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Krazed
01-23-2006, 10:44 AM
I know the DW vs. 2h debate has been overdone, and in a way this is an extension of that discussion, but I would feel much more comfortable with advice on the subject before I shell out the money for either of these weapon set-ups.  I just turned level 40 and am trying to decide on which weapons I want to use, possibly for the next 10 levels.  It's come down to one of these two options:(DW)  2 pristine imbued augmented leather fist wrap(s)DPS = 28.8Speed = 1.45% chance of proc with max damage of 28318 AGI/ 11 STR/ 68 health-Power(combined, of course)OR(2h) Sandblasted MaulDPS = 54.9Speed = 2.412 INT/ 10 AGI/ 11 STR/ 12 WIS/ 68 Health-PowerNow my intial thought was definately to go with the Maul, which is a fabled weapon, whereas the fistwraps are player crafted and therefore Legendary.  However, I'm concerned that, with the speed of the fistwraps and the haste of monks along with the double procs, that the DW option might actually end up doing more damage than the Maul.  However, I admit that I don't have much knowledge of how the whole weapons system works, mathmatically-wise, and I was hoping for a definative answer from someone who did.<div></div>

x0rtrun
01-23-2006, 11:09 AM
What is your current self-haste? If you are less than 100% most of the time a 1.4 delay won't be a waste.I'd probably go with the DW option over the maul. It'll probably be better in almost every respect. Unfortunate as that may be.<div></div>

Krazed
01-23-2006, 11:50 AM
My haste, well let's see.I have Everburning Flame Master II, which is 30%, but I don't have it on all the time. I have Wisdom of Zephyl Master II, which is another 13.6%I have Whispering Blessing Adept3, which I think is like 27%, but I forget exactly how much at the moment.And I hope to have FBSS by 42, but that's not a given.So right now I'm sitting at about 70%Is it possible to have 100% haste by 40, anyway?  That would be impressive

Krazed
01-23-2006, 11:52 AM
I could always go with dual cestus, which are speed 2.0, or cestii, which are 1.6I prefer the look of the fist wraps, but if a little slower weapon would be better I could deal with it.

Junaru
01-23-2006, 08:18 PM
The DW weapons will out damage the maul. I know for a fact since I have both weapons (except I have the cestus not the wraps). I parse about 20 DPS more with my DW then with the maul. But then again I paid 60g for the maul (fabled but very common) and 50g for each cestus. The last time I was in Nek Castle I was parsing 180ish with the maul and 200ish with the cestus against green Heroics. I was L42 and 76.7% self hasted (Master I Everburning Flame[30%], Master I Quiet Purity[15.7%] and Master I Tranquil Blessing[31%]).I'm not sure if a fable item changes your ability to hit higher level mobs but against orange cons I still fair well with my DW. I'll have to parse myself against orange cons with my  maul and compare.Also I don't know 100% for sure BUT I remember reading a post from Moorgard saying that DW crafted weapons does not give you a better percent to proc over a two hand weapon.<div><span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<blockquote><hr>j_g121 wrote:Also, would dual wielding keep aggro better than a sword/shield combo or 2hander?<hr></blockquote><p>Keep in mind that dual wield isn't a skill in our game like it is in EQ; it's a weapon type. We have dual-wield weapons, one-handed weapons, and two-handed weapons. The basic design is that a dual-wield weapon would do half the overall damage over time of an equivalent two-handed weapon, although the damage rating will be higher on the dual-wield combo to account for some of the variance in how the weapons work in practice. One handed weapons do about 75% of the damage of either of the other two types, but allow shields or symbols to be equipped depending on your class.</p><p>The important thing to remember with dual-wield weapons is that one of them can often be equipped by anyone who can use that type of weapon. For example, a templar could equip a crafted dual-wield hammer in their primary slot, though unlike fighters they couldn't equip a second one. For such classes, dual-wield weapons function as a one-handed weapon. However, those classes are much better off equipping a proper one-handed weapon, since the damage and stats will be higher over a dual-wield weapon of the same level and quality.</p><p>Proc chances are normalized between dual-wield and two-handed weapons, so they should have a similar overall chance to proc over time. <font color="#ff0000"><b>You don't gain twice the effectiveness by using two dual-wield weapons.</b></font></p><p>As far as aggro generation, the important thing is how much damage you do, not how often you hit. If you're in a situation where two characters are continually vying for the top spot on a mob's hate list, the faster dual-wield weapons may allow more chances to do damage and swing the aggro your way. But on the other hand, a slower weapon with a larger damage hit may take aggro and hold it for longer while a faster weapon with smaller numbers takes longer to get it back.</p><p>In other words, it is fairly situational and often comes down to personal preference and playstyle. There is no "this choice is always better" approach.</p><hr></blockquote><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spells&message.id=3080&query.id=0#M3080">From this post.</a></span></div><div></div>

x0rtrun
01-23-2006, 11:14 PM
Even though it may not be twice the effectiveness, i think it was shown that you will proc more with 2 imbued weapons than you would with just one.Maybe we should be getting one imbued for the proc, and one non for the stats...<div></div>

Jessyme
01-23-2006, 11:50 PM
<div>I know that you are going for one or the other right now, but when your budget permits you might want to purchase both a crushing weapon and a slashing weapon as some mobs are immune or have resistances to one or the other.  Both of the weapons you have listed are crushing damage.  The cestii is a nice dual wield slashing weapon when you have funds available, and they can be crafted by players from rare leather which has gotten much less expensive of late.</div><div> </div><div>Good luck with your decision!</div><div> </div><div>Quijana</div><div>Lost Coast Privateers, Nektulos</div>

Junaru
01-24-2006, 12:46 AM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jessyme wrote:<div>I know that you are going for one or the other right now, but when your budget permits you might want to purchase both a crushing weapon and a slashing weapon as some mobs are immune or have resistances to one or the other.  Both of the weapons you have listed are crushing damage.  The cestii is a nice dual wield slashing weapon when you have funds available, and they can be crafted by players from rare leather which has gotten much less expensive of late.</div><div> </div><div>Good luck with your decision!</div><div> </div><div>Quijana</div><div>Lost Coast Privateers, Nektulos</div><hr></blockquote>And this is why I have both. <span>:smileywink:</span></span></div>