Any Monks Tanking High End Instances and Zones

[Demourn]

I did a search through the forum and the last discussion on monk tanking was back in April of 06.  My questions is for the high level monks out there, how is your tanking at 70?  I am on a PVP server and am closing in on 70, but I already have a 70 zerker.  I like what the monk has to offer and I have a static group that I tank for, the monks abilities allows me to get out of some potentially sticky situations and has saved my group more than once. But, my concer is wWill I be able to tank the EOF instances and the high end kos instances such at HOF at 70?  I wont be fabled out, we are working our way through claymore now, so i will be outfitted with all the pieces at 70 and hopefully a few more.  I have found it much harder to hold group aggro, but that was expected.  I have no problem working harder to hold aggro, but I don't want to [Removed for Content] my group.  Of course in a few levels I'll find out myself, but wanted the opinions of the monks out there. Thanks in advance. <div></div>

[TheHidden]

<P>hmmm. ive never had any problems tanking really. holding aggro HAS been an issue. but im pretty much mastered up now. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and hasted to the max. make sure your skills are upgraded and aggro holding shoudl be fine.. dragonbreath is excellent aid in holding aggro as is crescent strike ... start of your battle with taunt dragonbreath crescent strike (with perhaps your shcoking palm skill before hand. and aggro should not be a big issue. <BR><BR>spider stance is a nice stance to use as well. when your tanking the bigger stuff. say like sothis in halls of fate.. never done it myself. but i reccommend a healer or two. perhaps a mystic and a fury / warden with some serious DPS classes to back you up. brigand for the debuff perhaps. dirge for your own buff. then take necro or some such. never tried it myself but would seem like a very interesting group setup to me. and should handle sothis without too much of an issue?. <BR><BR>any monks acutally tanked sothis out there?. <BR><BR>generally i have gotten the shaft from guilds for my monkiness though. either the class or the player has been passed on for previous raids. in favour of other classes. <BR><BR>also i saw yama on blackburrow.. looks like he was slefbuffed something like 8800 hp 4700 mp 2800 mit 65% avoidence. all resists above 2k some at 4 k. <BR>600 + str 400 + sta so on and so forth.. oh yeah.. gear had 23% haste and 30% dps mod (that i saw during my drool session.) all fabled up though. i suspect this monk was the best dressed monk ive seen. </P> <P>good luck!. any raids who need a monk? /desperately wanna do deathtoll access and mark of awakening</P> <P> </P>

[Mala-Shea]

<P>The combat changes affecting mitigation ( break even 4K) has benefited brawlers hugely. I have tanked Lvl 70-75 epic x4's in IS, EH, DT and FT. The instances are cake, but your only as good as your healer(s) <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Group agro continues to be a monk's bane, but with the TV aa upgrade even that is easier. Overall, you will be very very suprised what you can do in the near future <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Slapp</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Illustrious]

<P>Tanking all T7 heroic instances is no problem at all and requires only 1 healer apart from the odd zone like Nizara and MM Castle which are needeing 2 healers (for me anyways). </P> <P> </P> <P>I would go as far to say that for the majority of heroic content monks are better than most other tanks, we can survive all encounters ok (though maybe needing more healing at times), we can dps at the same time unlike Guards and Pally for example (tho zerkers and SK can do good at this also), and we also can grp FD at a pinch to save running back from zone in. I also find the tsunami/outward calm combination really handy on the harder named pulls when you have only 1 healer because by the time tsunami runs out the mob will be almost dead anyway. Single target aggro is superb especially if you have a good grp that can keep you healed up in attack stance, but grp aggro is of course decidedly poor compared to warriors and pallies(with a ae  person to amend of course), but still as long as u have no warlocks going berserk and people assist correctly there should be no problems.</P> <P> </P> <P>Epic wise we are now better than b4 but still probably last choice to tank virtually any correct tier encounter, we can now tank a decent proportion of x4 stuff with no major problems but unless you have no plate tank on at all or you are fabled out and the only plate tank available is wearing treasured then imo its much more efficient to let them tank.</P><p>Message Edited by Illustrious on <span class=date_text>01-04-2007</span> <span class=time_text>07:03 AM</span>

