Damage output of hasted auto attack

[SwissArmySh]

<div>Just a quick question. </div><div> </div><div>I've been playing around with Everburning Flame and found that it seems to be best used towards the end of a fight depending on the way the fight is turning out.  For example, I will have EF turned off when I start the fight and cycle through my CA's and such but If my health is still in the greenyellow about half way through the mobs health, I will fire it up and ease off on my CA's apart from the hard hitters like Grappling Bear and Darting Sparrow to try and get max dps at the cost of some health.  If i switch it on at the beginning of an encounter I find it to sap through my health quite a bit.</div><div> </div><div>Am I using this at its optimum level?  Or is it better to spam through your CA's while hasted?</div><div> </div><div>I am currently dual wielding an Imbued Oakwood fighting baton and an imbued Oakwood cudgel both legendary. and everburning flame is at adept 1</div><div> </div><div>Any advice is appreciated</div>

[Junaru]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>SwissArmyShoe wrote:<div>Just a quick question. </div><div> </div><div>I've been playing around with Everburning Flame and found that it seems to be best used towards the end of a fight depending on the way the fight is turning out.  For example, I will have EF turned off when I start the fight and cycle through my CA's and such but If my health is still in the greenyellow about half way through the mobs health, I will fire it up and ease off on my CA's apart from the hard hitters like Grappling Bear and Darting Sparrow to try and get max dps at the cost of some health.  If i switch it on at the beginning of an encounter I find it to sap through my health quite a bit.</div><div> </div><div>Am I using this at its optimum level?  Or is it better to spam through your CA's while hasted?</div><div> </div><div>I am currently dual wielding an Imbued Oakwood fighting baton and an imbued Oakwood cudgel both legendary. and everburning flame is at adept 1</div><div> </div><div>Any advice is appreciated</div><hr></blockquote>You should be better off going into defencive stance and spamming you CA's then switching to offencive stance for the haste and auto-attack. EF has a cast time on it while stances do not. You could switch stances and gain </span><span>about the</span><span> same haste (master I is 31% on </span>Tranquil Blessing).. You would get hit less, take less damage so having EF up wont hurt you. Thats what I do when taking on hard mobs. Plus it's a good idea to learn to switch stances depending on the situation.</div>

[SwissArmySh]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Junaru wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>SwissArmyShoe wrote:<div>Just a quick question. </div><div> </div><div>I've been playing around with Everburning Flame and found that it seems to be best used towards the end of a fight depending on the way the fight is turning out.  For example, I will have EF turned off when I start the fight and cycle through my CA's and such but If my health is still in the greenyellow about half way through the mobs health, I will fire it up and ease off on my CA's apart from the hard hitters like Grappling Bear and Darting Sparrow to try and get max dps at the cost of some health.  If i switch it on at the beginning of an encounter I find it to sap through my health quite a bit.</div><div> </div><div>Am I using this at its optimum level?  Or is it better to spam through your CA's while hasted?</div><div> </div><div>I am currently dual wielding an Imbued Oakwood fighting baton and an imbued Oakwood cudgel both legendary. and everburning flame is at adept 1</div><div> </div><div>Any advice is appreciated</div><hr></blockquote>You should be better off going into defensive stance and spamming you CA's then switching to offensive stance for the haste and auto-attack. EF has a cast time on it while stances do not. You could switch stances and gain </span><span>about the</span><span> same haste (master I is 31% on </span>Tranquil Blessing).. You would get hit less, take less damage so having EF up wont hurt you. That's what I do when taking on hard mobs. Plus it's a good idea to learn to switch stances depending on the situation.</div><hr></blockquote>Ok thanks for the advice.  That's pretty much what I do anyway but perhaps I'm not switching between stances as much as i should.  I pretty much use Tranquil Blessing almost exclusively.

[Junaru]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>SwissArmyShoe wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Junaru wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>SwissArmyShoe wrote:<div>Just a quick question. </div><div> </div><div>I've been playing around with Everburning Flame and found that it seems to be best used towards the end of a fight depending on the way the fight is turning out.  For example, I will have EF turned off when I start the fight and cycle through my CA's and such but If my health is still in the greenyellow about half way through the mobs health, I will fire it up and ease off on my CA's apart from the hard hitters like Grappling Bear and Darting Sparrow to try and get max dps at the cost of some health.  If i switch it on at the beginning of an encounter I find it to sap through my health quite a bit.</div><div> </div><div>Am I using this at its optimum level?  Or is it better to spam through your CA's while hasted?</div><div> </div><div>I am currently dual wielding an Imbued Oakwood fighting baton and an imbued Oakwood cudgel both legendary. and everburning flame is at adept 1</div><div> </div><div>Any advice is appreciated</div><hr></blockquote>You should be better off going into defensive stance and spamming you CA's then switching to offensive stance for the haste and auto-attack. EF has a cast time on it while stances do not. You could switch stances and gain </span><span>about the</span><span> same haste (master I is 31% on </span>Tranquil Blessing).. You would get hit less, take less damage so having EF up wont hurt you. That's what I do when taking on hard mobs. Plus it's a good idea to learn to switch stances depending on the situation.</div><hr></blockquote>Ok thanks for the advice.  That's pretty much what I do anyway but perhaps I'm not switching between stances as much as i should.  I pretty much use Tranquil Blessing almost exclusively.<hr></blockquote>I only really switch when I'm in groups or unexpectedly hard mobs. If I gain aggro off the MT while grouping I will quickly switch into defencive stance since I wont hit as much aggro will be easier for the MT to get it back and I wont take as much damage so it doesn't [Removed for Content] the healers off. In worst case situations I just FD but with that you aren't 100% sure who is next on the list. It might just be your friendly Warlock and in that case FDing would be bad.</span></div>

