Monk stances revisited ( they still need some work )

[Nerill]

<DIV> <DIV>I took the time to do some parsing a couple nights ago and this is what I found:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><STRONG>( All fights were done in Lavastorm against Level 48 ^^ " a hardened colossus " using my Level 50 Monk "Banzai" <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" width=16 border=0></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Banzai has mostly T5 crafted armor with his tunic being fabled. Weapons are my Prismatic Baton and the Right Hand of Master McGill</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U><STRONG>Winding Dragon (Adept I)</STRONG> w/ Everburning Fire, Quiet Purity and Control Breathing</U></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(This is our <U>Defensive</U> stance)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ave DPS: 76.1 DPS</DIV> <DIV>Ave Damage Taken: 2482</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#66ff00>Findings: 3 weeks ago our DPS in this stance was about 114 DPS and the fights were a lot closer. Now our DPS is down quite a bit but we take <STRONG>much</STRONG> less damage. It would appear that the mitigation in this stance is good and that this stance is about where it should be !</FONT> </FONT></EM>:smileyvery-happy: Great job Devs !!</DIV> <DIV><EM><U></U></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><U></U></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><U></U></EM> </DIV> <DIV><U><STRONG>Spider Stance (</STRONG>Adept<STRONG> I)</STRONG> w/ Everburning Fire</U></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(This is our <U>Balanced</U> stance )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ave DPS: 97.4 DPS</DIV> <DIV>Ave Damage Taken: 2188 ( less damage taken becuase fights were over quicker due to increased DPS )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ffff00>Findings: The main problem with this stance is that it uses <STRONG>5 concentration</STRONG> and thus prohibits us from using our other buffs. I ask that this stance be <STRONG>reduced to 4 concentration</STRONG> so that we still have the choice of using Quiet Purity <STRONG>or</STRONG> Control Breathing. DPS from 3 weeks ago is fairly similiar. Parsing showed 101 DPS back then and now is at about 97DPS. </FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG><U>Again, please reduce concentration to 4 and this stance is good to go !</U></STRONG> :smileyhappy:</FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV><U><STRONG>Halcyon Blessing (App I) </STRONG>w/ Everburning Fire, Quiet Purity and Control Breathing</U></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(This is our <U>Offensive</U> stance )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ave DPS: 105 DPS</DIV> <DIV>Ave Damage Taken: 2258</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ff3300>Findings: This stance <STRONG>used</STRONG> to be right on the money and now it is the worst one ! Tanking in this stance <STRONG>used</STRONG> to be VERY bad. Now it is <STRONG>not a big deal</STRONG> to tank in this stance. You <STRONG>should</STRONG> be giving up your ability to tank well for increased DPS. Instead our DPS went <STRONG>down</STRONG> from about 125 DPS 3 weeks ago to 105 DPS and I was still able to solo quite well in this stance. </FONT></EM>:smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM><STRONG><U><FONT color=#ff3300>Please, increase Offensive output ( DPS ) and reduce Defensive abilities for this stance. I would like to see DPS around 125 - 130 while in this stance and a greatly reduced ability to tank ! This stance needs work !</FONT></U></STRONG></EM></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><U><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT></U></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><U><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT></U></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Our stances are a little closer to being ready for live but there is still <STRONG>too little</STRONG> variation between them. The difference between our Defensive and Balanced seems about right but the difference between our Balanced and Offensive is <STRONG>horrible! </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV>I hope that these findings will <STRONG>help</STRONG> the DEVs fine tune our stances and hopefylly put to rest many concerns of the Monk community.</DIV></DIV></DIV>

[Nemi]

<DIV>Ok first off here are the stances as I believe they are</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>      <IMG src="http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/1616/windingmaster21km.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Offensive stances:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>     <IMG src="http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/8370/halyconmaster27vz.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mixed stances:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>     <IMG src="http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/979/spiderstanceadept32ap.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So to put it in perspective:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Defensive stance : You are nearly 6.5 levels above the MoB and +7% mitigation</DIV> <DIV>2) Offensive stance : You are nearly 2.5 levels below the MoB.</DIV> <DIV>3) Mixed stance : You are nearly 6 levels above the MoB and +6% mitigation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Assuming you are level 50.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To me, I think the Mixed Stance is on the money and the Defensive needs to be improved. 0.7 levels and 1% mitigation is meaningless and as you have pointed out, actually worse off because of the DPS hit leading to more damage being taken overall. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The offensive stance just doesn't add up at all. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Offensive grants 8 DPS over the Mixed stance given your numbers. From this you lose roughly 8 levels of defensive power (Going from equivalent level 53.7 down to 45.6) and you only take 100 damage more? I think your sample is somewhat skewed somehow, either that or the combat arts are not functioning properly. Losing 8 levels of defensive should provide more than a 100damage hit in efficiency.</DIV>

[Nerill]

<DIV>Please remember that these numbers are from soloing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, any <U>increase</U> in DPS has the effect of <U>decreasing</U> the amount of damage I took. <EM>Shorter fights mean less damage taken.</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV>Although I do believe that while we are in our offensive stance we should deal out <STRONG>significantly</STRONG> more damage than our other 2 stances and yet we should be beaten like a scout when in that Offensive stance.</DIV>

[Nemi]

<P>Yep I get that, however 8 dps increase would only mean roughly 480 hps extra damage dealt over the course of a minute.</P> <P>On a level 48++ Heroic mob I would imagine that is what? 5% of its hitpoints? I just can't see how you only took 100damage extra for losing 8 levels of defensive power, while dealing 500dam extra.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>