[Kinless]

<div></div>I am glad to see others experiencing what I was seeing from the start of the expansion. I mentioned us doing far better than ever before and found myself the recipiant of much anger from others. I feel we tank much better in all heroic content, and even do better vs epic mobs. I concur we are still not the best choice on epics but work well in a pinch. I have been able to offtank  superbly well if something bad happens and need someone to hold a mob. Also not dependant on Tsunami as I have been able to tank them long after tsunami wears off. Kinz  70 Monk of Lucan <div></div><p>Message Edited by Kinless on <span class=date_text>01-04-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:47 AM</span>

[Demourn]

Great thanks for all the feedback. <div></div>

[Deathspell]

I wish it were true, but i've a hard time believing.I rather see a plate tank with solo healer doing instances like T7 Obelisk/Crypt.No way a monk does that with one healer, especially not with a Fury.Please note that the majority of the monks are not 100% Mastered out or 100% Fabled out.Most have legendary gear and 50% masters.And having a class which needs to be totally decked out to the max in order to come near the tanking results of a plate class is not what I call "good tanking".And I didn't even mention the pathetic group aggro control, while the majority of the mobs are grouped.<div></div>

[ArcticBlue182]

i agree with the above poster, what the OP should have asked is, what is tanking like for the none full fabled, fully M1/2 monk in T7 since EoF came out.

[Harpax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deathspell wrote:<BR>I wish it were true, but i've a hard time believing.<BR>I rather see a plate tank with solo healer doing instances like T7 Obelisk/Crypt.<BR>No way a monk does that with one healer, especially not with a Fury.<BR>Please note that the majority of the monks are not 100% Mastered out or 100% Fabled out.<BR>Most have legendary gear and 50% masters.<BR>And having a class which needs to be totally decked out to the max in order to come near the tanking results of a plate class is not what I call "good tanking".<BR><BR>And I didn't even mention the pathetic group aggro control, while the majority of the mobs are grouped.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>On day 1 of EOF, I went through Obelisk with a group of 4.  (Fury, ranger, brig, monk).  We had a few deaths, some of the fights were way harder then others, but we were able to complete it, and this was before they fixed the base deflection and boosted the amount of mit we got from our armor in defensive stance.</P> <P>Barring MM Castle, I've been able to tank any instance and non raid mob I've run into so far.  Tanking Epic still is and probably always will be a total PITA, but as a whole I think we are better of tank wise then where we were pre EOF launch.</P>

[Bladewind]

<P>Except MM Castle and Nizarra, I have done every heroic instance pretty easily with a warden or templar as my lone healer.  I have mostly fabled armor, but mostly legendary jewelry.  My combat arts are about 75% master, 25% adept 3.  Overall, I'd say I am 65% fabled.  These instances are easy to me with one healer, so I imagine they would be challenging but doable for someone who was in full legendary/ad 3 gear with one healer.</P> <P>I have also done raid nameds with similar ease since the fix to base deflection and the little mit boost.  Losing the warden cure benefit hurt a bit, but was not crippling.  As an example, I tanked the first named in labs without ever going below green on my health bar during the encounter.  I know he is not a colossal challenge, but being in the green the whole fight is something our platers usually don't pull off.  Debuffs have become even more important under the new rules, and I found, once I appreciated that and convinced the people that I group/raid with to appreciate it also, I was able to perform just as well as a plater as far as managing incoming damage when tanking.  My avoidance against him was just under 60%, with half of the hits that landed being nullified by stoneskin or wards.  I still am at a disadvantage for group aggro, but raw 'tankability' feels balanced to me at both the heroic and epic tiers. </P>

[ArcticBlue182]

well i have to say that ibe not actually played my monk for a few weeks but just after EoF came out i tanked Obelisk and we were fine untill the last named, then we had afew wipes and a pally took over, i have no fabled all legendary armour and 1 fab wep from labs, my CA's are maybe 50/50 adpt3 M1/2, so maybe it has improved since they changed base defence but tbh i hardly play my monk now when i go on EQ2. <div></div>

