Some things I have noticed

[mlind]

<DIV>Bruising Spirit-is bugged at least for me, says recast is 30sec and seems to last around 30sec,but if u wait till expires it goes into the 30 sec countdown. Or if u cancel it starts its 30 sec countdown from when u cancel.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there upgrades on shout and taunt, beyond Ap3-I have not been able to find any.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rescue sucks-increases hate by one level which is good, but recast 1800secs? Use it every half hour. I cant hold aggro very well, especially with no adept taunts besides slapping taunt and the only other one I have can be used every 30 minutes...?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The main thing I have seen for MT is not AC or Hit Points, being able to hold aggro is the main thing. No party or healer specificlly wants a tank that cant hold aggro. In my opinion bruisers are tanks but they suck at holding aggro and if bruisers cant hold aggro...are they tanks?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my lead pennies worth.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tramenxs Flamestaff</DIV> <DIV>Blackburrow</DIV> <DIV>27Bruiser/26Tailor</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jow]

<DIV><EM>"especially with no adept taunts besides slapping taunt and the only other one I have can be used every 30 minutes...?"</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You have Jeer,crash, intimidate which increase hate towards the bruiser and can be found in adept form. You also have 2 debuffs that [Removed for Content] mobs off aswell, those being Fierce punch (attack reducer) and Eye gouge (accuracy reducer). I have found intimidate to be a great aggro grabber as it is a mini mez, and anyone knows mobs hate that <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As a 29 bruiser I have no problem holding aggro as long as the group is cooperating and not doing anything dumb like casting a group buff on incoming. (Ahem, you chanters casting alacrity right as I get 4 mobs into camp, not pretty.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For single mobs</DIV> <DIV>Pull with ranged.....</DIV> <DIV>1.Taunting slap</DIV> <DIV>2.Fierce punch</DIV> <DIV>3.Eye gouge</DIV> <DIV>4.Intimidate</DIV> <DIV>5.Crash</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thats what I use against single mobs and usually no one can get them off me after that. I'll throw a few more taunts out there on occasion but usually its not needed and my damage maintains my aggro. Intimidating orders is a very nice aggro buff aswell. If its a long pull or I need to rebuff before engaging, I will often pull with intimidate and then run back to camp. As soon as the mez breaks the mob comes and we are all rdy and buffed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If pulling multiple mobs its usually.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pull with ranged....</DIV> <DIV>1. Shout</DIV> <DIV>2. Taunting slap</DIV> <DIV>3. Fierce punch</DIV> <DIV>4. Eye Gouge</DIV> <DIV>5. Whirling blaze</DIV> <DIV>6. Crash</DIV> <DIV>7. Shout</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rinse repeat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Jowaa on <SPAN class=date_text>12-27-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:59 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Jowaa on <SPAN class=date_text>12-27-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:59 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Jowaa on <span class=date_text>12-27-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:01 PM</span>

[Southe]

<DIV>Id still like to see atleast a lv30ish upgrade to shout, i know we some nice ones high 40s but from 8 to 48? seems a bit off. my only gripe with our class is the taunt ability everthing else is fine or will get even better after the big patch.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Krace </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Iksar bruiser</DIV>

[narcoleptic_l]

<DIV>Jeer is our upgrade to shout, and up's you in hate with the entire encounter pretty well... not to mention lowering the dps of an encounter while one of the mobs is feared. The pathing issues with mobs feared indoors  is unfortunate though, hopefully this will get looked at soon.</DIV>

[Southe]

<DIV>Right, but jeer indoors causes many problems like mobs being feared into walls and bugging the party which creates ally aggro.. =(</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Krace</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Iksar Bruiser</DIV>

[Schnaup]

<DIV> <P><SPAN>Jeer certainly works better inside then out. Just make sure you announce it, I am a silent type player and it boggles my mind when things go badly and I fear one away how the group stands there, almost enthralled and even typing comments about the feared mob meanwhile the non-feared ones are still beating us to death.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN>A side note here: Don't despair too much because if you do not already have it you will get Slur, which is a good agro ability.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN>Second side note: What works in a pinch to get agro is to cast a few buffs. Seriously, we as brusiers have a TERRIBLE time holding agro if there are multiple mobs. However, the same reason why when a healer buffs you they get agro also works on our side. Thus, if you truly need agro click Rescue-Intimidating Orders-Jeer and you should have all the agro you could want, albeit temporarily. Keeping the agro is up to you :smileyhappy:</SPAN></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </P></DIV>

[mlind]

<DIV>found out alchemist can make adept 3s for shout just need copper o lapis.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Found with jeer inside that u lose a mob and get locked in combat untill u log.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also want to share with 27ish level bruisers. My weapons were blue and really couldnt find good duals untill i found Pristine Cuirboilli Cestis. +3 agi +7 St +16 Health +17 Power danage 15-49  delay 2.0. Its slashing so u probably have to work it up but excellent weapons!</DIV>