What where the art people thinking...

[Zenith]

Ok here we see the relic for monks (chest piece) and the excarnate (legs and gloves).What were they thinking??? It's a blasted mini skirt in non soga mode... I won't even bring up the wraps of torment.<img src="http://www.innerflameguild.com/hst/sogamonk.jpg"><img src="http://www.innerflameguild.com/hst/nosogamonk.jpg">O.o I mean... come on...

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Keep in mind the art team develops armors SPECIFICALLY WITH THE NORMAL MODELS IN MIND.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The SOGA models aren't even an afterthought. The art team isn't suppose to design the armor for them. I mean look at the Monk Hat on soga models.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Normal:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/Roundhat.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Soga:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/SOGAhat.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That said, I really see no issue with the relic armor. Just because it has a protective flap makes it a miniskirt?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>10-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:45 AM</span>

[shirka]

hmm, I thought the pants are hideous. Wore the leather monk/bruiser robe for awhile to cover it.Unitl I got the chest item. Now I'm marginally presentable.Zenithan, you think it's a miniskirt? Try a female char all covered up in that leather...I'd say: more skin on women! (no offense intended here for al those sensitive characters out there)The only pro is: all the men are fascinated with all the little buttons on it, hehe. They keep trying to undo them......At least I can run into a group of mobs and fd. Then they can't reach me, LOL!<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Personally I think it looks fine on female characters. Though I do agree I'd rather show off more skin.</DIV>

[Kamimura]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Keep in mind the art team develops armors SPECIFICALLY WITH THE NORMAL MODELS IN MIND.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>"It's a blasted mini skirt in <EM>non soga</EM> mode"<BR>I think his problem is with the normal models.<BR><BR>I also think it looks strangely stretched in the normal model. :smileyindifferent:

[Bladewind]

<P>Tune up the detail setting for cloth simulation and the stretchy look goes away.</P> <P> </P> <P>The real problem with the flaps is when you move and a second flap suddely appears fluttering in the wind while the original remains in place plastered to your buttocks - similar to the hood issue on robes.</P>

[Tilane]

<P>its really time the art teams come up with some fantasy / xena looking armors instead of these leather coveralls , my take on EQ2 armor is that it has the worst Armor models while having a super great graphics engine to power some sweet looking stuff </P> <P>its time they start doing something with it </P> <P>good thing i got full excarnate , at least its red , i hated the patchwork blue , red and green look</P>

[Bladewind]

I prefer the current leather models and the occasional gi to leather and suede bikinis.  The EQ2 staff went with a more realistic/historic look with their armors, and that adds to the immersion for me.  Sure, there is a bit of extra ornamentation, but they are functional for the most part.  Leather bikinis or wow-style cartoon suits with grossly exagerrated features would clash horribly with the feel of the world.  Stylistically, I have always thought of eq2 as looking like a masterwork painting in motion (at least when the old vid card can handle it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />).

[Chay]

<div><blockquote><hr>shirka wrote:Zenithan, you think it's a miniskirt? Try a female char all covered up in that leather...I'd say: more skin on women! (no offense intended here for al those sensitive characters out there)The only pro is: all the men are fascinated with all the little buttons on it, hehe. They keep trying to undo them......At least I can run into a group of mobs and fd. Then they can't reach me, LOL!<div></div><hr></blockquote>I'm all for more skin on female characters and I'm a female. I like looking good.  I'd kill for a decent skirt and a cropped top! LOL! I also like armor that shows my arms on my monk. A monk should have less restrictive armor even if its classed as leather.I think it was one of the Guild Wars sights that had a picture of what they call a ritualist... I thought that would be intriguing armor/wardrobe for a monk... </div>

[selch]

Relic chest should have "Gi of the Ashen Disciple" art to cover all, not other SM stuff.And for skin, I dont mind skin covered rather than our classes are picked "just to fashion show".<p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>10-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:18 AM</span>

[Zenith]

No I think what makes it a miniskirt is that it goes just above the knees. Also there's a "flap" on the sides and back. Another odd thing, the skin disease texture used for the leggings part of them. Honestly it looks like a kilt. I'm a monk... And the Gi's don't look monk like either. They look like some sort of tissue paper bondage gear.<img src="http://www.innerflameguild.com/hst/ghostwraps.jpg">Nope, sorry. Nothing "monk" like about that. Charging into battle against dragons barefoot, nipples to the wind, and with that weird S&M strap on my chest... at least the female version looks better. There's a actual chest piece and such.EDIT: My rice bowl hat looks perfeclty fine in soga, no edges cut or anything.<p>Message Edited by ZenTouma on <span class=date_text>10-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:53 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZenTouma wrote:<BR><BR><BR>And the Gi's don't look monk like either. They look like some sort of tissue paper bondage gear.<BR><BR><IMG src="http://www.innerflameguild.com/hst/ghostwraps.jpg"><BR><BR>Nope, sorry. Nothing "monk" like about that. Charging into battle against dragons barefoot, nipples to the wind, and with that weird S&M strap on my chest... at least the female version looks better. There's a actual chest piece and such.<BR><BR>EDIT: My rice bowl hat looks perfeclty fine in soga, no edges cut or anything. <P>Message Edited by ZenTouma on <SPAN class=date_text>10-18-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:53 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>But that's how Sony defines the Monk class and Appearance, so they do look like monks and it suits them.</P> <P> </P> <P>Hmmm.. maybe it only happens for female models then with the hat.<BR></P>

