2H Weapon Question or 2

[Kackor]

Hello Brothers,I was just wondering in any of you had a good suggestion for a good 2H weapon. I have looked and tried several, and none that I have found seemed worth while. I understand the Repo problem when MT'ing, but, found that if I didnt spam the extra attacks to much, this wasnt much of a problem for me. So far, I havent found a 2H'er that didnt lower both my Attack and Avoidance. At present Im using 2 Pristine Imbued Cedar Quarter Staffs, which I like very much. They are pretty fast, do really nice damage and proc often. Looked at a Pristine Imbued Cedar Bo Staff, but couldnt see losing 22agi and 18str for some int and wis.Anyway, I was just wondering:1) Is there any real benefit to using a 2H weapon for a monk?2) Is so, what would be a good one to use?Thanks,Kakarot50 MonkThe Holy OrderKithicor<p>Message Edited by Kackorat on <span class=date_text>06-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:59 AM</span>

[Squidwalk]

<P>I would actually know peoples opinions on this as well. I have been using DW for most of my monkdem. I'm about to hit 30 and have a couple big 2H weapons waiting for me. One big maul will only drop my agi by one compared to the DW I'm using, the rest of the stats stay the same for switching. </P> <P>But for MT as well as off tanking, what seems to be the widely used weapons and why?</P>

[Edyil]

<P>There are lots of threads on this.  Both have advantages.  You get more stats DW.  You can spam more specials without losing normal attacks if you use a 2H.  You can avoid more Riposet with 2H, but you can avoid more hits (marginally) and get more procs with DW.</P> <P>The choice is yours, grasshopper.</P>

[Kackor]

I think the real problem is that SOE didnt make DW and 2H'ed equal. I know from personal experiance that the damage is roughly the same, the stat bonus's should be also. Why use a 2H'er with +agi and str, when you can use 2 DW's for 2x+agi and str? Kakarot =)

[ganjookie]

If your tanking, a nice 2hander, can help you avoid unsightly ripostes from the mob, as your attacking less then 1/2 the time if you where DW'ing.  Yet you still do some nice dmg, to hold aggro. <div></div>

[bonesbro]

<P>I am pretty sure you don't get more procs when DW vs. using a 2H weapon.  And the slower your weapon, the more procs you'll get on your special attacks.  Procs are scaled to the speed of your weapon, and special attack hits have the same chance to proc as normal weapon hits.  So a big slow weapon will proc much more frequently when you kick someone than a fast weapon.</P> <P>I think.  I haven't done a good parse on it yet.  *adds that to the TODO list*</P>

[sglant]

<P>Mostly depends on your role I think.</P> <P>Reiterating what others said, if tanking, 2h is better for the sheer fact it halves the chance of riposte from the mob.</P> <P>Depending on your weapons, stats do not change all that much (although you probably need fabled 2h to equal x2 dw stats).</P> <P>I have Mudslingers Arm for my 2h. I seem to tank well with it, and the dmg is a bit better (based on the 55.1 dmg rating vs my 2 dw weapons of 24.1dmg rating each (combined 48.2))</P> <P>If you are wanting a good 2h weapon though, Royal Great Flail would be your best option, in my opinion. Great stats, nice proc, and good dmg (I am praying for one myself).</P> <P> </P>

[SykeAuttic]

I just go by damage rating and then stats...was using DW for a long time, switched to 2H a few levels back and haven't found any DW with a better damage rating on the market...so with 2H I stay...  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Edyil]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bonesbro wrote:<BR> <P>I am pretty sure you don't get more procs when DW vs. using a 2H weapon.  And the slower your weapon, the more procs you'll get on your special attacks.  Procs are scaled to the speed of your weapon, and special attack hits have the same chance to proc as normal weapon hits.  So a big slow weapon will proc much more frequently when you kick someone than a fast weapon.</P> <P>I think.  I haven't done a good parse on it yet.  *adds that to the TODO list*</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I am fairly certain that if you have 2 weapons that proc at 5% each vs 1 weapon that procs at 5%, then you will get more procs with the DW weapons.  Please clarify that if I am wrong.  We are talking about procing weapons here and not some crappy buff that shouldn't be on a bar anywhere <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jenj]

