Interesting ... duels coming in LU#9; correction: eventually

[FamilyManFir]

From this unofficial <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=17476#M17476" target=_blank>post</a> of LU#9b (thanks, Jezekiell!):*** Dueling ***- Now you can challenge enemies or allies to a duel!- Targeting another player and typing /duel sends them an invitation to battle.- You can fight in any location, whether it be in a city, inside a house, outdoors, or in the deepest dungeon.- To give up before the death blow is landed, type /duel_surrender to end the duel.- If two players are battling and one zones, camps, or goes linkdead, that player surrenders the duel.- The outcome of the duel is broadcast to everyone in the zone, whether it be death or surrender.- Be warned: Dying in a duel results in the same penalties as death to an NPC. You will drop a shard, incur XP debt, and take damage to your equipment. Nobody said duels were without risk.- You can neither offer nor accept a duel if:- You are in the same group as the potential opponent.- Either of you is considering another duel challenge.- Either of you is currently dueling someone else.- Either of you is locked to an encounter.- Either of you is on the hate list of an NPC.- Either of you is currently dead.- Either of you is on the other's ignore list.- Either of you is on a griffin.- Dueling tests not only the abilities of your class, but how well you play it. Let the battle begin!So what do you think of that?<p>Message Edited by FamilyManFirst on <span class=date_text>05-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:09 PM</span>

[Momolicio]

<div></div>I think the playerbase is finally going to be able to Beta test some of the more suspicious abilities (Stifling kick etc) for durations, full effects. etc. CC classes will dominate all duels with no CC immunities. Overall 2-3 months after duels are introduced we will see alot of fixes that should have been in the production product. Lets just hope they do not get stupid an try to balance PVP... <div></div><p>Message Edited by Elmomo on <span class=date_text>05-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:23 PM</span>

[Gaige]

I think I'm going to put a whoopin on some guardians.

[mellowknees72]

<P>I'm looking forward to pouncing on a human monk friend of mine...hee hee hee...I'm short, so he won't see me coming!</P> <P>Personally, I think this will be fun.  I've toured some of the bigger inn rooms and stuff and there are some that have this awesome arena type space that would make a PERFECT dueling arena.  I'm looking forward to having one for my guild and can envision us having a lot of fun smacking each other around and seeing who comes out on top.  Muahaha!</P>

[FamilyManFir]

<blockquote><hr>Elmomo wrote:Lets just hope they do not get stupid an try to balance PVP...<hr></blockquote>Moorgard has said that EQII is set up so that CAs and Spells can have different effects in PvP vs. PvE. If balancing happens (and it will, no doubt) it shouldn't affect PvE. Cross your fingers, anyway!Oh, here's the <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=92&query.id=0#M92" target=_blank>post</a> where Moor said that.

[Opa]

<DIV>Now that Gage is on my server, I'm gonna publicly challenege him to a duel on his own monkey boards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Boo-yah! Oh no I didn't!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Opaki</DIV> <DIV>Bruiser</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> mellowknees72 wrote:<BR> <P>I'm looking forward to pouncing on a human monk friend of mine...hee hee hee...I'm short, so he won't see me coming!</P> <P>Personally, I think this will be fun.  I've toured some of the bigger inn rooms and stuff and there are some that have this awesome arena type space that would make a PERFECT dueling arena.  I'm looking forward to having one for my guild and can envision us having a lot of fun smacking each other around and seeing who comes out on top.  Muahaha!</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Technically, He WILL see you comming as you will have to let him know ahead of time that you want to duel him.</DIV>

[woo]

I think this could be a lot of fun, however i don't have faith in the EQ2 community.  There are a lot of very immuature people out there who will spam in OOC for duels, or make fun of people not wanting to duel etc.. <p>Message Edited by woode on <span class=date_text>05-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:45 PM</span>

[OgApostrap]

<DIV>Might be interesting to have a fight with other members of the fighter tree... Can see how monks stack up.. No idea what it would show.. but whatever.. lol</DIV>

