Feedback for the Training skills here

[Jezekie]

As you all log in and pick your various skills please post here with feedback to which skill you picked, and what it does excactly, and wether you feel it is worth it or not.Going to go test Velan's Taunting Cry, Sarko's Deadly Hook, and Renal's Deadly Advance.At 39Renalt's Deadly Advance gives +7 Fist, and -5 Deflection.For comparison Roughhouse Adept 1 gives +6 Fists, -5 Deflection.Brawl App1 gives +20 Fist, and -40 DeflectionDepending on how good the debuff is on Sarko's Deadly Hook, it might be decent. It runs on the same line as Blitz/Focused Strike. Most testing required.--------------- UpdatedBrawler (Level 10) * Lu'Sun's Spinning Kick - An advanced form of Kick. As a bonus to Kick it inflicts additional damage. * Jyson's Twirling Fists - An advanced form of Assault. As a bonus to Assault it inflicts additional damage. * Velan's Taunting Cry - An advanced form of Shout. As a bonus to Shout it increases more hate with the primary target. * Beslin's Boastful Posture - An advanced form of Taunt. As a bonus to Taunt it increases the brawler's attack speed.Bruiser (Level 20) * Grom's Fierce Uppercut - An advanced form of Bruising Strike. As a bonus to Bruising Strike it costs less health. * Atral's Deathly Visage - An advanced form of Feign Death. As a bonus to Feign Death it has a higher base chance to succeed. * Sarko's Deadly Hook - An advanced form of Focused Strike. As a bonus to Focused Strike it decreases crushing, piercing, and slashing mitigation. * Jathon's Bull Rush - An advanced form of Shoulder Charge. As a bonus to Shoulder Charge it inflicts additional damage.Bruiser (Level 30) * Velan's Devastating Assault - An advanced form of Rapid Swings. As a bonus to Rapid Swings it has two attacks that deal much higher damage. * Renalt's Deadly Advance - An advanced form of Roughhouse. As a bonus to Roughhouse it has less of a deflection penalty. * Homon's Boxing Stance - An advanced form of Bob and Weave. As a bonus to Bob and Weave it increases melee damage capability. * Dian's Mocking Form - An advanced form of Jeer. As a bonus to Jeer it can be used more frequently. Bruiser (Level 40) * Atral's Unworldly Fortitude - An advanced form of Ignore Hurt. As a bonus to Ignore Hurt it can be used more frequently. * Sarko's Quiet Menace - An advanced form of Slurred Insult. As a bonus to Slurred Insult it costs no power and may be used while stifled. * Velan's Nervy Order - An advanced form of Rousing Cry. As a bonus to Rousing Cry it increases attack speed. * Dian's Ruthless Beating - An advanced form of Beatdown. As a bonus to Beatdown it decreases attack techniques.Taken from here, http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=chars&message.id=5 andhttp://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=chars&message.id=388#M388<p>Message Edited by Jezekiell on <span class=date_text>01-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:42 PM</span>

[Windy]

<DIV>Beslins Boastful Posture</DIV> <DIV>"Increases the brawlers hate with the target and increases the brawlers attack speed for a short time."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Skill: Brawling</DIV> <DIV>Base Skill Level: 50</DIV> <DIV>Mastery Skill Level: 100</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Power: 15</DIV> <DIV>Casting Time: 1 second</DIV> <DIV>Recovery Time: 0.5 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Recast Time: 8 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Haste Duration: 7.5 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timer used: Taunt ( Single target )</DIV> <DIV>Art Icon: Pointing Finger</DIV> <DIV>HO Icon: Blue Horn</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is basicly a single target taunt, that also gives a short, 7½ second long haste buff.  It's lower power usage makes it ideal for solo HO completition.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-----</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grom's Fierce Uppercut</DIV> <DIV>"Deals high damage to the target and costs health instead of power"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Skill: Physicality</DIV> <DIV>Base Skill Level: 100</DIV> <DIV>Mastery Skill Level: 150</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Power: 32</DIV> <DIV>Heath: 85</DIV> <DIV>Casting Time: 1 second</DIV> <DIV>Recovery Time: 0.5 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Recast Time: 30 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timer Used: Brusing Strike</DIV> <DIV>Art Icon: Glowing Fist</DIV> <DIV>HO Icon: Blue Fist</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The first thing to note is that the description lies.  I wouldn't have taken this skill otherwise.  It says health instead of power, but it's really in addition to power.  So you can't use these skill when out of power, even though it implies otherwise.  It's more powerful than bruising strike, less powerful than grapple.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-----</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Homon's Boxing Stance</DIV> <DIV>"Inceases parry, deflection, damage capability and attack speed."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Skill: Physicality</DIV> <DIV>Base Skill Level: 150</DIV> <DIV>Mastery Skill Level: 200</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Power: 57</DIV> <DIV>Casting Time: 1.5 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Recovery Time: 0.5 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Recast Time: 60 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Duration: 36 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timer Used: Martial Focus</DIV> <DIV>Art Icon: Yin-Yang</DIV> <DIV>HO Icon: Blue Arm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is is just like bob and weave, only adding an unnoticable amount of of damage.  Bob and Weave App3 give me 7 points of parry and deflection at L36, while boxing stance gives 9 points at Adept II ( the default level of all trainings )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-----</DIV>