<P>2-handers are the way to go. They will definately out-perform similiar rated DW if haste buffs are active. The best duel wields (e.g. prismatic baton) I have seen are rated around 30dps and might have +15-25 str per weapon or 30-50 total strength. However, I have yet to see any duel wield weapon come close to the damage output of a nice 3.8 fabled weapons (e.g. Royal Great Flail, rated at 55.1 dps), assuming you have around 150% haste. The great flail can easily get into the 200dps range, can any of your DWs do that?</P> <P>Also, proc frequency is much favored towards the 2-hander and I believe the formula is ([weapon speed / 3] * rated proc). For a 12% proc on a 3.8 delay weapon, you effectively get 16% proc chance on white con mobs. In contract a 5% proc on a 1.6 delay weapon is 2.67%. Personally, I typically see The Royal Great Flail (in numerous parses) proc between 15%-20% on raid mobs which will rival the damage output of Icy Talon. Does any of your DW procs rival Icy Talon total damage output? On a sillier point, if you are fighting green/blue mobs, I have seen the great flail proc up to 40-50% on very short battles. Remember procs occur anytime you do damage to the mob, so its very likely Lunging Mongoose will fire a proc.</P> <P>-Jenjer</P>

[Dandeli]

<DIV>-You should do the math more closely. The royal great flail IF 5% would only be 6.3% per hit. And DW weapons that are 1.6 delay 12% are 6.4% chance to proc. Kinda makes it skew outcome easily changing the %'s.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Currently they havent fixed cross procing of ranged and melee. My Venomous pouch procs on my melee weapons. </DIV> <DIV>What I'd like to know is, my pouch is 12% 2.8 delay. So its chance on ranged is about 11.2%. Does that recalculate when procing off my melee weapons to 6.4% (for the 1.6 delay weapons)</DIV> <DIV>I dont know the answer to this, would like to. I have a 12% melee weapon and the ranged is 12%, it appears the ranged procs more, but thats just eyeballing it.</DIV> <DIV>Anyways, its T4, but I use it still because, hell a free proc is a free proc...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-If ranged procs on melee, and melee still procs on ranged, will melee proc on melee? Will the proc on my first hand have a chance to proc off my second hand also? If thats the case, duuual wield!!!! Who knows?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-I dont think dual wield and 2h should have equal stats. To get near the damage of a 2her, you have to have two similarly nice dual wields. So you should get something for doing the work to have two nice dual wields.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Atm I use iron fist knuckles, Sixta's Knuckles of mastery, Crypic tunic, Venomous pouch for my attack procs.</DIV> <DIV>I dont even know if the sixta's 50% haste stacks with my 41% everburning flame. I'm not that much into it, dps will happen, things will die. But if it does stack, Iike that extra self haste, giving a chance for my ranged, chest, and main hand to go off.<BR><BR>I proc a lot, theres something going off all the time.... <BR><BR>^.~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Gaige]

At 50 both the Ancient Combine Flail and Royal Great Flail are ownage.

[Jenj]

<DIV><FONT color=#ff9900><EM>-You should do the math more closely. The royal great flail IF 5% would only be 6.3% per hit. And DW weapons that are 1.6 delay 12% are 6.4% chance to proc. Kinda makes it skew outcome easily changing the %'s.</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I run parses on every raid battle, every day. DW DO NOT proc twice as much. So a 5% duel wield (rated at 2) will proc 3 out-of-100 hits,  even if you have 2 equipped. comparing to a similiar 2-hander, we would look at a speed delay of 4 (they dont exist). However, your proc percent would be 6.67%. You are 3.33% favorite with the 2-hander. Furthermore, if you have haste benefits, your 2-hander far outperforms your DW proc rate (DW cap around .8 seconds per hit attempt)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ff9900>-Currently they havent fixed cross procing of ranged and melee. My Venomous pouch procs on my melee weapons.</FONT> </EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM>From my parses, youll pouch will proc at the rate to which its rated to, not your equipped weapons. Its easy for me to tell because the RGL has 12% proc and the enameled sheath has 5% proc. The parses show around 3% effective proc for the range item when meleeing.</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ff9900>-If ranged procs on melee, and melee still procs on ranged, will melee proc on melee?</FONT> </EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>No, having 2 DW weapons rated at 5% will proc roughly 3-5 out-of 100 times. I have parsed this too. By having 2 DW weps, you will obviously get to 100 hit faster versus a slow 2-hander or equipping just 1DW wep.</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9900><EM>I dont even know if the sixta's 50% haste stacks with my 41% everburning flame. </EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV>These should stack. In general, only combat art haste %s dont seem to stack. Haste buffs/procs, from others, items, etc., all seem to stack.</DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV>-Jenjer</DIV><p>Message Edited by Jenjer on <span class=date_text>06-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:11 PM</span>