBail]

<P>I think people start a class and put alot of time in it.  Eventually they find that the class is not what they want anymore for some reason.  Maybe bored with it or maybe how they wish to play EQ2 changed.  </P> <P>Instead of starting a new class which would take much time, there is a wish to change what a brawler class is.  </P> <P>Brawler always seemed to me to be the weakest tank in the fighter class but strongest DPS of the fighters (not a scout) with some soloing abilities like mend and feign.  Basically well-rounded.  </P> <DIV>Complaints seem to arise in raids due to being well-rounded means a bruiser won't shine in a specific thing.  I don't think any new patch will change that.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I played a bruiser since EQ2 came out and have been happy since; the class fulfills how I play EQ2, soloing quester.  If one wishes to be a specific class for a raid, it may be wise to choose a class that will fit the role one wants to be in a raid instead of complaining that a bruiser is not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Gaige]

LoL, wow.  It only took 3 people out of the quarter of a million + that play this game to change two entire subclasses?  That's talent. <p>Message Edited by Gage-Mikel on <span class=date_text>08-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:15 AM</span>

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<DIV>It only took 1...ONE person to nerf the EQLive monks into #$(*ing oblivion back in the fall of 2002.  One person can make a difference.  The question is whether they should!</DIV>

[Turb]

Well you do have about 90% of the posts to the forums whining about our tankability, not bad for so few <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Most bruisers seem to think we are (were) just fine as we are. Sure, knock our dps down a notch, but that's not so important now scouts get a big dps raise in the revamp anyway.We're now in a gimped position where a quite rare class is likely to see even less new initiates come along. Got a feeling we'll see a swing towards zerkers post-revamp on the tanking front.No idea what monks are going through. I guess dps is similarly slashed.And I will miss fear... never saw it bug, but I'm still in relative youth <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Turb0T wrote:<BR>Well you do have about 90% of the posts to the forums whining about our tankability, not bad for so few <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Have you read them all to know what 90% of them are about, or are you thinking with what you should be sitting on?<BR> <p>Message Edited by Gage-Mikel on <span class=date_text>08-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:43 AM</span>

[NoEsca]

<DIV>*sighs and shakes his head* I understand that revamps such as this can be upsetting. I've gone through enough of them and been at that seething point of rage many times myself. But casting aspersions on Jez, Mos, and Gage certainly isn't the answer. They aren't the ones that handle game design, nor are they the ones that handle implementation. Flagrant taunting such as this is also far from constructive. As a former member of Gravestone Coven, and thus a one-time ally of your guild, Frontline, I thought I knew SC fairly well. I've always found SC members to be nothing but polite, helpful, and honorable—this post does not reflect the values I've come to expect from them. I'm saddened to see something that none of us have any real control over bring a member of such an upstanding guild to such rash behavior. I hope that once things get closer to being finalized we'll all of us cool off enough that we no longer feel this sort of post to be necessary. In the mean time, I think that we all need to take a step back, a few deep breaths, and marshal our thoughts before posting. Especially as such a small community, it's important that regardless of our philosophical differences we not fall to infighting and back-biting. /salute</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Respectfully,</DIV>

[Turb]

I agree with both points. The core of what Sazz is saying is true. But yes revamps are of course alwyas painful for someone, though personally as a swashie and bruiser what's given to me on one hand is taken from the other.The feedback we've seen from Jez in terms of test detail is most welcome (even if what he reports is not, at least to many of us).But ask any regular froum reader who the vocal few are, and there is one name that will keep coming up. And he will take the flak if the fears of brawlers ending up in a no man's land are founded, like it or not. If you're going to be vocal, you have to take the flak if things go bad as a result, but if things turn out well then I hope you get the praise. But it ain't looking good.Of course we could be more sympathetic to each other <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But with 9 months invested, and both sides waving different interpretations of SOE's promises at each other, people are going to be emotional.

