Monks as MT at higher levels

[Rapinis]

This is a question for you 30+ Monks,As LFG do groups readily take you as their main tank?How do you handle encounters that are white^^^ when your in a full group as a MT?<div></div>

[Harpax]

<div></div><p>Haven't done too much raid tanking, but in my normal group its me, a ranger, a templar, and a fury.  We have no issues taking down yellow ^^^ heroics.</p><p> </p><p>Use the abilities that you have at your disposal. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[arka]

<div></div><p>Yep, no problem as MT and I'm 34. Tanked Runneye the other night, and ROV golems without a problem. </p><p> </p><p>Arky</p>

[Junaru]

I don't normally group outside of my guild and we have higher level plate tanks that I let handle the tanking.. But from time to time I have been asked to tank for groups and had no problems. I often get blind invites from groups looking for a tank. So I doubt you will have much problems finding a group that wants you to tank. Now fidning a group looking for DPS who will take a Monk is another story. I had one group in RE looking for DPS. I finally convinced them I could fill the roll. The whole night I parsed either 1st or 2nd in DPS all night long.<div></div>

[Elarai]

Tell you the truth, 9/10 groups i'm in i am the MT. I am lvl 52 right now and i tank named heroic *** on a regular basis. Best advice i have for you is get top notch equipment. Make sure to keep that avoidance up and use your stuns, stiffles, and knock down/backs in a timed manner and you won't even be taking much damage. As for keeping aggro that is a breeze. I can keep aggro without even using a taunt once in a fight. Just use your dragon stance or advance if you have that. You also need to learn how to switch b/w your offensive and defensive stances as the haste helps generate more threat.Just a few cents from a fellow monk.<div></div>

[Supernova17]

We don't wear Plate, so most common idiots swear up and down that Monks and Brusiers are not tanks, which is a false assumption. I've had those groups looking for a tank that will snap me up to do just that, groups that will tell me "No, we need a tank" and I'm like errr.... and groups that invite me but have no idea of my potential and come to enjoy having me tank for them.It's just people's perception and knowledge here, a Monk is as good an XP tank as the rest, better in fact becuase of higher DPS and better single target aggro than most classes have.<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

<div></div>Leveling up my Warden (Level 40 Now).  I prefer healing a avg equipped Brawler (Monk or Bruiser) as opposed to any other tank at this level in EXP Grind groups.It goes much smoother, I use less power, tank uses less power, since tank does more dps than other fighters, DPS use less power, we chain pull and things run extremely smooth.Monks make great main tanks in groups.And, they also do good on Epic mobs too.  Ledbetter(Monk) of Vagabonds on Unrest is one of the main tanks.

[Gaige]

<div></div>Yup, I've tanked a few epics too, some routinely like Terrorantula and the like.  Just use your skills and keep your gear up to date and you'll be fine.

[Crest]

<div></div>I often group with a paladin and when he is there I leave the MT role to him and go into my offensive stance.  He drops his aggro transfer buff on me and I throw my avoidance buff on him and it works pretty well.  Whenever he is not there, I take over tanking and do just fine.  I think it comes down to how your group works together best.

[nobunaga_x]

<div>56 monk here.  I tanked Hidden cache and Roost 2 nights ago with ease.  Tanked Megolemus easily last night also.</div><div> </div><div>In most groups I am tank now.   If you use your tank ability's you will have no issues being the tank, but hard to hit anything over white.  I usually go with the balanced stance and adjust accordingly.</div>

[Rrawl]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Crestus wrote:<div></div>I often group with a paladin and when he is there I leave the MT role to him and go into my offensive stance.  He drops his aggro transfer buff on me and I throw my avoidance buff on him and it works pretty well.  Whenever he is not there, I take over tanking and do just fine.  I think it comes down to how your group works together best.<hr></blockquote><p>One day you should have him try put avoidance buff and lend his armor to you, if you're similarly equipped you might be surprised at how well you compare as the tank. (=</p><p>Message Edited by Rrawl on <span class="date_text">01-11-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:17 PM</span></p>

