Testing our protection skills?

[Almeric_CoS]

<DIV>In regards to the Staggering Stance -> Trancendant Vision skill line, I have read the following:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1)  They definitely work, in that the person you're protecting will get hit xx% less than without your buff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2)  These skills MIGHT only let you block for someone if you're standing next to that person.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm wondering if anyone has thoroughly tested point #2.  I'm not sure what combat filter I'm missing, but I never see the messages that I block for someone in the first place, so I truly have no idea if it works while I'm standing behind a mob, across from the tank.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, while I'm writing, something I've been wondering about this line:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you use this buff line on another monk - along with buffs from other classes - would not that monk become practically unhittable, and therefore a supreme raid tank?</DIV>

[IrulanDunedanc]

I've riposted for someone when I was at one end of the zone and they were at the other.  Admittedly, it was a fairly small zone (Condemned Catacombs), but you don't currently have to be next to them as long as you're in the same zone, as far as I can tell.

[bonesbro]

<P>It works if you're pretty far away.</P> <P>You won't see the messages unless you turn on Others Misses, which isn't recommended due to the spam from it.</P> <DIV>Now, I've heard that the deflection buff wears off your target after a while.  Anyone have numbers?</DIV>

[Jenj]

<P>Im not sure about the actual distance (i think its >5 meters though), but the TV skill will work in normal meleeing range where you are dps'ing. From my parses you effectively improve the targets avoidance by 12%. I.e. You will avoid 12 extra attacks per 100, even though TV is rated around 40%. If its successful, the target will get the "block" (its actually parry, riposte, or block) message in their screen. You can see the actual messages in the parse file. Also, your TV will stack with a paladin's avoidance buff, giving a total of around 24-30% extra blocks.</P> <P>-Jenjer</P>

[Edyil]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrulanDunedancer wrote:<BR>I've riposted for someone when I was at one end of the zone and they were at the other.  Admittedly, it was a fairly small zone (Condemned Catacombs), but you don't currently have to be next to them as long as you're in the same zone, as far as I can tell. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Same here but in huge zones.  I have also gotten a Block skill-up while the MT was pulling.  So I was blocking from way back at the camp spot.

[IrulanDunedanc]

Slight update.  Had Staggering Stance on a guildy while we were doing Feerrott access.  I was at one catapult and she was at the next one, and I riposted for her.

[Almeric_CoS]

<DIV>I just want to re-ask the unanswered question from this thread:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I have a 75% avoidance, and a second monk casts Phin's on me so that I evade 37% more often than usual, then my overall avoidance should be 102.75%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this correct?  Would I truly be unhittable from any melee from a white-con-or-lower mob?</DIV>

[bonesbro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Almeric wrote:<BR> <DIV>I just want to re-ask the unanswered question from this thread:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I have a 75% avoidance, and a second monk casts Phin's on me so that I evade 37% more often than usual, then my overall avoidance should be 102.75%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this correct?  Would I truly be unhittable from any melee from a white-con-or-lower mob?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Not quite.  In a test I ran a while ago, I found that I was deflecting 40% of incoming hits, and 40% * 37% of incoming hits were stopped by the other Monk.<BR>

[Almeric_CoS]

<DIV>Aeh...so you're saying that with a listed 75% or higher base avoidance, you'll really only be evading about 40% of hits?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've never tried to parse anything of mine, but something seems strange there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I'm reading what you wrote correcntly, then you were evading about 54.8% of the time, including blocks from the other monk, which isn't very good at all.</DIV>

[bonesbro]

<P>Sorry, to clarify, 40% was a number I pulled out of thin air.  The important part is that I was deflecting exactly 37% more attacks than I would have without the buff.</P> <P>But the more I think about it, the more that doesn't add up.  I think I need to run another test.</P>

[Almeric_CoS]

<DIV>Ok, well my point is this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Monk 1: base avoidance 75%</DIV> <DIV>Monk 2: Phin's Mountain Haven on Monk 1 (37% more avoidance)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>75 * 37% = 27.75%</DIV> <DIV>75% + 27.75% = 102.75%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My question is, in fact, based off of your original parses that I read about in your FAQ.  Its been stated that the monk parry-buff line really does work, and so if you place it on another monk you're in for some tremendous avoidance numbers, especially since the original 75% is a major lowball estimate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've seen plenty of other reports about even Guardians getting like 100% avoidance through various means, but I never hear about monks entering the equation.  I've been trying to convince my fellow guildleaders that this is something worth trying on some nasty raid mobs, but no one is willing to try it.  At some point, as a guildleader, I could force the issue, but I wanted other monkly input first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't know the formula for how avoidance scales when a mob is higher level than you, but I'd have to figure that a very tough, level 50 monk with Phin's and some other key buffs applied would be nigh-unhittable against many 50-55 epic bosses.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hell, screw epic mobs, I'd like to take a 2 monk tank-team into places like Return to Nektropos and see how it goes.  I just need to hit level 50 first <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But if someone in this forum has a monk friend and wants to test this out, I think the results would be most enlightening.</DIV>

[Shinko Samur]

works only when mob is facing you no matter how far the mob is or wheather you are facing the mob or not.