[SwissArmySh]

<div></div><p>So basicaly the best time to use everburning flame, while soloing for example, is when in defensive stance because being hit lessfor less offsets the health drain?</p>

[ShashLigai]

<div></div>I use EF all the time. I use it while soloing for the haste buff, and while grouped (if tank) for hate generation (and haste). I find that if I have decent food set to auto-consume the health regen offsets EF's health consumption (non-combat). During combat the haste buff far outweighs any minor health consumption from EF.

[Junaru]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>SwissArmyShoe wrote:<p>So basicaly the best time to use everburning flame, while soloing for example, is when in defensive stance because being hit lessfor less offsets the health drain?</p><hr></blockquote>The only time I really use Everburning Flame solo is when I am burning down grey's, low greens or caster mobs. I normally just use it in groups where I'm not the MT.As for using it in defence only. I didn't mean it that way. You were saying you would start a fight with EF off and burn thru your CA's then at the end when your refresh timers were down you would use EF to help your auto-attack DPS. Atleast thats what I thought you were saying. I suggested it would be better to leave EF up since it has a cast time and switch between stances instead since they are instant.For everyday soloing I just put up TB and othert buffs then goto town on a mob. I normally do two HO's inside of a fight and hit ever CA I have. Normally ending the fight with my last CA.Normal fight for me is..</span>Start HO, Pouncing Tiger, Taunt(finish HO)   Grappling Bear   Diving dragon   Swooping Hawk   Rushing Bear(then run behind the mob)   Darting SparrowStart HO, Pouncing Tiger, Taunt(finish HO)   Biting Mantis   Stumbling Boar   Swooping Hawk   Winter's TalonI break the fight up into two parts. If a mob is near dead I will skill the second HO and just keep the target stunned till dead or if there is multi mobs I will start the HO but not finish it unless it's the group damage. After the mob is dead my next target I will taunt and finidh the HO on it. This will normally take down Blue to White ^^^ solo mobs with the last hit of Winters Talon's stun just about ending.<span></span></div>

[Harpax]

<div></div>I use the EB line all the time, solo'ing or grouped.  The extra DPS provided by it along with our other stance haste and group hastes make fights end quicker which means you take less damage.  EB line health loss ticks off every 30 seconds and its fairly minimal.  The only time I shut it off is if I'm down in red or if I have to FD and have a DOT of sorts on me. 

[Cirth_Beer]

<div></div><div></div><p>i dont use EF much, because i mainly duo with a templar friend and we found out that without eb fight would be a little longer but i will take less damage overall, in solo i dont use EF too for the same reason ^_^ (i mainly solo yellow group mob) the health dot is too much for me during the fight (i choosed only +power regen during respec) in fact in those case the use of EF = more downtime ^^</p><p>i use it when grouped and not the MT or when soloing low greens/grey</p><p>(and i choosed EF in master II lol)</p><p>Message Edited by Cirth_Beer on <span class="date_text">01-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:39 AM</span></p>

[SwissArmySh]

<div></div><p>Thanks guys...  Great feedback</p><p>I'm finding EF very usefull now, especialy soloing white/blue solo mobs were the damage taken is less.  If i'm taking a beating though I switch it off to save on as much health as possible.  But then again, that shouldn't matter....</p><p>Another thing I noticed, It says the health drain is 22 on the spell description.  Does this amount change as you level?</p><p>I'm wondering about this because I read on the sticky about Master 2 choices that the EF line always uses 1% of your health.  If it stays as 22 points then It will only get better as I level.  In fact taking it as Master 2 at lvl 34 would be even better due to it still being usefull in the later levels....</p><p>Hmmm.... :smileyindifferent:  <Chin rub moment></p>

[Cirth_Beer]

<div></div>i think it's 1% ^_^ (i'll check to be sure)