[Deathspell]

You see, that's the problem guys : "<u>had a few wipes</u>". (And that was with fabled armor, legendary jewerly, 75% masters).People don't want that for a standard instance.I can't remember we had a wipe with a plate tank with less or none fabled gear. (barring accidental adds ofcourse).Sure a monk can eventually do the same instance, but the real note is "why would people struggle with a monk while they can get a plate class that gives more reliability?"And it's not only about tanking the hits, but also keeping aggro. If monks loose aggro once they can't get it back before the mob has died. Well, they can if everybody stops casting whatever.Plate class has less problems getting aggro back.<div></div>

[jeffdo]

I'm mostly legendary, with 3-4 pieces of fabled. Right around 70 percent avoidance in defensive and 3k mit. Can bump it to around 4k withthe root mit buff and 76+ percent avoidance with the right group.I've off tanked Crab, Doom Trio mobs and the first named in Lycaeum.The problem is I'm only used as an off tank because we don't have a 2nd plate tank. It kind of annoys me actually, but I think we're stillone of the best heroic content tanks, and absolute best tank for a boxer. I'm hoping the more fabled I get, in addition to the nice augslike the +7 parry etc, I'll be more able to compete with the we need a 2nd plate tank syndrome.<div></div>

[Anjin]

<P>Although the +PARRY adornment is nice (I'll certainly be getting it when I feel I have the right forearm item) we're in the diminishing return part of avoidance.  I'd like to see some better mitigation adornments personally as that's what will get us most bang per buck.</P> <P>As far as tanking is concerned, I haven't tanked CM or Nizara, but all the others I can do with 1 healer.  There again, I do tend to go in with some pretty hot dps in the group so the mobs go down quickly.  The only real problem I have is aggro control - which tbh sucks.</P> <P>Equipment: 50% to 75% fabled depending on situation.</P> <P>CA's: 80% M1 20% ad3.</P>

[Bladewind]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deathspell wrote:<BR>You see, that's the problem guys : "<U>had a few wipes</U>". (And that was with fabled armor, legendary jewerly, 75% masters).<BR>People don't want that for a standard instance.<BR><BR>I can't remember we had a wipe with a plate tank with less or none fabled gear. (barring accidental adds ofcourse).<BR><BR>Sure a monk can eventually do the same instance, but the real note is "why would people struggle with a monk while they can get a plate class that gives more reliability?"<BR><BR>And it's not only about tanking the hits, but also keeping aggro. If monks loose aggro once they can't get it back before the mob has died. Well, they can if everybody stops casting whatever.<BR>Plate class has less problems getting aggro back.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I have fabled armor, legendary jewelry, and 75% masters.  The only time I have wiped while tanking a heroic instance in months was when a warlock rifted in a crowded room and brought 6 yellow encounters including a named on top of us in oob.  With one healer, up to 3 encounters at a time is still a breeze, with 4 or 5 doable with emergency stuff up.  I prefer one encounter at a time, but can control more so long as our people are a bit disciplined.  I really just don't have problems in heroic zones...  The usual group we take in when I tank is monk, dirge, warden, assassin, pally, warlock.  Sometimes the dirge brings his templar instead, but I prefer the dirge for stoneskin and defensive buffs (usually don't need the hate buff, so we don't waste a conc slot on it).  We do the instance just as quickly as when the paladin tanks or as when a guard goes along in someone's place and tanks.   <shrug>

[Illustrious]

