Tanking Raid Mobs past LU17 ...

[Noo]

<DIV>I wonder if i am the only Monk that has problems with tanking raidmobs now. Bevore LU17 i had no big problems tanking Terrorantula and some other Mobs. Now i get hit with 7-9 k Dmg Spikes and if the mob dies mental dmg or not, a guardian and even a SK or pally are better tanks cause the mitgidate much more and can get healed. I cant get healed after taking 9k piercing dmg. Its not important if i get hit less often, cause after 2 of those hits i am dead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Noogi</DIV>

[Shaialit]

We tried terrorantula many times past lu17 and I don't know, we just can't get it done <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> We tried it with a monk (me) with full legendary armor, about 8.9k hit points and we got it down to 70%... We tried it with two different Guardians in half fabled half legendary gear (t6 of course) about 9.5k hit points, couldn't get it down to even 90%... We tried it with SK, didn't seem any better... Don't know what it is, but the dmg output is just crazy from Terrorantula... Supposedly there is a trick to doing it, and we just haven't figured it out yet. If anyone could throw us a freaking bone here, it would be nice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But considering a monk lasted longer than two guardians and a sk, made me feel pretty good <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The thing that is really annoying with Terrorantula is that taunts get resisted.  As a monk I have only two taunts, both master 1, and if both get resisted, it's uhm kind a over... Dmg out put from it is pretty nasty too. Does the new armor with piercing resist help here? <div></div>

[ios_]

<DIV>Why have a monk tank terrorantula? lol<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>We are taking her down every week with our guardian tanking it.</DIV> <DIV>Has been dropping monk boots the last 3 times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good luck with the encounter guys.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Psipsinos 60monkah Toxxulia</DIV>

[Noo]

<DIV>Cause its a bit easyer for a Monk to hold agro cause of the taunts getting resisted a lot but the taunt-stance of Monks works pretty fine. But you are right, past LU17 a guardian is the much better choice in my eyes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Noogi</DIV>

[Jezekie]

<span><blockquote><hr>ios_gr wrote:<div>Why have a monk tank terrorantula? lol<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div>We are taking her down every week with our guardian tanking it.</div> <div>Has been dropping monk boots the last 3 times.</div> <div> </div> <div>Good luck with the encounter guys.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Psipsinos 60monkah Toxxulia</div><hr></blockquote>Because Monks/Bruisers are supposed to be comparable to Guardians, you should NEVER have to require a guardian on a raid to be able to successfully tackle any epic x2, x3, and x4 encounters. If the case is that you NEED a guardian, then things aren't ballanced and need to be fixed, period.This mentality with only having guardians tanking needs to die and stay dead.</span><div></div>

[Demodicus]

Thats is not true..at all...Guardians have to be somewhat better at tanking than a monk.If they were not there class would be useless...literally.What do you want them to be?Dps?I think not.

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Volcomstone1259 wrote:<BR> Thats is not true..at all...Guardians have to be somewhat better at tanking than a monk.If they were not there class would be useless...literally.What do you want them to be?Dps?I think not.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Oh please.  Such a ridiculous statement.<BR>

[Demodicus]

And that is why?

[diamondma]

part of the way we hold agro is by doing dps that is the reason our dps is higher than other fight classes. look at how many different ways a guardian has to gain hate and then look at a monk ull notice the difference i hope. <div></div>

[Demodicus]

<P>Thats not what im trying to say...Although it is a good point</P> <P>Let me elaborate </P> <P>Monk = Hybrid:We can do alot of things.Be tanks,Decent Dps,Peeler,Etc.</P> <P>Guardian=Single Purpose:TANK.Now I suppose they could be a peeler aslo but since the dont really add to good amount of dps and they would be just sitting there waiting to taunt it would be kinda pointless.</P> <P>Now the point that I was trying to get across was that Guardians should  SOMEWHAT,Not by a lot, exceed  the Monk in tanking.Why? As I said earlier they are pretty much a single purpose class and their purpose is Tank. So if they didnt exceed us by just a little they would never be able to find a group.Dont get me wrong though monks make great tanks :smileyhappy: !</P> <P>Now I  was not here during LU 16 ,and on and off during 17 and started playing again so correct me if I am wrong.But dont start with blah blah thats stupid.</P>

[Anjin]

<DIV>Although Volcomstone1259 might be somewhat wayward in defining why he thinks guardians are better tanks, I certainly don't blame him for replying to Jezekiell's pile of poop.  In CERTAIN situtuations, monks might be more suited to tanking than guardians, but in MOST situations, a guardian is more suited to tanking than a monk.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unless the raid target is single, dps is seriously inhibited for nuking/major ae damage classes because a monk cannot deal with aggro maintenance on a group/multi beast environment.  So you might have a secondary tank to purely maintain the aggro for the more menial members of the encounter - isn't that a real waste of manpower?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Diamondmage mentioned about dps being a major factor in monks retaining aggro against a single encounter.  This is very true, although similarly berserkers maintain group aggro through dps (and a hate building root).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's all horses for courses, no warrior class/subclass is always better than any other in tanking 100% of the time, but the warrior class that is most often best is the guardian.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Personally, I would hate to be a guardian because I think they would be a very boring class to play, but hey, each to their own</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not trying to preach to the converted, Gaige; this post was aimed at a few previous posters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anjin - Monk (54)</DIV> <DIV>Thagdal - Berserker (45)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Herbster on <span class=date_text>12-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:48 PM</span>