[psubull]

<div><blockquote>Monk:<img src="http://www.pmi-usa.org/Planeta_Tierra/Relig_i/mini/..%5C..%5CFotos%5CCorel%5Cimages/Birmania%20-%20Quatro%20monges,%20Mingun.jpg">Not monk<img src="http://www.innerflameguild.com/hst/ghostwraps.jpg"></blockquote></div>

[selch]

Point is PSUBULLET;Photo of those monks are not fighters, they are more priests than fighters.Even I hate the all anime drawing of GW (and strongly hate all SOGA in EQ2) following would be neat armor to wear (Yet better, let us wear Gi as in cloak slot over our casual armor) so I can re-use my Gi of the Ashen Disciple <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />PS: While I agree that I don't like "blanket" Gi, they are basically formed from ancient armors and outfits. <img src="http://gwnorden.no-ip.org/gwn/images/monk/monk.jpg"><p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:54 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Like I said. SONY DEFINES THE APPEARANCE FOR MONKS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What they say goes. They say that monks look like that, and I agree.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think monks look like monks in this game.</DIV>

[AndrewSquared]

<img src="http://www.monksok.org/Monks%20at%20Fountain.jpg"> These are just as valid for saying how monks should appear. <div></div><blockquote><hr>psubullet wrote:<div><blockquote>Monk:<img src="http://www.pmi-usa.org/Planeta_Tierra/Relig_i/mini/..%5C..%5CFotos%5CCorel%5Cimages/Birmania%20-%20Quatro%20monges,%20Mingun.jpg">Not monk<img src="http://www.innerflameguild.com/hst/ghostwraps.jpg"></blockquote></div><hr></blockquote><div></div><p>Message Edited by AndrewSquared on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:42 AM</span>

[KazzySoJaz]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Like I said. SONY DEFINES THE APPEARANCE FOR MONKS.</div> <div> </div> <div>What they say goes. They say that monks look like that, and I agree.</div> <div> </div> <div>I think monks look like monks in this game.</div><hr></blockquote><div></div>*hands Cusa a paper towel to get the brown stuff off of his face*Back OT though, monks do not look like any traditional monk period in any sense, the gi's are kind of close but still horribly done, having said that, I personally could not do any better, but I am also not an artist...

[psubull]

<div></div>I linked the wrong picture.  See there are many types of monks.AndrewSquared posted a picture of Christian Monks.  They perform exorcisms, tend to the sick and spread the word of Christianity in far off countries.My first picture was of buddhist monks; nonaggressive devout worshippers of Buddha whom help the poor at times, but mostly sit in seclusive prayer from society.And what I really meant to link was this picture:<img src="http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/art/o/l/oliveira/shaolin.jpg">This is a drawing of a Shaolin monk, the one that the monk class in both EQ1 and EQ2 is clearly based upon.  They are the buddhist soldier monks that protected the Shaolin temple in China.  They are known throughout history to withstand immense physical pain and have unfathomable vitality.  Many of the EQ2 monk attacks are actually named after Shaolin attacks, great job devs on this research!I know that SOE says what an EQ2 monk looks like.  However they have, from time to time, been swayed by, /gasp, opinions!<p>Message Edited by psubullet on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:07 PM</span>

[Bladewind]

Silk kung fu gi is what I am looking for as well. I love the sketch, psubullet. That outfit would make me a happy monky indeed.

[Xada]

<P>I would kill, I mean absolutely <STRONG>KILL</STRONG>, for one of those shaolin style outfits for my female monk. Orange would be alright, but I would really love a more subdued colour. But, I think if they ever did put something like this in game, it would only look like this for males. Ours would probably be crotchless or something <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> Also, a classic black kung fu style suit, with white trim would be nice. This could be done with the current PJ style female gi, just needs a recolour. The male counterpart could use the ashen gi graphic. Maybe black pants with black and white boots, and white arm wraps.</P>

[Bladewind]

The clothes they put on the whistling fist npcs at least come close. I'd be glad to have an outfit like that, even.

[Xada]

<P>Yes, the Fallen Dynasty NPCs filled me with envy <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P>

[JudyJudy]

<P><EM>Thundersmasher - that pic is [Removed for Content] awesome.</EM></P> <P><EM>Great representation of how I view fighting monks.</EM></P>

[Dord]

I've got to sign up to a shaolin/kung fu monk look. Just sweated literally hours away to get blood drenched gi. As a Wood elf its too embarrassing to wear. Something to cover up my skinny (but rock hard) pecs please! 

[Buttertart]

Love that Shaolin look myself...love those wrapped shoe/boots. They make sense. Keep the pants out of being trippable and protect our feet while still keeping us light and fluid <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  LOVE IT. I wish they would do something like that with a wrap type jacket/shirt.  I'd even roll a bald female barbarian for that one <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  (My little wood elf would look a tad ridiculous bald haha)<div></div>

[psubull]

i wanna wear an outfit like that on my [Removed for Content] troll monk, beyahhhhh<div></div>