<P>I wish it were true, but i've a hard time believing.<BR>I rather see a plate tank with solo healer doing instances like T7 Obelisk/Crypt.<BR>No way a monk does that with one healer, especially not with a Fury.<BR>Please note that the majority of the monks are not 100% Mastered out or 100% Fabled out.<BR>Most have legendary gear and 50% masters.<BR>And having a class which needs to be totally decked out to the max in order to come near the tanking results of a plate class is not what I call "good tanking".<BR><BR>And I didn't even mention the pathetic group aggro control, while the majority of the mobs are grouped</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Ive done Obelisk with a single inquis healer (worst healer of all for monks imo) and only 5 people for most of zone and only 4 for the boss(after 1 had to leave). Was guild grp so not average pu but was not hard at all. Yes our grp aggro control is poor, but aggro control is a grp responsability if your warlock or whatever is opening up with rift or something daft then it aint the monks fault if he dies for sure.</P> <P> </P> <P>Ive also done Nizz many times again in guild grps mainly but have had a pu chanter b4 who was very wary to have me as a tank but had his mind completely changed by the end after killing the boss on first pull. yes i always have a few wipes in niz but i think pretty much everyone does, normally from trash that comes from walls etc. But the boss in particular is easy for anyone to wipe on as a single mez breaking can = almost insta wipe, as no matter who is tanking soon as your healers/chanter/dps get taken out you gonna be toast anyways.</P> <P> </P> <P>To be honest monks are more dependant on equipment than platers i think but even a mastercraft/legendary monk can tank plenty well enough for most content. and if they need 2 healers then so what, read the zerker boards etc where i have also read complaint posts about them needing 2 x healers for obelisk/crypt to avoid multiple wipes. Not all zerks/guards for sure need 2 x healers there but nor do all monks. Overall the fighters are as even balanced at heroic content as they ever have been, NO we are  NOT the best but yes we can tank good enough in the vast majority of cases.</P>

[DynamicPerforman]

<DIV>:::TO DEATHSPELL:::</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Sure a monk can eventually do the same instance, but the real note is "why would people struggle with a monk while they can get a plate class that gives more reliability?"<BR></DIV> <DIV>I'm faster, I'm smarter, I try harder than most plate tanks.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How many REALLY GOOD tanks do you know?  There are 5 on my server that I consider to be better than myself.  Most, however, are not.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What server are you on where tanks are so abundant that you can never  form a group?  If I feel like grouping I grab myself a healer, send out some shouts for DPS, and we're off and going within 30minutes (need to stock up on resists for the zone, warlocks aoe for their nill, scouts kill shot for fabled poisens etc.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"And it's not only about tanking the hits, but also keeping aggro. If monks loose aggro once they can't get it back before the mob has died."</DIV> <DIV>Paladins have the same problem, so do SK and to a degree Zerkers.  Assuming your in a group of legendary geared players, and you have at least adept3 of your single and group taunt, and you have 10AA, you should have no trouble with aggro.  Thats 300dps of taunts right there. Add in maybe 400dps from CA and melee, and a mage would have to break 700dps to steal.  I know the legendary mages in my guild don't do that, and the ones nearing fabled are just breaking 1k.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"I wish it were true, but i've a hard time believing.<BR>I rather see a plate tank with solo healer doing instances like T7 Obelisk/Crypt.<BR>No way a monk does that with one healer, especially not with a Fury."</DIV> <DIV>LOLOLOLOL is my only response.  Considering the best healer in our guild is a fury (When we were doing mobs in AoA, he did a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] fine job of keeping me alive against x2's, seeing as how he was the only healer in our group), I have to just laugh at your misconceptions, and prejudices.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>""<U>had a few wipes</U>". (And that was with fabled armor, legendary jewerly, 75% masters)."</DIV> <DIV>Dude i can't even find who you are quoting,  "have no fabled all legendary armour and 1 fab wep from labs, my CA's are maybe 50/50 adpt3 M1/2" being as close as I can find.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:::TO ILLUSTRIOUS:::</DIV> <DIV>Since you've tanked Niz... How did you take out the fire named?  Every group I take in there wipes instantly to him (he seems to THROW a 7k aoe at my group) And even a 70 FULLY FABLED FULLY MASTERED PALADIN WITH 10k HP couldn't tank him.  I'm thinking theres a strategy we need to use... And no one on my server will A) tell me or B) knows.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should we try locking him?  And taking our the adds first?  We tried this, and he broke the mez and hit our illusionist for 10k damage around a corner. But maybe we just need a better illuy. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can't think of a way to dodge that thrown aoe except for a templar. Which we don't have yet (our Guild temp is 55, he's getting there <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Anjin]

Great dps group, but the warlock would certainly be holding back shedloads if you can control numerous encounters.  The paladin should tank that group far better than a monk with amends on the warlock and the assasin passing hate to him/her, especially with a dirge there as that'll increase a monks dps far more than a paladins.......

