I am starting to give up on monks like all of you.... SOE IS RUN BY LOBOTOMIZED INDIVIDUALS

[Mescali]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>    Alright i have been playing my monk since the game came out.  I loved the class and loved some of the strange features we got, but being at endgame for a LONG time now i see no use for us.  Does soe just plan on having our class dwindle out of existence, BECAUSE  WE HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER ON RAIDS! Some would argue feign death to save the raid, BUT GRAB AN FING NECRO OR SK!!!  So how about our melee dps.  WELL GRAB A FING BERSERKER.  Sooooo considering that, everyone knows we cant tank comparatively in any degree to plate tanks and our haste buff is A MINOR UTILITY, what are we left with.  I tell you what, to die and rot away.  People are leaving monks ritualistically everyday to betray and become a bruiser or level their alts up to 70 and replace the monk.  SOE GET AN FING BRAIN!!!  The only people who think monks are great are those who do solo and group instanced content.  Other than that every person who is experienced as a monk knows we are the red headed step child of the game.  Please wise up in the next expansion SOE or else the monk will prolly die forever.    Give us something we can use in raids, such as utility TO REALLY HELP A RAID, not some halfass avoidance sheit that might as well be useless, because what kind of idiot puts the monk in a main tank group.  I am not complaing about dps. I am not complaining about avoidance.  I JUST WANNA BE USED AND APPRECIATED!!! (at least a lil bit).<mezca shoots heroin and cries in the corner while cradling himself to sleep>I hate you soeSincerely,<p>Message Edited by Mescaline on <span class="date_text">09-27-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:51 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Mescaline on <span class="date_text">09-27-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:54 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Mescaline on <span class="date_text">09-27-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:54 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Mescaline on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:58 AM</span>

[calvin]

<div></div>Brother as you know from the serveral chats we have had about it I am right there with you on this.  I have resorted to raising other classes in the event that the AA changes in the expansion just don't cut it.  I am even considering betrayal even though I would loose my masters.  I can only hope we get some love in this next expansion.{Tasi uses Mezca's needle and curls up in the other corner}<div></div><p>Message Edited by calvinek on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:59 AM</span>

[Timzil]

My monk plays just fine. I couldn't care less about what passes for a raiding game in EQ2, but if your guild has a DPS minimum standard then the problem is on the players side of the game.

[Mescali]

    All I have to say is NOOB ALERT!!! NOOB ALERT!!!!<div></div>

[Timzil]

awwww

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<DIV>That's not the problem Tinzilla... people will play with each other regardless of class. The problem comes when you can't beat encounters because your raid isn't doing enough DPS, etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Things are only going to get harder... EoF is supposed to have harder raids than KoS was. Maybe we can afford to use brawlers right now as okay DPS... but when you start getting into the harder encounters, the raid does what it has to to beat the encounter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sure you can still do trash runs, or get everything but the couple "hard named"... but if you want to succeed, you are going to have to switch out that brawler for some higher DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And as for betrayal.. it's not really any better on the Bruiser side. I have a bruiser, and have resorted to playing my Coercer on 95%+ of the raids I go to. There's already 1-3 Brawlers in each raid, mine would be more than superfluous. As it stands... my Bruiser has nearly maxed AAs, was 70 long ago, and finished a lot more quests... but it's my Coercer that has all the fabled gear, and fully adept 3'd and Master'd.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't like it, but it's the way things are headed.</DIV>

[calvin]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Timzilla wrote:<div></div>My monk plays just fine. I couldn't care less about what passes for a raiding game in EQ2, but if your guild has a DPS minimum standard then the problem is on the players side of the game.<hr></blockquote>dude it is not a people issue when the mob can only be taken down by a certain amount of DPS and if you have to choose between a monk or any other dps like class monk is going to be the poor choice.  likewise raid mobs that have damage shields and or massive AOE monks are forced to range and joust which again is a dps loss.  Most raid leaders would never choose a monk over say a brig, berzerker, bruiser, etc.  Don't get us wrong we raid plenty with our guild but there is not much we can bring to the table being so middle of the road in class between tank and dps.<div></div><p>Message Edited by calvinek on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:22 AM</span>

[VW_Factor]

*watches*<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Hey. Don't put me in with the rest of the people in your assumption. I enjoy playing the monk class and will stick with it no matter what.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I find plenty of utility on raids and I have no problem.</DIV>

[KazzySoJaz]

<div></div>raiding splitpaw doesn't count cusa...<div></div>*edit* mispelled his name<p>Message Edited by KazzySoJazzy on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:54 AM</span>

[Mescali]

<div></div>Yeah well the harder content you get to, the less opportunity you will have to be useful.  And u say we have utility? Barely enough to consider our class an important one to have along.  Sure good players in a good guild will find a way to make a monk useful BUT ITS HARD!  I go on the broker and there is 2 pages of high quality pure fabled eq for monks.  You want to know why? Because raid guilds are not using them in most raids and not recruiting them.We still should get some love and why argue that we are OK as a class when we are nothing comparative to all other classes.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Mescaline on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:58 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KazzySoJazzy wrote:<BR> raiding splitpaw doesn't count cusa...<BR> <BR>*edit* mispelled his name<BR> <P>Message Edited by KazzySoJazzy on <SPAN class=date_text>09-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:54 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Considering I've never raided splitpaw, I have no clue what your talking about.