[bonesbro]

<span><blockquote><hr>Shinko Samurai wrote:works only when mob is facing you no matter how far the mob is or wheather you are facing the mob or not. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Not correct.  I have an audio trigger set up in combatstats so that I know when it's going off and it triggers just fine when I'm standing behind the mob DPSing.</span><div></div>

[Krozl]

<DIV>well since no one else seems to have a monk friend I guess I'll volunteer. I have another monk in my Guild that is comparable level to me. i do not have a parser, but I can do /log and post it ot someone if they want ot parse it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll test doing to the following :</DIV> <DIV>Screenshoot of stats</DIV> <DIV>Screenshoot of HUD (just in case)</DIV> <DIV>self buffed kill 10 even con mobs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Screenshoot of stats (Phin) (actually i think mine is Martial Discipline atm)</DIV> <DIV>Screenshoot of HUD (Phin)(actually i think mine is Martial Discipline atm)</DIV> <DIV>with Phin(Martial Discipline) active on me kill 10 more even con mobs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if you want gear info you can always look me up in the player database.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This should get a little info for starters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS- I am level 39 atm and the other Monk is 38 I think. we can always do this with yellow, orange and red con mobs as well as info is requested i suppose.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Krozlan on <span class=date_text>07-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:28 AM</span>

[Kota]

i haven't seen any limit to the range of transcendent vision.  i have noticed a small yet uncommon problem with it tho.  when the mt is pulling, sometimes i riposte and steal aggro on inc.

[Krozl]

<P>I broke down and went to <A href="http://www.combatstats.com/" target=_blank>www.combatstats.com</A> and got a parser /sigh( here we go again )*inside joke*</P> <P>I set it to parse all MOB encounter misses and hits and translate it directly into  percentages cause I'm lazy like that. enabled the DB so I cna track the mobs I kill. I then also set it to track my blocks,parries and ripostes.</P> <P>At level 39 after several fights (granted in a Hard Hideout Solo) I'm thinkin [Removed for Content] this, I'm getting few BPR's if any and my MISS % is averaging around 30%.</P> <P>I dbl check my monitoring and my buffs and my gear and, and, and....all looks good so i finish the Hideout and move to Harclaves(again Hard)</P> <P>same shiznit different day. I'm just not seeing the #'s I would expect from my mitigation and avoidance (47%77.6% for the # [Removed for Content]'s)</P> <P>btw my gear is all pristine rare crafted augmented armor and weapons with jewlery the best potions my 45 alchy can make and STRAGI buff rings</P> <P>oh, and all my CA's and buffs are Adept III minimum ( I'm an alchy after all )</P> <P>Then I DING level 40......</P> <P>it is a COMPLETELY different ballgame after that. I went and got my new weapons T5 Imbued Ebon Rods, Cesti(Katars), Cestus and a Ebon Imbued War Hammer and swapped 3 pieces of jewlery (bracers went to the Gnoll twisted something-or-other droped in SP and necklace of gathered shards orbs) at any rate the changes were ok but not hugely significant I don't think.( my rare imbued armor should be waiting in the mail when I get home from work so that will change things significantly i would think as well )</P> <P>went back to Harclaves(hard) and suddenly my #'s are around 65% miss 35% hit</P> <P> </P> <P>Basically what I am saying is I'll need to start all over tonight cause the #'s did a big 180 on me when  I dinged 40. I'll bring hard #'s and screenies if needed to the table with me next post.</P> <P>BTW - if one of you forum leaders or [Removed for Content] # crunchers wants my combat log or my CSM DB send me a PM with an email addy and I will bundle them up and send them to you for your own personal parsing pleasure.</P> <P>Message Edited by Krozlan on <SPAN class=date_text>07-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:51 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Krozlan on <span class=date_text>07-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:53 AM</span>

[Almeric_CoS]

<DIV>My suspicion is that doing difficult events when you're at the top of your tier isn't the best idea in the world.  A level 42 mob is expecting you to have level 40 equipment, and his stats and skills are likely to reflect that.  So wearing Tier 4 gear against a Tier 5 mob is bound to be a little more difficult even if he's only slightly higher than you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Once you put on your level 40 RARE gear, your stats shot up quite a lot, I'm sure.  Now you're more prepared for facing Tier 5 mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still, if you want to do a very basic parse to make sure avoidance works as advertised, shouldn't you be facing white-con mobs?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would find it quite interesting, mind you, to see someone figure out the formula of how avoidance is affected by a mob's level and/or if "arrows" make a difference on avoidance results.</DIV>

[Krozl]

I plan on doing a normal Hideout tonight where there should be several even con mobs after I gear out. I'll check my stats and parse only the straight even con fights. will present the data here when I can. Also if my monkey boy bud will get online I'll test the Phin's thang agianst even con mobs as well. Anyone know a good place with lots of level 40 mobs? solo?

[bonesbro]

Harclave and the new solo zones are not ideal avoidance tests, because those fights involve a large number of mobs which will flank you.  Remember that you can only deflect hits in your frontal 120 degree arc.  Also, those mobs cast a lot of spells, and some parsers might be stupid enough to count those as hits <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Almeric_CoS]

<DIV>Maybe the area outside of DFC in Zek?  I'm not sure if those are all heroic mobs or if its just some of them, but I think most of the mobs hovering around the Citadel are level 40.</DIV>