[Illustrious]

<P>:::TO ILLUSTRIOUS:::Since you've tanked Niz... How did you take out the fire named?  Every group I take in there wipes instantly to him (he seems to THROW a 7k aoe at my group) And even a 70 FULLY FABLED FULLY MASTERED PALADIN WITH 10k HP couldn't tank him.  I'm thinking theres a strategy we need to use... And no one on my server will A) tell me or B) knows.  Should we try locking him?  And taking our the adds first?  We tried this, and he broke the mez and hit our illusionist for 10k damage around a corner. But maybe we just need a better illuy. I can't think of a way to dodge that thrown aoe except for a templar. Which we don't have yet (our Guild temp is 55, he's getting there <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif" width=16 border=0> )  </P> <P> </P> <P>Its all on your healers and mezzers...IMO the tank in Nizz is a small part of the whole. And no you cant lock down the namer as you found out he break mezz very quick, so best to burn him fast. At least we got outward calm/tsunami for the pull tho, so as long as the healers/chanter stays alive on pull you got a good chance as you wont die for sure on the pull.</P> <P> </P> <P>Have killed the fire namer in 2 places. My regular illusi there likes us to rush the room so theres no pillars for him to lose line of sight and another illusi i sometimes grp with in there prefers we pet pull him to the last room with all the pillars.</P> <P> </P> <P>As for survivability a warden for that encounter is great as they got a nice heat ward, but of course grp members need to crank up the resists also, anything over 6k is workable but 10k is great. I have done the zone with several healer combos and all work ok to varying degrees of ease.  temp/warden temp/defiler and warden/defiler i tend to get most often (due to guild members that also like the zone) and while all are workable, warden/defiler is the by far the best imo. For monk tank the dps members are also important. A swashie being great for their aggro transfer as well as attack debuffs in particular and brig debuffs to take down its defence. Did it once with swashie/dirge which was interesting, lower dps but good survivablity.</P> <P> </P> <P>As the game stands atm the fire namer is pretty much on a par with the boss, so if you get him down you should also manage the boss. pre EoF the boss was quite a lot harder i thought.</P> <P> </P> <P>optimum grp for it with a monk tank i would say is warden/defiler/swashie/brig/illusi , ive never had it set that exact way yet but i reckon it would be pretty good. great debuffs and great dps with top healage. Some people say get a Coercer instead of illusi but i prefer illusi for their extra mezz and also the fact that they can AA to reduce resists on mezzes.</P>

[Bladewind]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Herbster wrote:<BR> Great dps group, but the warlock would certainly be holding back shedloads if you can control numerous encounters.  The paladin should tank that group far better than a monk with amends on the warlock and the assasin passing hate to him/her, especially with a dirge there as that'll increase a monks dps far more than a paladins.......<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah, on paper I'd agree.  The warlock took quellious, so that helps, and the paladin amends him from the offtank position.  It isn't your standard setup, but it works for us.  If the warlock overnukes, the paladin usually gets the aggro, which is nice for me since I don't have to worry about pulling it off instantly.  The peels usually occur when the mobs are at their last 20%, and they die so quickly at that point that I usually just have the pally take the last couple of slugs.  We make it through most encounters without peels at all, but, with this setup, even the peels happen in a controlled manner.  When the paladin MTs, he usually has more problems holding aggro than I do, and, if he loses it, the mob is usally feasting on the warlock straight off.  The warlock recently hit 70, so he is still finding his equilibrium with damage output.  This setup helps us keep him alive better than the more traditional one.