[JudyJudy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mescaline wrote:<BR> Sure good players in a good guild will find a way to make a monk useful BUT ITS HARD!  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><EM>...but possible, my friend.  But possible.</EM></P> <P><EM>I feel your pain, brother.  Trust me.  Hold out a bit longer until EoF.  Let's see if things change a bit.  Supposedly there is an avoidance fix on the way, and new AA's that may help define our role a little more clearly.</EM></P> <P><EM>Although currently, to be honest - I'm very lucky.  I have a guild leader that recognizes what our strengths are and uses me as needed.</EM><BR></P>

[Mescali]

<div></div>    I am lucky too kaio i have good friends in my guild and they know i have skills that can be utilized, but it is still just not as effective as it should be.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Mescaline on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:15 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Just wondering, but have you ever been inside Nizara in Fallen Dynasty?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That zone is NOT for plate tanks. They get chewed up in seconds. Monks and Bruisers need to tank those zones because plate tanks dont stand half a chance.</DIV>

[KazzySoJaz]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> KazzySoJazzy wrote: <div></div>raiding splitpaw doesn't count cusa... <div></div>*edit* mispelled his name <p>Message Edited by KazzySoJazzy on <span class="date_text">09-27-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:54 AM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote>Considering I've never raided splitpaw, I have no clue what your talking about.<hr></blockquote>Because your sense of humor skill = 0/250Followed closely by your know [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] you're talking about skill which = 1/250</div>

[Mescali]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Just wondering, but have you ever been inside Nizara in Fallen Dynasty?</div> <div> </div> <div>That zone is NOT for plate tanks. They get chewed up in seconds. Monks and Bruisers need to tank those zones because plate tanks dont stand half a chance.</div><hr></blockquote>First of all, Nizara is a group zone, not a raid zone, and second, I can't tell if you're joking or not. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KazzySoJazzy wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KazzySoJazzy wrote:<BR> raiding splitpaw doesn't count cusa...<BR> <BR>*edit* mispelled his name<BR> <P>Message Edited by KazzySoJazzy on <SPAN class=date_text>09-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:54 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Considering I've never raided splitpaw, I have no clue what your talking about.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because your sense of humor skill = 0/250<BR><BR>Followed closely by your know [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] you're talking about skill which = 1/250<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>And you have lost a point in showing sarcasm on a message board in which for people to tell if you're joking or not.  -3/250</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>and yes, I'm serious about Nizara. Every plate tank I see that goes in there gets absolutely devastated because they dont have any avoidance.</P>

[Mescali]

yeah u r so right!!! MONKS FTW IN NIZARA!!! Sigh, ignorance is bliss aint it....<div></div>

[Mescali]

<div></div>On a serious note, you must go in with some pretty terrible plate tanks, considering we've cleared the zone with both a guardian and a paladin.Anyways, feel free to tell me what your experiences in a single-group instance have to do with brawler usefulness on raids compared to other classes.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Mescaline on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:26 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>No thanks. Whatever I say, you'll just twist the words around to make the monk sound even more useless.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I find plenty of raid utility with Altruism, group haste, Tsunami pulling, and high DPS.</DIV>

[Supp]

<DIV><FONT color=#cccccc>I do get into lots of raids myself, and I like to think it's not due to charity. Obviously, I'm real handy in Deathtoll for springing traps, but only one brawler is needed. I do MA for our raids too, because brawlers can take more of a beating than scouts. But again, you only need one of those. Im also good for spawning mobs, and generally looking better than everyone else present, well.. except for the soga wood elf chix, and most notably when they themselves are brawlers. Hehe. Anyway, I like to think the reason I get into all those raids is because the player behind the toon is dependable, because I do realize my toon utility is only quasi-useful.</FONT></DIV>

[VW_Factor]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>No thanks. Whatever I say, you'll just twist the words around to make the monk sound even more useless.</div> <div> </div> <div>I find plenty of raid utility with Altruism, group haste, Tsunami pulling, and high DPS.</div><hr></blockquote>Must be pretty tough competing for raid spots with the other 20 brawlers out of the like 300 in your guild..  Look at your buffs and other skills, then compare with other classes..  What do you see?  <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> VW_Factor wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>No thanks. Whatever I say, you'll just twist the words around to make the monk sound even more useless.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I find plenty of raid utility with Altruism, group haste, Tsunami pulling, and high DPS.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Must be pretty tough competing for raid spots with the other 20 brawlers out of the like 300 in your guild..  <BR><BR>Look at your buffs and other skills, then compare with other classes..  What do you see?<BR>  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Actually it's pretty easy when your the only one.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><EM>Look at your buffs and other skills, then compare with other classes..  What do you see?</EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P>I see the abilities that other classes are designed to have because it's thier purpose to give them.</P> <P><EM><BR></EM></P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:06 PM</span>

[Shankonia]

<DIV>There is nothing that a Monk can tank that a Guardian cannot tank better.  It's that simple.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I play a Monk, and am currently the only tank in my guild to have tanked Nizara all the way through, killing every encounter in the zone.  I've actually found however when i'm in that zone with our Guardian, we handle things with much more ease while he's behind that steering wheel of agg.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn....or Ouka....who are you?  I'm a Monk on Kithicor as well and i'd like to know who you are before I agree or disagree with you on this board.  I don't know any atm on the server named Ouka.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shangortu</DIV> <DIV>Kithicor</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[StarryEyedElf]

<DIV>Sorry, but there are parts of this thread that are anything but constructive. You can voice your opinion, but can it be done in a way that doesn't involve heroin, declaring your undying hatred for SOE, and "noob alerts"?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks.</DIV>