Sixta's knuckles .....

[Tilane]

<DIV>a whopping 14.3% haste for 18s now .....why even have a haste proc on it now it doesnt do a thing ...i cerntainly dont see any extra dps comming from it now</DIV>

[Nemi]

<P>Maybe because haste stacking has changed.</P> <P>You can have 1proc+1item+1 of each spell line (so stance, group haste, single haste)</P>

[Dfoley3]

the weapon itself is on par with prismatic as far as damage ratio, but with very melee based proc.  the extra 18% in the new, very caped haste system, is a lot because as mentioned ....u get 1 spell per line, 1 proc, 1 item...so that 18% is a much larger part of the whole <div></div>

[Tilane]

<DIV>played around with haste today on lvl 45 1 arrow down gobos at lvl 50 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>having 77% haste with auto attack damage in defense stance yields extra 4-6 dps</DIV> <DIV>in offence stance 96% haste i see 2-3 dps difrence </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>when i use CA's i see no diffrence at all </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Evad_]

<P>So can anyone on beta confirm that fbbs and something else like Bangle of Manipulation no lomger stack the haste?</P> <P> </P> <P>- Thanks</P>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evad_EQ wrote:<BR> <P>So can anyone on beta confirm that fbbs and something else like Bangle of Manipulation no lomger stack the haste?</P> <P>- Thanks</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>They do not.  One item + one proc (like sixtas) + spell line.</P> <P>*BUT*</P> <P>Our self/group/stance all stack.  Different lines.  So you end up with a lot of haste anyway.<BR></P>

[Evad_]

<P> </P> <P>Thanks for the response. Im just sad I wasted DKP on haste items that now wont stack when I could have let them go to others who needed them more  :smileyindifferent:</P>

[Tilane]

<DIV>yep we now have allot of haste that does nothing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Evad_]

:smileysad: They should just change the proc to something else. I certainly dont know anyone who has Sixta's who doesnt have an FBSS or better. Just my opinion though

[Dfoley3]

Sixtas PROC haste will stack with fbss.... <div></div>

[Harpax]

<DIV>The haste stacking was out of control as it is.  I remember reading here someone had 243% or something silly like that.  If the values become so inflated, they start to mean nothing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remeber back in EQ1 when alacrity was huge?  Or when people with an FBSS were considered lucky?  After a couple years the amount of haste items and spells were just crazy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since they are changing the way items work.. maybe items with Haste on them will be made un-attuned so folks have the ability to get rid of their duplicate haste items?</DIV>

[Vorham]

Yeah i remember inspecting a rogue with 140ish% unbuffed haste, basically a haste item in every slot... that just screams "nerf me plz." I'm glad they they changing it

[Germo]

This "nerf" is great for monks We get self haste + group haste + stance haste. I'm gunna guess we'll be hitting fasters than any other fighters. <div></div>

[Tilane]

yeah , it all stack , and its 2-3 dps extra with 96% haste :p

[Evad_]

Doesnt matter how much haste you have, you still cap at 0.8 weapon speed.

[Nemi]

<P>And haste doesn't affect combat art damage, only auto attack damage.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>