[mellowknees72]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> mellowknees72 wrote:<BR> <P>I'm looking forward to pouncing on a human monk friend of mine...hee hee hee...I'm short, so he won't see me coming!</P> <P>Personally, I think this will be fun.  I've toured some of the bigger inn rooms and stuff and there are some that have this awesome arena type space that would make a PERFECT dueling arena.  I'm looking forward to having one for my guild and can envision us having a lot of fun smacking each other around and seeing who comes out on top.  Muahaha!</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Technically, He WILL see you comming as you will have to let him know ahead of time that you want to duel him.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh, darnit, you're right.  I'll have to work on a way to distract him so he just clicks "YES" without any questions.  Muhahaha! ><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Almeric_CoS]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> woode wrote:<BR> I think this could be a lot of fun, however i don't have faith in the EQ2 community.  There are a lot of very immuature people out there who will spam in OOC for duels, or make fun of people not wanting to duel etc.. <P>Message Edited by woode on <SPAN class=date_text>05-19-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:45 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Though we're going to have our share of dumbasses, I think we'll find that holding off on PVP was the best thing that could have happened for us.  The MOST immature losers went to play WoW.</DIV>

[Almeric_CoS]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OgApostraphe wrote:<BR> <DIV>Might be interesting to have a fight with other members of the fighter tree... Can see how monks stack up.. No idea what it would show.. but whatever.. lol</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I think we'll be capable of destroying most everything in our path...especially with LuSun's, which<EM> </EM>I could totally see having its stifle being taken away when using against players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stifle for 5 seconds, then Darting Sparrow, then Grappling Bear...then Stifle again...we'll be best at taking out mages, of course, but it'll work on any low-avoidance class <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Almeric wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OgApostraphe wrote:<BR> <DIV>Might be interesting to have a fight with other members of the fighter tree... Can see how monks stack up.. No idea what it would show.. but whatever.. lol</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I think we'll be capable of destroying most everything in our path...especially with LuSun's, which<EM> </EM>I could totally see having its stifle being taken away when using against players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stifle for 5 seconds, then Darting Sparrow, then Grappling Bear...then Stifle again...we'll be best at taking out mages, of course, but it'll work on any low-avoidance class <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Which is pretty much everyone. Even the scout classes have lower avoidance values than monks. Don't forget that Icy Talon stuns and Goran's slows attack speed.</DIV>

[Momolicio]

Hmm an Players will be non ^ lvl 50 targets.... Devastating.... <div></div>

[Lareal]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! We have a lot of skills that will giive us an edge, but we don't need to broadcast. Meanwhile, I'm gonna take a peek at the finger-wiggler boards. <div></div>

[Ashleyyy]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gage-Mikel wrote:<BR>I think I'm going to put a whoopin on some guardians. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yes!! Put those tin cans in their place!</DIV>

[PsyKr]

<P>Well Monks are known for their ability to stun and interupt which should be excellent.</P> <P>Although not many people know what monks can do which would give us the upper hand :smileywink: <BR>However I really wouldn't want to go up against a ranger or assassin, that would equal being kited and basically us just sitting their, unless we keep Wind Walk handy to get that upper hand (Predators don't get See Invis do they?) <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>This will be interesting to see which class begins crying first, although Swashbucklers allready did that and PvP hasnt been introduced :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Lareal]

Dude, go up a couple posts. keep the skills quiet!. We all know what to do, no need to tell the other classes how we're going to beat em. <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>You act like it won't be public knowledge AFTER they put PVP in.</DIV>

[Lareal]

Those we fight will know 1-2 tactics we use, after the fact. That doesn't mean everyone will. It also doesn't mean we should start a guide on "tactics will use in Duels" so that others can begin working on counters. This is a monk board, we know our skills, the only people this will be news to is those we're going to fight. <div></div>

[woo]

we should create a secret monk board.. with a secret password.. and only monks can get in :smileywink:

[Gaige]

<P>They did that and then IGE bought it.</P> <P>Wait a minute.  That means one of us will get rich!</P>

[Secret-P]

<DIV>this will be fun </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will sure be interesting to see how we do Vs others classes</DIV> <DIV>ANd yeah, we should have a few tricks up our sleeves before they get nerfed =)</DIV>

[stfields]

This will be fun.  The 50 Ranger in my guild was already challenged me.  I think I will get a T5 snare doll and then he will be dead.  No kiting + no flanking = very dead ranger.

[diamondma]

im guessin wiz/warlocks, and rogues are gonna be the toughest to deal with. they have snares/roots and have some pretty nasty ranged spells of which rogues can cast on the run. <div></div>

[KeenaMoonphy]

I think it'll be a blast. Will give us ol 50's something fun and challenging to do. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS - Nice siggy Saga <3</DIV>

[Gaige]

Speaking of sig's, I love yours Keena.

