View Full Version : is high agi > some mitigation??
Yuna_Reme
04-04-2005, 01:33 AM
<DIV>ok i won the roll for a pair of very light armor slippers with crazy good stats but i cant decide if i should give up my old one so in short which one would you use?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>52ac 11sta 13agi 35hp 37power 270magic 270mental</DIV> <DIV>or</DIV> <DIV>128ac 5agi 5str 27hp 13powr 120disiese 120 mental</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thank you very much for the advice</DIV>
<P>tough decision..</P> <P> </P> <P>if i were making the choice, i would choose the very light armor boots..</P>
Jezekie
04-04-2005, 01:54 AM
<span><blockquote><hr>Yuna_Remedi wrote:<div>ok i won the roll for a pair of very light armor slippers with crazy good stats but i cant decide if i should give up my old one so in short which one would you use?</div> <div> </div> <div>52ac 11sta 13agi 35hp 37power 270magic 270mental</div> <div>or</div> <div>128ac 5agi 5str 27hp 13powr 120disiese 120 mental</div> <div> </div> <div>thank you very much for the advice</div><hr></blockquote>Under the current system you'll want the extra mitigation. This may or may not change come LU#7.</span><div></div>
Brew01
04-04-2005, 04:12 AM
Did you happen to get them from Nek castle? I too had a pair of Very light slippers with similar stats. I used them up untill they turned green I thought they were very good. However if I had a chance to do it over I would have just sold them. Later you will want to upgrade to a Light Armor piece for the AC / Mitigation when a caster could use them up to Lvl 50. The whole attunement system kinda makes choices like this very hard good luck. :smileyhappy:
bonesbro
04-04-2005, 08:42 PM
I would use the light armor boots. <div></div>
Babayaaga
04-04-2005, 08:49 PM
I don't think it's a good idea to sacrifice AC for a few more points of AGI. While AGI helps AC does play a pretty major factor in how much damage you take per hit and if you tank or even off tank (as most Monks do), you will get hit a lot as a monk.
ArivenGemini
04-04-2005, 10:36 PM
<span><blockquote><hr>Yuna_Remedi wrote:<div>ok i won the roll for a pair of very light armor slippers with crazy good stats but i cant decide if i should give up my old one so in short which one would you use?</div> <div> </div> <div>52ac 11sta 13agi 35hp 37power 270magic 270mental</div> <div>or</div> <div>128ac 5agi 5str 27hp 13powr 120disiese 120 mental</div> <div> </div> <div>thank you very much for the advice</div><hr></blockquote>I remember seeing that they are planning on making DOTs be affected by resists.. so with the double resists on magic and mental you might be interested in that reason alone... You can also check to see if the added agility will increase your avoidance enough to account for the minimal loss of mitigation... and realize that you are losing 5 str so you will lose a touch of damage output... See? I didn't help at all I just made it more complex <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>
Bladewind
04-04-2005, 11:06 PM
<DIV>The additional stamina and health on the very light boots will also take a bit of the sting out of losing the mitigation...</DIV>
<P>Those boots are sweet! But I would not trade 76 AC for 8 AGI. I would be interested to see how they affect your stats to make the decision. </P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>For example (an example only):</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cccccc>Mitigation = 40% Mitigation = 60%<BR> =</FONT><FONT color=#cccccc><BR>Avoidance = 75% <FONT color=#cccccc>Avoidance = 50%</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>If your new boots (with high AGI) give you the first column and your old boots gave you the second column (higher AC), it would make no difference what boots you attuned. Why? Well, lets take the random role out of the game for a second. Let's assume a mob took 10 swings at you, each with the same 1,000 damage output for a total of 10,000 damage. With each of the configurations above, you would take 3,000 damage. So, they are equal. (10,000*.75)*.4 = (10,000*.5)*.6.</FONT></P> <P>So, if you can attune both (if they are no trade), check out how they change your stats and choose some fixed variables to play with.</P> <P><FONT color=#cccccc></FONT> </P> <P> </P>
You have to consider the STA as well. Basically it comes down to: would you avoid enough extra attacks and add enough extra hp to make up for not getting hit as hard. In my opinion the mitigation wins out because at this point in the game, mitigation seems more reliable than avoidance. You also must consider that you won't get much money for this peice. Very light armor pieces that don't give INT haven't sold well in my experience (i.e. Shadow's Weave) which I wear in DPS mode, but only bought for like 15g. <div></div>
the very light armor ones no doubt <div></div>
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alarr wrote:<BR> <P>Those boots are sweet! But I would not trade 76 AC for 8 AGI. I would be interested to see how they affect your stats to make the decision. </P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>For example (an example only):</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cccccc>Mitigation = 40% Mitigation = 60%<BR> =</FONT><FONT color=#cccccc><BR>Avoidance = 75% <FONT color=#cccccc>Avoidance = 50%</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>If your new boots (with high AGI) give you the first column and your old boots gave you the second column (higher AC), it would make no difference what boots you attuned. Why? Well, lets take the random role out of the game for a second. Let's assume a mob took 10 swings at you, each with the same 1,000 damage output for a total of 10,000 damage. With each of the configurations above, you would take 3,000 damage. So, they are equal. (10,000*.75)*.4 = (10,000*.5)*.6.</FONT></P> <P>So, if you can attune both (if they are no trade), check out how they change your stats and choose some fixed variables to play with.</P> <P><FONT color=#cccccc></FONT> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah I recently fianlyl found a tunic that was nice enough to use over a robe I was using its agi buff was better. Before robe had more and tunic had less agi (my old tunic that is) The AC loss was about equal to the avoidance gain by agi on robe and robe had an effect so wore it while tanking. Altho now have one with more ac and more agi and made the change worht while <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Scary thing is plate firend using a shield has 59% mitigation and 67% avoidance. Pretty amazing I thought blew me out of the water on the overall picture. Be glad to see Updates to come on this sort of thing. But on thing to watch is watch the mouse over Percentage on AC changes to get best comparrisons on armor swapping.</P> <P> </P>
SageMarrow
04-05-2005, 08:46 PM
<P>i would say stick with the mitigation, its not like the agility affects you directly, moreso it works in tiers to my knowledge.</P> <P>100+ agility gives x% boost, </P> <P>100+ strenght gives x% boost, </P> <P>Therefore 101 -149 wont matter for the most part. Thats the way they explained it when they adjusted strenght remeber?</P> <P>but 70AC matters alot, avoidance or no, you arent going to get far past 75% avoidance without a full group setting. </P> <P>So anytime you are tanking, forsake the stats and go with the mitigation, you know that you are going to get hit for sure, so brace for impact moreso. You dont know when and how you will avoid though...</P> <P>So in other words certainty is always better than uncertainty. if that helps any.</P> <P>Good luck!!!</P>
stfields
04-05-2005, 10:15 PM
<DIV>I'd go with the VL boots. The extra stamina should yield over 100hp I think. The extra agility would probably only push you about 0.5% higher in avoidance though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing to keep in mind is that if you are in a full group and your AC is being buffed the way it should, 70AC really isn't all that much. On the flip side of that... a few extra agility isn't all that much if a druid/bard type is buffing your agility by some absurd amount. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kind of a toss up I think. If you are fighting casters, I'd go with VL boots and all the resists you can get. Mage NPC don't hit for much but the pack a wallop if you have poor resists. </DIV>
Computer MAn
04-06-2005, 07:15 AM
Do those happen to be unkempt sliippers of valor. I was looking at a pair today and was wondering the same question <div></div>
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