[Anjin]

<P>tbh, anyone with reasonable mitigation/avoidance can tank if you have enough dps.  You are fortunate, if your group didn't have the dps and aggro was pulled, the situation could be a lot worse.</P> <P>Not sure what stance you're fighting in, but if it's anything other that attacking stance, you're wasting dps by being tank.  If your paladin can't keep aggro with 1/2 of the warlocks hate and approx 1/4 of the assassins hate then he honestly has some serious issues.  Maybe check ACT to find out exactly who is pumping out the dps?</P>

[Bladewind]

I usually tank in spider for that zone.  I'm not really sure what you mean by the aggro pull without dps comment.  I think I may have misled you with my talk about controlled peels.  We don't have peels very often, and don't plan to have them at all.  We just have it set up so that if we do, they go to a tank rather than a caster.  As I said before, I have no problem holding aggro.  Not all of our players are hard core, so I don't foist parses, tactics, etc upon them.  So long as everyone has fun, it is all good.  Heroics die in a few seconds anyway, so upping the dps any further is not really a concern.  We also have a guard who rotates into the group from time to time, and we usually have him tank when he is there so I can dps.  That said, I want our fighters (the raiding ones) to have practice and start working on their dps techniques, so I still tank sometimes just to give him a chance to try out new things.

[Zutan]

<p>I was taking T7 instances like Obelisk of Blight on my non-raid equipped monk by the time I was 68.  This only happened in guild groups since "outsiders" are still reluctant to have Monks tank..</p><p>Now that I am a bit more raid equipped (about 5 fabled items and the rest legendary/mastercrafted) and am 70 with 100AA I tank very well. </p><p>Holding agro on a single mob isnt an issue.  I have yet to have "fusion" or other large nukes take agro from me. Heals have never taken agro from me.  Holding agro on multiple mobs is a pain though. With only 1 group taunt I have to use that constantly and tab and dmg each mob a bit.</p>

[Waung]

<cite>Deathspell wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wish it were true, but i've a hard time believing. I rather see a plate tank with solo healer doing instances like T7 Obelisk/Crypt. No way a monk does that with one healer, especially not with a Fury. Please note that the majority of the monks are not 100% Mastered out or 100% Fabled out. Most have legendary gear and 50% masters. And having a class which needs to be totally decked out to the max in order to come near the tanking results of a plate class is not what I call "good tanking". And I didn't even mention the pathetic group aggro control, while the majority of the mobs are grouped. <p></blockquote> </p><p>tanked oob np with a 70 templar (worst healer choice imo for brawlers).  wasn't even a full 70's group with odd choices, guildies/friends thing, it's not bad really once you get some gear and AA's.</p>

[JudyJudy]

<p><i>I love posts like this.  If you ever want to lose enchantment of your class, then this is sometimes the place to be.  People telling you that you can't or someone else can do it better.  However, everyone has a good point here in what they've perceived.  The problem is that everyone's not on the same page.</i></p><p><i>Really, it has to do with the tank's skill.  Bottom line.  Period.</i></p><p><i>Guards, Zerks, Pallys, SK's, Brawlers --> player skill.</i></p><p><i>IMO, out of all of these, the brawler has to work the hardest - particularly on cross-encounter mobs.</i></p>

[mattmandude]

Just thought I'd comment, at level 70 with only 70 AA's, and ALMOST all legendary equipped, with only four masters, I have very little problems tanking zones like HoF, OoB, Valdoon's, etc. For my AA's, I have 4-4-8 in Str/Sta/Int, with 5 in healing, 5 in sprint, the two cures, 4 in tsunami, and one in the final body ability. I rarely have problems with holding aggro, in fact the only time I ever really use my taunts is to engage the encounter, or if there's several mobs (in the case that someone is AoEing). I do also use those gloves that drop in Acadechism... the ones with the taunt proc, which definitely helps. The only time problems arise when I'm tanking, is if the healer can't keep me up... so for Valdoon's or OoB, I try to have two healers.