[KeenaMoonphy]

<P>Danke Gage! <3</P> <P> </P>

[Jay]

<FONT size=2></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry, the secret's out. We rangers know all your lil pajama-wearing tricks! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And yes, we do get certain abilities to See Invis... you're never going to beat us at the stealth game. You guys kick butt, no doubt about that... but if my butt's 40 yards away filling you with arrows, what then? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><waves to Ash> Now who's stalking who, hon?  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV>

[Gaige]

<P>*waits for his -catch arrows- ability in the expansion*</P> <P>They do that all the time in kung-fu flicks.</P>

[diamondma]

<div></div>long as we arent snared we will get ya =P ps - danke hon <div></div><p>Message Edited by diamondmage on <span class=date_text>05-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:43 AM</span>

[Jay]

<P><FONT size=2>Ha, catch arrows! Remember the Fist of the Northstar? (The comic, not the movie.) The Two-Fingered Grasp of Nil-space, I think it was called. Very uber. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>In thinking about it further...your high avoidance / parry might be a big problem for us ranged types. Hell, if a frigging TURTLE can parry my 800+ damage Triple Shot, you should have no problem just knocking my fun outta the air and then coming up and kicking me in the junk. Except that we (should) generally move faster than you, and at least three of my melee attacks can hit you from farther away than you can hit me. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So if you're going into battle against a ranger, bring your Nikes. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>And to clear up anyone who thinks I'm just trolling... I am. But I'm trolling for a reason, and she's a damned cute reason. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR><FONT size=2></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry, the secret's out. We rangers know all your lil pajama-wearing tricks! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And yes, we do get certain abilities to See Invis... you're never going to beat us at the stealth game. You guys kick butt, no doubt about that... but if my butt's 40 yards away filling you with arrows, what then? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Now who's stalking who, hon?  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>All it takes is a few petitions and numerical data for SoE to apply the EQlive PVP Rallos Zek rules. In other words: your chances of hitting your opponent with a ranged weapon is SIGNIFICANTLY LOWERED if you or your opponent is moving at the time you fire. Add in the fact that monks naturally have a 65-95% chance (depending on the level of the monk and his gear) to avoid your arrow anyway... well you can do the math.</DIV>

[Bewts]

BotB please <div></div>

[FamilyManFir]

Heads up ... looks like duels <u>won't</u> be coming with LU#9 after all.Moorgard posted about it <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=1022#M1022" target=_blank>here</a>.Basically, it's still rough around the edges and they want to polish it. No ETA is given, but Moor stated that it would likely be "several updates from now." Whatever that means <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.So it's on the way, but still a ways off yet.

[Jay]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <P>All it takes is a few petitions and numerical data for SoE to apply the EQlive PVP Rallos Zek rules. In other words: your chances of hitting your opponent with a ranged weapon is SIGNIFICANTLY LOWERED if you or your opponent is moving at the time you fire. Add in the fact that monks naturally have a 65-95% chance (depending on the level of the monk and his gear) to avoid your arrow anyway... well you can do the math.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's all well and good, but if it's implemented well (and that's a big if), no one class will be invulnerable any other class, petitions or not. Like I said, I know you guys kick [Removed for Content] - I regularly group with Amalia and she's incredible - but we rangers aren't exactly powerless. Tactics and strategy will be adjusted accordingly. Maybe my ranged attacks aren't as effective, but can you kick an opponent you can't see? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Anyway, this is all meant with respect and good humor; smug responses and ego-trips get the gas face. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <P>All it takes is a few petitions and numerical data for SoE to apply the EQlive PVP Rallos Zek rules. In other words: your chances of hitting your opponent with a ranged weapon is SIGNIFICANTLY LOWERED if you or your opponent is moving at the time you fire. Add in the fact that monks naturally have a 65-95% chance (depending on the level of the monk and his gear) to avoid your arrow anyway... well you can do the math.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's all well and good, but if it's implemented well (and that's a big if), no one class will be invulnerable any other class, petitions or not. Like I said, I know you guys kick [Removed for Content] - I regularly group with Amalia and she's incredible - but we rangers aren't exactly powerless. Tactics and strategy will be adjusted accordingly. Maybe my ranged attacks aren't as effective, <STRONG>but can you kick an opponent you can't see? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></STRONG></P> <P>Anyway, this is all meant with respect and good humor; smug responses and ego-trips get the gas face. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>As a matter of fact we can.  We have a few kicks that actually have some range distance on them.</DIV>