[Sa]

Ophis, my actions here in these forums should no way affect the way my guild is viewed. In my opinion these forums are /ooc. Shadow Company is a noble guild who will go to great lengths to help people to the best of their ability as do I. In game I would never type such things. <DIV>Now on to what I said here. 9 months is a long time to build a character only to have everything you have learned about that character to be changed. Im not blaming Jez Mos and Gage. They like me are pawns. What I am saying and if you read other posts you will see is that they so whole heartedly supported this revamp that they were blinded by the fact they were dealing with SOE. Now I dont know if that was because they are new to the SOE way but for those of us that arent knew when SOE says things like your class is broke and your class needs rethinking, your class is screwed.</DIV> <DIV>I love my Bruiser and will continue to play him. I will do my best to play him the way he is geared by SOE but none of you can make me like this revamp. Like I said I know we are tanks to some extent. I dont think we should outdamage some scouts but the utility lines of that class we should own in damage because they offer utility where as we dont. I do not think we should out tank plate tanks either. They are the armor clad meat shields we are not. We should be a balance of the 2. I outdamaged most people I have played with hands down. I do not believe that is fair but dont fudge up the whole class when all it needed was a tweak. Jez Mos and Gage excuse me for flaming you 3 if you saw it that way. Sometimes typing is like arguing, you get carried away but do know I appreciate all 3 of your guys help and opinions, but such is life we do not all agree.</DIV> <DIV>Frontline Tigerstyle</DIV> <DIV>AB server Shadow Comapny</DIV>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Turb0T wrote:<BR>And he will take the flak if the fears of brawlers ending up in a no man's land are founded, like it or not. If you're going to be vocal, you have to take the flak if things go bad as a result, but if things turn out well then I hope you get the praise. But it ain't looking good.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Whatever happens, I would assume anyone who posts here would be smart enough to know to take whatever "flak" they get with a grain of salt.</P> <P>None of us are responsible for anything that happens, until we work for SOE.</P> <P>Even if I called MG's mom everyday and sent her flowers and cookies and begged her to change my class...</P> <P>Nothing can be done unless the people who get paid to work on EQ2 everyday decide to do it.</P> <P>Its flattering how much credit people try to give me, and Jez and others.</P> <P>But so amazingly unfounded.</P> <P>I'm a guy, who plays a game, who is passionate about the game, and has a certain fondness for forums.</P> <P>I'm a player.</P> <P>Nothing will ever change that.<BR></P>

[Turb]

Fair points.All I'm saying is, when you post so many posts about changing (in your eyes 'improving') monks/brawlers to be better tanks, and probably more than other other player, and changes are then made that - whether influenced by you or not - spoil the fun for others who have a different view of how the class should be, and what SoE said it would be, then you can't completely wash your hands of that criticism.I disagree strongly with some of your views. I also appreciate alot of what you contribute, and certainly what Jez does. The skill list screenshots were fantastic for example. But the addage of the 'squeaky wheel gets the grease' invariably applies... and you squeak loudest... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Well, the troubadors are squeaking louder right now... we'll see!

[Jezekie]

<span><blockquote><hr>Gage-Mikel wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Turb0T wrote:And he will take the flak if the fears of brawlers ending up in a no man's land are founded, like it or not. If you're going to be vocal, you have to take the flak if things go bad as a result, but if things turn out well then I hope you get the praise. But it ain't looking good. <hr> </blockquote> <p>Whatever happens, I would assume anyone who posts here would be smart enough to know to take whatever "flak" they get with a grain of salt.</p> <p>None of us are responsible for anything that happens, until we work for SOE.</p> <p>Even if I called MG's mom everyday and sent her flowers and cookies and begged her to change my class...</p> <p>Nothing can be done unless the people who get paid to work on EQ2 everyday decide to do it.</p> <p>Its flattering how much credit people try to give me, and Jez and others.</p> <p>But so amazingly unfounded.</p> <p>I'm a guy, who plays a game, who is passionate about the game, and has a certain fondness for forums.</p> <p>I'm a player.</p> <p>Nothing will ever change that.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>^ What he said x2.</span><div></div>