[Crest]

<blockquote><hr>Rrawl wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Crestus wrote:<div></div>I often group with a paladin and when he is there I leave the MT role to him and go into my offensive stance.  He drops his aggro transfer buff on me and I throw my avoidance buff on him and it works pretty well.  Whenever he is not there, I take over tanking and do just fine.  I think it comes down to how your group works together best.<hr></blockquote><p>One day you should have him try put avoidance buff and lend his armor to you, if you're similarly equipped you might be surprised at how well you compare as the tank. (=</p><p>Message Edited by Rrawl on <span class="date_text">01-11-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:17 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>I actually have a couple levels on him and similar gear and I know I can tank for the group as well as he can.  The point I was trying to make can be expressed in this way more clearly.  Not actual ratios mind you, just for example purposes:</p><p>Pally DPS = xMonk DPS = 2xDef stance factor = 0.5Off stance factor = 1.5</p><p>                   Pally         MonkPally tank = (x * 0.5) + (2x * 1.5) = 3.5xMonk tank = (x * 1.5) + (2x * 0.5) = 2.5x</p><p>Based on this example Pally tank maximizes group DPS.</p><p>I encourage anyone to explain how I might be in error in my thinking.  I am always willing to learn.</p>

[Rrawl]

<div><blockquote><hr>Crestus wrote:<blockquote><hr>Rrawl wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Crestus wrote:<div></div>I often group with a paladin and when he is there I leave the MT role to him and go into my offensive stance.  He drops his aggro transfer buff on me and I throw my avoidance buff on him and it works pretty well.  Whenever he is not there, I take over tanking and do just fine.  I think it comes down to how your group works together best.<hr></blockquote><p>One day you should have him try put avoidance buff and lend his armor to you, if you're similarly equipped you might be surprised at how well you compare as the tank. (=</p><p>Message Edited by Rrawl on <span class="date_text">01-11-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:17 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>I actually have a couple levels on him and similar gear and I know I can tank for the group as well as he can.  The point I was trying to make can be expressed in this way more clearly.  Not actual ratios mind you, just for example purposes:</p><p>Pally DPS = xMonk DPS = 2xDef stance factor = 0.5Off stance factor = 1.5</p><p>                   Pally         MonkPally tank = (x * 0.5) + (2x * 1.5) = 3.5xMonk tank = (x * 1.5) + (2x * 0.5) = 2.5x</p><p>Based on this example Pally tank maximizes group DPS.</p><p>I encourage anyone to explain how I might be in error in my thinking.  I am always willing to learn.</p><hr></blockquote>It is incorrect to assume a Monk will be in defensive stance any time they are tanking. At the very least you are not taking Spider/Black Widow Stance into account at all... And depending on the healer makeup of your group and/or the con level of the mobs you are facing, you might even tank in offensive...</div><div> </div><div>There are only very rare occasions I ever use defensive stance.</div>

[Supernova17]

Pally maximizing DPS? Um no.Monks can duel wield, self haste to the cap and higher damage CA's.I am normally in middle stance when tanking. Offenisve stance for tanking weaker mobs or in a DPS role in a group or raid. Defensive stance if I'm getting my [Removed for Content] beat or pulling a raid mob to survive after Tsunami + Ward drops.<div></div>

[Quijonsith]

<div></div>47 monk here.  (would be higher by now but just got back from a month of leave).  I've been MT since lvl 20.  Usually duo'd with a warden in my guild till he passed me up rapidly.  95% of the time in pickup groups i'm MT.  only time i haven't been is when I grouped with a guardian.  I didn't suggest me being mt because then he wouldn't have had much to do, certainly not dps. I quite often tank in offensive stance, though usually i'm in spider stance to get the best of both worlds.  I only go defense on really big named.  Heck I've been invited to a group as a DPS role and wound up being MT and DPS.  =D   and the only time I have to use my taunts to hold aggro is when there are heavy dps in the group (dirge, wizard, ranger, conjuror, etc) and in multi-mob encounters.A tip on multi-mobs:  Tell the group to pick a mob and stay there (usually works best to have another melee class as MA for the group) and rotate through the mobs every time you see dragon stance proc (it's easy to spot, looks exactly like if you taunt) while throwing out your group and single target taunts for good measure.Side note: a pally I used to group with made a wonderful backup healer for me.  My gear was far better than his so I MT'd and he helped keep my [Removed for Content] alive with his avoidance buff on me, his stuns, and his heal if the MH ever had a fizzle fest.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Quijonsith on <span class="date_text">01-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:02 AM</span></p>