[Junaru]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>SwissArmyShoe wrote:<div></div><p>Thanks guys...  Great feedback</p><p>I'm finding EF very usefull now, especialy soloing white/blue solo mobs were the damage taken is less.  If i'm taking a beating though I switch it off to save on as much health as possible.  But then again, that shouldn't matter....</p><p>Another thing I noticed, It says the health drain is 22 on the spell description.  Does this amount change as you level?</p><p>I'm wondering about this because I read on the sticky about Master 2 choices that the EF line always uses 1% of your health.  If it stays as 22 points then It will only get better as I level.  In fact taking it as Master 2 at lvl 34 would be even better due to it still being usefull in the later levels....</p><p>Hmmm.... :smileyindifferent: </p><hr></blockquote>Yeah it changes. It's a percent of your hps. With Harclave buff I reach 7700hps and it takes 76hps every tick. Say 1% but it seems off by a smig..</span></div>

[SwissArmySh]

<div></div>Aye...  Found out last night when I dinged.  Ah well, I picked the Master 2 upgrade for the 30% speed increase.  Very nice.  Comes in usefull when ive burned out all my power but still wanna deliver pain.

[diamondma]

i never use ef when im soloing the health drain is just way too much and it also ups the riposte dmg ull take during a fight. just stick with halcyon when u get it, u get plenty of haste from it.<div></div>

[x0rtrun]

I find the opposite. I pretty much keep EF up all the time. I turn it off after fights when soloing to regen, but fights go by so much faster.<div></div>

[Catharz]

I'm using Everburning Blaze Adept 3 and it's up almost all of the time.About the only times I don't use it are when I'm soloing green+ heroics (which can take a while to kill), when I'm grouped with somebody who is fighting stuff elsewhere in the zone or in a group without a healer (happens rarely, but does happen).<div></div>

[SwissArmySh]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>diamondmage wrote:i never use ef when im soloing the health drain is just way too much and it also ups the riposte dmg ull take during a fight. just stick with halcyon when u get it, u get plenty of haste from it.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah same here.  But if the fight is quick, such as a blue con single down arrow I will use it.  Or if I'm in a group and not tanking.  Over the course of a fight with a ^^^ green i find it drains too much health over the fight and the haste doesn't seem to make up for it.  And then there is the riposte damage frequency increase.</p><p>If a fight is lasting lets say 1 min and you have EF up the whole time that's a 20% health drain for a 30% haste.  I don't know how much time 30% auto attack haste would save you over a 1 min fight but I bet it's not 20% of health.</p><p>Saying that, changing the length of a fight to work it out also changes all the other factors involved, so a short fight would have the same effect on a smaller scale.</p><p>Ok, now my brain hurts.:smileymad: </p><p> </p>

[nobunaga_x]

<div>Sorry if this had been said somewhere or in the stickies, but does our personal haste(everburning XXX) and our group haste(XXX blessing) stack?  Me and a guildie monk have differeing opinions and I was just curious on the consensus here.</div><div> </div><div>if they do or don't, do they stack wirth the FBSS?</div>

[Asheng]

they all stack.  group stacks withs tance stacks with everburning stacks with fbss.<div></div>

[nobunaga_x]

<div>Thanks, thats what I thought.  I was in a group last night and a bruiser was whopoping me in the damage departmet.  Bruisers seem to have an ability that does up over 2k damage.  He was running a parser and as hard as I tried I only outdamaged him a couple times.  Usually I can pull aggro from a tank if I try, but this guy I could not.  I am 57 monk and he was 59 though.</div><div> </div><div>Anyone know a good damage parser?</div>

[Kota]

combatstats.  or send a tell to lavastorm.aditu.  she makes em.  there are more but that's what i use when i need em.<div></div>

[x0rtrun]

Is combatstats still around? every time i try to go to the website it's down.<div></div>

[pootski]

<span><a target="_blank" href="http://home.inreach.com/kai/EQCompanion/index.html">EQ Companion</a>Best I have found.  Using it since eq1.  Unlike combatstats, you can go back and parse  fights while not online.  It  is also a speach synthesizer.  I have it set  up to speak  out /tells and to yell  FIZZLE when my 2 box  templar misses a heal</span><div></div>

[Asheng]

It is because bruisers have dbl our burst dmg. Their abilities are all do twice the damage, but have 60 sec re-use timers. The problem is after they blow their abilities off, they can fear/mez us till they reset :pAnd don't understimate a brusier that says oh i'll go without weapons, they have a 1000 dmg proc when they don't equip a weapon and use their bare hands =)<div></div>

[Junaru]

<div><span>Download ACT (Advanced Combat Tracking) you can find the link in the forums. I used all the parsers are one point or another and think one is one of the nicer ones.It does nice Pie Charts and all.<a target="_blank" href="http://www.shawnjetton.com/Everquest_2_Parses/Arena_39_Monk.htm">39 Monk in Splitpaw Arena</a></span></div><div></div>