[Fleaba]

<p>I tanked EoU all the way to the end the other day with my monk. None of us had a clue what to do yet we finished the zone with a total of 2 wipes and around 4 to 6 single deaths from trigger happy casters. We were laughing about how easy the zone was. Or were we laughing at our Illusionist every time a mob popped on us and he screamed into his mic like a girl??? Hmmm can't remember....</p><p>Anyways, our guild had another group in another instance of the zone with a zerker MTing it....they were all nakey and didn't finish it.</p><p>Monks are great tanks if played properly and especially in raid situations when they are in a proper MT group. The people who play monks would get much batter at tanking if people just started to treat them like a tank and expect them to know something about tanking instead of calling them 2nd rate dps.</p>

[Gasheron]

<cite>Fleaball wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I tanked EoU all the way to the end the other day with my monk. None of us had a clue what to do yet we finished the zone with a total of 2 wipes and around 4 to 6 single deaths from trigger happy casters. We were laughing about how easy the zone was. Or were we laughing at our Illusionist every time a mob popped on us and he screamed into his mic like a girl??? Hmmm can't remember....</p><p>Anyways, our guild had another group in another instance of the zone with a zerker MTing it....they were all nakey and didn't finish it.</p><p>Monks are great tanks if played properly and especially in raid situations when they are in a proper MT group. The people who play monks would get much batter at tanking if people just started to treat them like a tank and expect them to know something about tanking instead of calling them 2nd rate dps.</p></blockquote> I also play a 70 monk, and I completely agree with Fleaball. I have so far tanked thru EoU twice, with no more than 2 wipes each, and a couple odd deaths here and there. I have no masters and only about half my equip is legendary. Monks can make great tanks, people just dont believe in us.

[Waung]

for the fire named in niz, you might also check with an alchemist about getting some elemental ward potions.  think they ward like 2k damage or something like that?  and heat resists are the major factor there, we just charged in and burned when i've done it.

[Deathspell]

I noticed some people quoted a previous post of mine, to be honest I didn't read all of it, but apparently this gave some bad blood. However, things have changed between then and now. Brawlers have their stances more tweaked now (not to mention changes to other classes), so it may not be a wise to quote an old post. I've also tanked OOB, COV, etc... and more then once i've seen a single fury not being able to keep a plate tank up. I don't have a problem finding a group, but thing is, when people are looking for a tank they first look for plate and when absolutely no plate is available they start considering a monk. And I'm sorry, but I see this all the time when I'm grouped with my mage class.

[Anjin]

<p>Personally I find tanking this zone easier with my Monk than my Berserker.  The reason being FD.  FD is absolutely fabulous when pulling the shards at the end.</p>

[Salarionn]

<p>   I have a guildy that i would let tank any zone for me . The fact he is a monk doesnt enter my mind really. I feel lazy for a day , " Kinz is tanking " im on AF ". I get a call during a instance i have no problem asking Kinz to take over while im gone so my group doesnt get bored. I cant recall any bad situations that came up while he was doing the tanking for anything.</p><p>   The bottom line for EQ classes is the person rocking the keys. You have a person who knows the class they play inside and out , you will find them doing things most think are  impossible to the regular joe who plays the game not the class.</p><p>    I only hate one thing that damned monk does  to me. I see that pretty shiney in < insert zone > he likes to FD me , ninja harvest it !!!! [Removed for Content] THE FD SHINEY HARVEST !!!!</p>

[Hydor]

<p>I thought I should just add a thought since my main is a monk.</p><p>Tanking any heroic zone except Castle Mistmoore may be means NOTHING. Believe it or not any well equipped scout can be the MT in heroic zones. I ve been to a group with a Ranger tanking Nizzara from the begging to the end including the last mob.</p><p>The point is as I already said, being succesful at tanking heroic zones doesn't mean a thing.</p><p>The only way to make a difference is tanking epics imo. Now this IS doable. Luckily for me there were a few times that no plate tank was online and I got a shot at tanking crab and a few cube mobs. Successfully! phew!</p><p>What I think is, if you like tanking stop thinking about heroic instances. The only way to make a difference is getting out there and tanking the EPICS! Give your best and give the brawler classes the "tanking" respect they deserve!</p>