[Crest]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rrawl wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Crestus wrote:<blockquote><hr>Rrawl wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Crestus wrote:<div></div>I often group with a paladin and when he is there I leave the MT role to him and go into my offensive stance.  He drops his aggro transfer buff on me and I throw my avoidance buff on him and it works pretty well.  Whenever he is not there, I take over tanking and do just fine.  I think it comes down to how your group works together best.<hr></blockquote><p>One day you should have him try put avoidance buff and lend his armor to you, if you're similarly equipped you might be surprised at how well you compare as the tank. (=</p><p>Message Edited by Rrawl on <span class="date_text">01-11-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:17 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>I actually have a couple levels on him and similar gear and I know I can tank for the group as well as he can.  The point I was trying to make can be expressed in this way more clearly.  Not actual ratios mind you, just for example purposes:</p><p>Pally DPS = xMonk DPS = 2xDef stance factor = 0.5Off stance factor = 1.5</p><p>                   Pally         MonkPally tank = (x * 0.5) + (2x * 1.5) = 3.5xMonk tank = (x * 1.5) + (2x * 0.5) = 2.5x</p><p>Based on this example Pally tank maximizes group DPS.</p><p>I encourage anyone to explain how I might be in error in my thinking.  I am always willing to learn.</p><hr></blockquote>It is incorrect to assume a Monk will be in defensive stance any time they are tanking. At the very least you are not taking Spider/Black Widow Stance into account at all... And depending on the healer makeup of your group and/or the con level of the mobs you are facing, you might even tank in offensive...</div><div> </div><div>There are only very rare occasions I ever use defensive stance.</div><hr></blockquote><p>Ok, so say we both tank in balanced stance (which I would say is applying no stance factor) then you get this:</p><p>                   Pally         MonkPally tank = (x) + (2x * 1.5) = 4xMonk tank = (x * 1.5) + (2x) = 3.5x</p><p>The concept still holds.  We also have more CAs that do more damage than paladins so if we are not taunting we are also free to use more power for those CAs.</p><p>I am not saying that we can't tank as well as anyone, this is just me trying to make the group as efficient as possible when we have multiple fighters in the group.</p>

[Rrawl]

<div></div><p>Your numbers don't hold up. Paladins don't have a balanced stance. Ask your Paladin friend what stance he tanks in, he'll probably say defensive, depending on the healers present he might be in offensive too...</p><p>Monk's balanced stance IS NOT the same as no stance. You receive a bonus to both offense and defense, with no adverse affects.</p><p>If your dragon stance/dragon advance/storm stance is upgraded to adept3, why would you waste power taunting? You're going to hit your taunts at the very beginning to get your initial lock, you might tap your group taunt when it comes up... The paladin is going to burn a lot more power then you on taunts, even with amends. So much for efficiency.</p><p>Just try it... in the really real game (= Instead of with made up numbers that don't equal the game mechanics.</p>

[Quijonsith]

<chuckle>  I have Dragon Advance Master 2.  Just try and pull aggro off me.<div></div>

[Rrawl]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Quijonsith wrote: I have Dragon Advance Master 2.  Just try and pull aggro off me.<div></div><hr></blockquote>My point exactly. (=

[Asheng]

I think you guys are misreading the numbers. The one where it says "paladin" tank is supposed to be higher, that shows monk in offensive, maximizing group dps. Your arguing against a point that you agree with :p<div></div>