[LadySyl]

Velan's Taunting Cry looks like the jewel of the level 10 trainings. Its a single encounter taunt on an 8 second refresh for low power. Now, I'm guessing it isn't a massive amount of hate, but this sounds like an ability that will be useful for much longer then the other level 10 trainings.I'm holding off picking my level 20 training until more people chime in with their experience.Velan's Taunting CryPower:15Casting time:1 secRecast time:8 sec50 min 100 max skillCauses hate in all in a single encounter, and more in the actual mob you have targeted.

[Vaerana]

The nice thing about Velan's Taunting Cry is it seems to be an encounter taunt on the single target taunt timer. Even if it doesn't give that much hate, it might help when trying to keep a group's attention due to its shorter recast time compared to Shout.I'm a bit disappointed with Jathon's Bull Rush, because I wasn't expecting it to share a timer with Shoulder Charge. I wanted an extra stun attack, not more damage on the one I had.I wish I'd been able to see the descriptions posted by Moorgard in that thread before making my decisions. Ah well.

[Arcasian5]

<DIV>Atral's Deathly Visage (FD)  seems to be on a different timer than the brawler series of FD.  Not sure if it was intended, because Atral's is listed as physicallity instead of brawling, so it would had an addition FD just in case play dead were to fail or something.  Hopefully this was intended, so we get an extra FD.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit:  Just read a threat that says reuse timers are supppose to be shared, so they might change Atral's to the same timer..  just a heads up in case peeps dont wanna pick it because of that</DIV><p>Message Edited by Arcasian511 on <span class=date_text>01-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:14 PM</span>

[JonnyBlaaze]

<DIV>guess this is level 30 one, no clue what im picking.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Homon's Boxing Stance</DIV> <DIV>  Increases parry, deflection, damage capability, and attack speed</DIV> <DIV>Dians Mocking Form</DIV> <DIV>  Fears target and increases hate of all enemies towards the bruiser</DIV> <DIV>Velans Devastating Assault</DIV> <DIV> has chance to launch 2 attacks, if the first misses, the 2nd will as well</DIV> <DIV>Renalts Deadly Advance</DIV> <DIV> increases your skill and decreases your deflection skill</DIV>

[LadySyl]

"* Sarko's Deadly Hook - An advanced form of Focused Strike. As a bonus to Focused Strike it decreases crushing, piercing, and slashing mitigation."Does it fufill the solo HO requirement? I stoped using HOs solo many levels ago because it simply wasn't worth the power of using a weak power (focused strike) and taunt as opposed to, say, 2 kicks. This might make it worthwhile again.

[Jezekie]

<blockquote><hr>Fuhkit wrote:<DIV>guess this is level 30 one, no clue what im picking.. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Homon's Boxing Stance</DIV><DIV> Increases parry, deflection, damage capability, and attack speed</DIV><DIV>Dians Mocking Form</DIV><DIV> Fears target and increases hate of all enemies towards the bruiser</DIV><DIV>Velans Devastating Assault</DIV><DIV> has chance to launch 2 attacks, if the first misses, the 2nd will as well</DIV><DIV>Renalts Deadly Advance</DIV><DIV> increases your skill and decreases your deflection skill</DIV><hr></blockquote>If I had take an educated guess, then I would say that...Homon's Boxing Stance is an improved Bob and Weave- Increases parry, deflection, damage capability, and attack speedDians Mocking Form is an improved Jeer- Fears target and increases hate of all enemies towards the bruiserVelans Devastating Assault is an improved Whirling Blaze- Has chance to launch 2 attacks, if the first misses, the 2nd will as wellRenalts Deadly Advance is an improved Roughhouse- Increases your fist skill and decreases your deflection skillI know for a fact that Renalt's Deadly Advance is just a slightly improved roughhouse since I picked that my self, even knowing that none of the others would have been useful to me anyway, got adept 3 bob and weave, and don't use the other skills at my lvl.The trend that's showing with these Training abilities is that you get to pick 1 of 4 avaliable skills in the previous tier. Ie. the lvl 10 training covers 1-9, the lvl 20 covers skills in the 10-19 range, the lvl 30 covers skills in the 20-29 range, I would guess the lvl 40 training covers skills in the 30-39 range, and the lvl 50th, provided there is one, covers the 40-49 range.

