monks on beta right now

[Perfidiou]

<DIV>We can't tank for [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]</DIV> <DIV>soloing green mobs leaves you with 50-60% health</DIV> <DIV>blue mobs = close call</DIV> <DIV>white = death</DIV> <DIV>yellow = dun even try</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(no arrow mobs)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>our dps sucks bigtime.</DIV> <DIV>have to cycle through all the CA's 2-3 times to kill a green con'ed mob.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What is our purpose to be? We were supposed to become real tanks, no?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well as of right now it isn't worth trying out beta as a monk, it's just too depressing.</DIV>

[Swordmage]

<P>To help us understand your feedback:</P> <P>What level is your monk on beta?</P> <P>What levels of equipment and arts are you using?</P>

[Perfidiou]

<DIV>I might have overreacted a tad. I just beat a blue single arrow up mob. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm lvl50 using the stonehide stuff you get when rolling a toon on beta. and app1 CA's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm curious to see how much differance it's gonna make with legendary/fabled stuff and adept3's/masters when my toon gets transfered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but as it seems right now we tank WORSE on beta than on the regular servers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[zabor]

oh well with app1 stuff you won't do anything good. I think its balanced for adept 1 / treasured stuff. The more legendary/fabled you get, the better it gets.

[Doug]

<DIV>WIth the stuff you get for supersizing your monk to level 50, no wonder its hard...</DIV>

[Perfidiou]

<DIV>actually with a healer tanking is easy and fun. me and a bruiser and a fury are currently killing blue^^^ heroics. I'm tanking and the healer leaves the fight with 70% power left. so that part looks good. but soloing seems harder than on the normal server.</DIV>

[Kanemura]

<DIV>Sounds like you have trouble soloing, but you are probably the only one. Notice all the monks running around sinking sands lately? That's because people figured out they are badass soloewrs, even with the beta buff junk.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another truly awesome soloer, FURY! I never realized they were so awesome.</DIV>

[Perfidiou]

<DIV>so tell me, what do they do to be badass soloers?</DIV> <DIV>I've tried everything, it dun work </DIV>

[ganjookie]

<font size="2" color="#ffff66">I shouldnt be saying this but there is a hack in EQ2....if you use this thing called autoattack, you can beat  mobs much faster then just using your skills all of the time.  My big brother ( skatrr gnome) just showed it to me last night.  If your solo, becareful nobody s around when you use this, they will probably tell on you...</font> <div></div>

[Kanemura]

<P>Ok first of all, you have to have the right buffs on you. If you solo without your defensive stance, you will take way more damage. Second, let's hope that the beta you rolled was something with high agility like a wood elf. In fact, wood elves make the perfect monk post-change. If you rolled a barbarian, well...I'm sorry. The key to surviving those fights is your agility, not strength.</P> <P>Now that you've got yourself some agility, learn how to use your attacks. Of course you are going to have to use HO's, but aside from that, learn which of your moves stun. Chain those stuns together and you have an uninterupted period of but whooping. Don't forget you can heal yourself once every 2 minutes. You should also have Everburning Flame on you at all times. This move will haste your attacks at the cost of health. Sure, the health ticks away constantly, but your stamina should be high enough to counteract that. My monk never loses more than a sliver with that buff on, and it comes right back almost immediately.</P> <P>Now that you know how to fight, lets pick your enemies. If you shoot for anything higher than those ^ Dervish Croc Hunters, you might die. Enemies fight and act differently now, so you have to watch them and see what types of attacks they use. If you arent happy with the dervs, go to a place like everfrost. I was soloing green heroics there and the xp wasnt bad.</P> <P>Finally, don't set your expectations too high. This isn't WoW, and it isn't meant to be easy. The EQ games have always been a challenge, and the combat change places EQ2 right alongside it's sisters in difficulty.</P> <P>I was in a group last night with a Guardian (MT), Wiz (DPS), and myself a Monk (DPS/Emergency taunt/Heal). We were taking out goups of ^ yellows with no problem. Yes, Monk can still DPS. We did just fine. There was one death from adds, and I had to use my heal every fight, but why give it to us if you don't have to use it? The guardian and wiz appreciated the emergency heals, believe me.</P> <P>Hope this helps!</P>

[Kanemura]

Ganjookie, you are an idiot. Why you would come one the OFFICIAL boards saying how to hack the game is beyond me. Then you are like "shh don't tell, it's a secret". What nerve. Anyways, /reported...

[WinterAnar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kanemura wrote:<BR> <P>Second, let's hope that the beta you rolled was something with high agility like a wood elf. In fact, wood elves make the perfect monk post-change. If you rolled a barbarian, well...I'm sorry. The key to surviving those fights is your agility, not strength.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>So your saying that Agi actually means something?  Like more than the defence traits and all?  Or does the parry/defence trait that elves get actually do more than it did and combined with the high agility?</DIV>

[Vorham]

lol Ganjookies post was a joke, referencing an old Sk8r Gnome post about autoattack

[Gaige]

<P>I have low agility and can solo blue heroics all day, no problem.  Even w/o power.</P> <P>Please don't comment about the beta until you get your real toon over there, as it just sounds like a bunch of rushed statements from a few minutes of testing with an obviously underequipped toon.</P>

[Perfidiou]

<DIV>aye, works wonderful now with tak transfered <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>I have no problem soloing at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Was tired yesterday and kinda in a bad mood. rolled that monk and got frustrated. Right now, with my real toon, I feel like I'm the king of the world, it's easy to solo stuff now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm happy, my monk is happy and it's a happy wonderful world :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Lebr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gage-Mikel wrote:<BR> <P>I have low agility and can solo blue heroics all day, no problem.  Even w/o power.</P> <P>Please don't comment about the beta until you get your real toon over there, as it just sounds like a bunch of rushed statements from a few minutes of testing with an obviously underequipped toon.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/agree</P> <P>No need getting people worried.</P>

[Kanemura]

Ok sure, whatever mr. know-it-all gage. You aren't Jesus. You assume too much also. You have no clue what tests I have run, or even how many people have participated in my tests. If you don't like my info, thats fine. However, when the Beta goes live, and you get out into the real world, you will see just how much your agility affects your style of play. The way you make it sound is as if say an Ogre with like 10 starting agility can be just as effective as a wood elf with 30, which is not at all true. Anyways, now I remember why I don't post here...

[Evad_]

<P>Dont h8t</P> <P> </P> <P>:smileyhappy:</P> <P> </P>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kanemura wrote:<BR> Ok sure, whatever mr. know-it-all gage. You aren't Jesus. You assume too much also. You have no clue what tests I have run, or even how many people have participated in my tests. If you don't like my info, thats fine. However, when the Beta goes live, and you get out into the real world, you will see just how much your agility affects your style of play. The way you make it sound is as if say an Ogre with like 10 starting agility can be just as effective as a wood elf with 30, which is not at all true. Anyways, now I remember why I don't post here... <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Funny, I wasn't even talking to you...</P> <P>Besides you seem touchy anyway, and what's with all the name calling?  I mean you reported someone for saying to turn on auto-attack, rofl.</P><p>Message Edited by Gage-Mikel on <span class=date_text>08-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:47 PM</span>

[Tstorm]

<span><blockquote><hr>Gage-Mikel wrote:<p>I have low agility and can solo blue heroics all day, no problem.  Even w/o power.</p> <p>Please don't comment about the beta until you get your real toon over there, as it just sounds like a bunch of rushed statements from a few minutes of testing with an obviously underequipped toon.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>I haven't tried blue heroics without power, but I generally agree.  My own experience in beta with my level 50 monk was one of mixed feelings at first.  I sat down with all my new and changed abilities, scratched my head over some of what I saw, groaned at others, and cheered some things.  It didn't mean anything until I tried fighting something with my fully equipped character. I'm fairly satisfied at the moment with the changes though I'm sure we are bound to see many people upset.  There are lots of changes and doing an "apples to apples" comparison is pretty difficult.  The con system has changed, most if not all our abilities have changed in some way, and other things we've grown accustomed to (like parry and ripostes) have been tweaked.  I'm sure this will fall on the deaf ears of some, but I definitely recommend not rushing to judge anything.  There is a lot to take in and the changes aren't necessarily complete.  Aside from some some wierd beta buff bot equipment granted, there is definitely some good in the changes. <span>:smileyhappy:</span></span><div></div>

[Kanemura]

<P>To Gage:</P> <P>I humbly apologize. I thought your comments were directed towards me. I was quick to jump the gun. It's no excuse, but I have been sick the last few days. So yeah, I haven't been in a good mood. Anyways, the guy I reported made a comment on cheating, it had nothing to do with auto-attack.</P> <P>Well anyways, sorry again. I am not usually such an [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].</P>

[Kanemura]

<P>Heh just red Ganjookies post again, and I guess I mistook the "autoattack" he mentioned as a 3rd party program. Anyways, I sent an e-mail to Moorgard explaining my mistake...</P> <P>No more posting for me while I am on medicine...</P>

[Jezekie]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kanemura wrote:The way you make it sound is as if say an Ogre with like 10 starting agility can be just as effective as a wood elf with 30, which is not at all true. Anyways, now I remember why I don't post here... <hr></blockquote>Those 20 odd agi won't matter much at all. It's hard to increase Avoidance even with Agi over 300. There were hardly a difference between having around 250 and 300 last time I grouped with someone. I had ~71% avoidance. When completly unbuffed sitting at 111 agi, </span><span> +18 Agility gives me 0.5% Avoidance and </span><span>37 points of Agi gives me 1% avoidance at lvl 51. Going from 111 to 221 Agility puts me at 70.1%, that's an 5.2% increase from 110 Agility. And it seems there's diminishing returns as well, ie. soft caps. Though not sure when that starts to kick in.</span><div></div>

[Kanemura]

The extra Agility did seem to matter in Beta atleast. I rolled a few races as monk. However, even though the beta buff gear has decent stats, there is stuff out there that is better. I will just say that my Ogre monk took way more hits than the wood elf. I'm inclined to believe that every point of AGI will count. Could be wrong, but that is just what I experienced.