[Windy]

<DIV>If you read my above post, I can confirm that Boxing stance is absolutely the upgraded version of Bob and Weave.</DIV>

[Alekka]

<blockquote><hr>LadySylvi wrote:"* Sarko's Deadly Hook - An advanced form of Focused Strike. As a bonus to Focused Strike it decreases crushing, piercing, and slashing mitigation."Does it fufill the solo HO requirement? I stoped using HOs solo many levels ago because it simply wasn't worth the power of using a weak power (focused strike) and taunt as opposed to, say, 2 kicks. This might make it worthwhile again.<hr></blockquote>Confirmed- Sarko's Deadly Hook does fulfill HO requirement. It is on same recast timer as Focused Strike.

[fur]

<DIV>For my 30 choice i took Velans , what it does is that it launches 2 swings just like rapid swings, 100 hand slap etc, however damage is in the 150>250 range at level 35 (skill still yellow) however 100 hand slap at adept 1 does roughly 55X8 as standard for me unbuffed which roughly translates into 440 average damage, so its touch and go what to use, Velans is good until you get 100 hand though as you get velans at 30 and have to wait until late 33 for 100, also velans 2 hits means less chances of getting a parry cutting the flurry short, so Velans is imo better at 35 when tanking as it lands almost 100%, when performing as dps "backside duty" 100 slap is better though and it will probably outperform velans in the late 30,s early 40's. shame its on the same timer really but kinda knew that as having both would seriously make us godly in the dps department, overall a solid skill and a fine compliment to damage when beeing main tank.</DIV>

[IkkyScar]

<DIV>The level 40 one I chose (Velans something or others) is an upgrade to Rousing Cry.  It is a 3 minute GROUP buff, just like rousing cry/intimidating orders.  It gives +12 to all melee skills (Crushing/piercing/slashing), +20 ATK rating, and haste to the entire group.  The nice thing about this is the haste.  Rousing Cry has no haste so this is a very nice upgrde.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guber--50 Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>Crushbone</DIV>

[Jezekie]

<blockquote><hr>IkkyScarab wrote:<DIV>The level 40 one I chose (Velans something or others) is an upgrade to Rousing Cry. It is a 3 minute GROUP buff, just like rousing cry/intimidating orders. It gives +12 to all melee skills (Crushing/piercing/slashing), +20 ATK rating, and haste to the entire group. The nice thing about this is the haste. Rousing Cry has no haste so this is a very nice upgrde.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Guber--50 Bruiser</DIV><DIV>Crushbone</DIV><hr></blockquote>The thing is, we don't know wether haste stacks or not, or if it's like in EQLive where only the highest value takes effect. Or if there's differnt hastes like Overhaste, item haste, spell haste.Back on topic, todays patch fixed Velan's Taunting Cry, it is now on the same timer as shout.

[Krovosx]

<DIV>As of 6:30 EST on the Crushbone server Velan's Taunting Cry is still on my single target taunt timer, not shout.  Although I would not be surprised if they change this soon.  Perhaps not all the servers are on the same patch version.</DIV>

[baba]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IkkyScarab wrote:<BR> <DIV>The level 40 one I chose (Velans something or others) is an upgrade to Rousing Cry. It is a 3 minute GROUP buff, just like rousing cry/intimidating orders. It gives +12 to all melee skills (Crushing/piercing/slashing), +20 ATK rating, and haste to the entire group. The nice thing about this is the haste. Rousing Cry has no haste so this is a very nice upgrde.</DIV> <DIV>Guber--50 Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>Crushbone</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>The thing is, we don't know wether haste stacks or not, or if it's like in EQLive where only the highest value takes effect. Or if there's differnt hastes like Overhaste, item haste, spell haste.<BR><BR>Back on topic, todays patch fixed Velan's Taunting Cry, it is now on the same timer as shout.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> i choosed that skill and was in group with troubador in perma atm and the haste stacks, i was hitting really fast, this is a nice skill indeed <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />