Maybe I'm just the oddball 0_o

[Yuna_Reme]

<DIV>Ok guys I have read these monk forums quite awhile posting very rarely just to ask for some advice but really i need to say somethin please forgive me if i come off too abrasive</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let me introduce what knowledge I bring to the table first I currently have played in this game</DIV> <DIV>43 Fury</DIV> <DIV>29 Monk (started off a Ratonga)</DIV> <DIV>27 Shadowknight / 24 Weaponsmith</DIV> <DIV>25 Berserker</DIV> <DIV>28 Monk (rerolled as a half elf)</DIV> <DIV>all these on 2 seperate accounts</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ok thats the extent of my knowldge now you know I have played every tank style a warrior a brawler and a crusader all to at least 25+ and I would say heres my opinion on things</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Warriors tend to tank better against groups of mobs better dps as well as better aoe taunt capabilities</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3300cc>Crusaders tend to do VERY well against single ^^ encounters I have rarely  seen a pally / sk lose agro on a single mob</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Monks well seems were kind of the jack of all trades I have noticed I can VERY easily tank in a normal xp group it is not too hard at all now I am not the best monk out there but i try to keep my gear up to par or better I also know that crusaders / warriors do tank more eficiently than I do but i have never been so bad that the group said ok lets fined a "real" tank in fact most of the time the response I get is "WOW didnt know monks could still tank"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>ok now for my gripes</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>(1)  I feel our avoidance and or our deflection needs to be SLIGHTLY raised nothing incredible but a few kinks ironed out will be awesome</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>(2) I also feel that we need a more reliable set of "utility" spells to offset our taunt lacking for example maybe an upgrade to Wind Walk? or how about a FD that actually works 50% of the time or greater =P maybe even a mend that can heal a little better =)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>(3) Lastly I would like to see our "base" shield be upted from a round shield to a kite shield =) seems to me that crusaders and warriors with a shield actually have better avoidance than us =(</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>ok now for my  I LIKES about being a monk</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>(1) our dps is actually very good I have the combat stats program and VERY rarely am i not in the top 2-3 of my group i continuisly out damage scouts and some mage classes and 99% of the time any other fighter type save a bruisor =)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>(2) our fighting style is fun to look at  least its not that drab hack and slash crap that other melee charecters do =)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>(3) I can fill many rolls very eficiently I can EASILY peel a mob if need so I make a GREAT off tank my dps is good enough i rarely have trouble finding a group spot people think i can still dps with the best =) and lastly I can tank quite proficiently when the time is needed =)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>(4) Lastly on my first monk up till 29 and currently on my 29 half elf monk I have NEVER had any trouble soloing a green^^ and if i get that armor buff heroic opurtunity I can take on a blue ^^ and actually come out on top =P</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>All in all i think its a great class a little tweaking here and there and its fine I think some of you guys are too stuck in the I want to be an uberfied powergamer mindset to truly enjoy this for what it is a GAME our class is FAR from broken maybe not perfect but then again nothing EVER is I'm also not saying anyone here sucks as a player im just saying maybe if your not enjoying your monk because say you want to be a GOD tank well then reroll a guardian and be happy =) if you want more DPS go be a warlock =) its a game guys dont spend so much time upset over what other classes get better than you you will only be remembered as a whiner go play your class and earn the respect of those you play with for being a skilled monk =) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>just remember the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side of the fence i promise you no matter how much SOE tweaks this class or that class someone somewhere is always gonna be saying....why cant I have that</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>well I hope I havnt made any of you hate me I was just postin my thoughts on the class I mean I enjoyed it enough to reroll and play it again lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Xiaoyu Linghua</DIV> <DIV>28th Half Elven Monk Maiden</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. please forgive my gramatically and spellingly challenged self =)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Yuna_Remedi on <span class=date_text>03-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:08 PM</span>

[maluv]

<P>Nice post, but i'm thinking when the whole mitg/avoid patch goes in, and monks become full avoidence that tanking is going to get harder..... IMHO mitg>avoid, avoidence is good yes, to be fully dependant on it with slim to no mitigation then i think thats going to cause trouble, i know theres an imbalance of it right now between plate and monk classes, but with out the mitigation to slim the damage that is taken, avoidence is going to be a little difficult. bcuz the only thing your reallying on is to "dodge" the mob, but when u dont avoid then u got a big booboo</P> <P>but who knows, the patch isn't out yet, but i liked your post :smileywink:</P>

[Wiou]

my eyes! <div></div>

[Nemi]

<div></div><hr><font color="#66ff00">1) our dps is actually very good I have the combat stats program and VERY rarely am i not in the top 2-3 of my group i continuisly out damage scouts and some mage classes and 99% of the time any other fighter type save a bruisor =)</font><hr>When they balance the tanking, I hope this is no longer the case. I <font color="#cc0000"><b>HATE</b><font color="#ffffff">the fact that any improvement to our tanking throws this up ALL the time. Monk DPS is TOO good, we need it reduced and we need our tanking improved.</font></font><div></div>

[maluv]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT color=#cc0000><FONT color=#ffffff><BR></FONT></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nemi wrote:<BR> <BR>When they balance the tanking, I hope this is no longer the case. I <FONT color=#cc0000><B>HATE</B><FONT color=#ffffff>the fact that any improvement to our tanking throws this up ALL the time. Monk DPS is TOO good, we need it reduced and we need our tanking improved.<BR><BR><BR></FONT></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR> <P><BR>wow, u need to reroll a guardian, monks are ment for dps with the ability to tank, not the ability to tank with lil dps, thats stupid...</P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[SageMarrow]

 and pointless

[Isa]

<P>AGAIN, please stop telling them to nerf us in any way.  I respect those that say they want us to tank better.  Arguing to have your own class nerfed is just silly silly silly!!!</P> <P> </P> <P>Mitsy</P> <P>Legends</P> <P>Crushbone</P>

[Tully]

<P>Our dps is not too good.  Thats the most stupid comment i've seen and I hope its not a monk that said this.  Almost any scout or mage with talent and the same level of gear/spells as me will outdamage me unless they are slacking.  If not, then their skills or gear isn't as good as mine or they are afk half the time.</P> <P>If anything, we need more dps cause there are plate tanks that out dps us.  Explain why a class that gets to wear heavy armor also gets more dps and i've even seen plate tanks with near my level of avoidance.  This is unacceptable.  If they get to sport an average of 500-700 more Mitigation over me, then why is my avoidance only like 5-10% more in some cases.  They know something is not right and they are working on it.  So chill the hell out and shut the hell up about our dps.  </P>

[Nemi]

<blockquote><hr>maluvin wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT color=#cc0000><FONT color=#ffffff><BR></FONT></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nemi wrote:<BR> <BR>When they balance the tanking, I hope this is no longer the case. I <FONT color=#cc0000><B>HATE</B><FONT color=#ffffff>the fact that any improvement to our tanking throws this up ALL the time. Monk DPS is TOO good, we need it reduced and we need our tanking improved.<BR><BR><BR></FONT></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR> <P><BR>wow, u need to reroll a guardian, monks are ment for dps with the ability to tank, not the ability to tank with lil dps, thats stupid...</P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <hr></blockquote>wow, u need to reroll a scout.Monks are made to tank, thats why we're from the fighter tree

[Nemi]

<blockquote><hr>Tully14 wrote:<P>Our dps is not too good. Thats the most stupid comment i've seen and I hope its not a monk that said this. <hr></blockquote>Really? So you agree with the original poster then when he says:<blockquote><hr>(1) our dps is actually very good I have the combat stats program and VERY rarely am i not in the top 2-3 of my group i continuisly out damage scouts and some mage classes and 99% of the time any other fighter type save a bruisor =)<hr></blockquote>Once the balances passes go through, the above statement will not be true. Monks will be behind Scouts, Mages and Bruisers in DPS, where we belong.

[maluv]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nemi wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> maluvin wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT color=#cc0000><FONT color=#ffffff><BR></FONT></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nemi wrote:<BR> <BR>When they balance the tanking, I hope this is no longer the case. I <FONT color=#cc0000><B>HATE</B><FONT color=#ffffff>the fact that any improvement to our tanking throws this up ALL the time. Monk DPS is TOO good, we need it reduced and we need our tanking improved.<BR><BR><BR></FONT></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR> <P><BR>wow, u need to reroll a guardian, monks are ment for dps with the ability to tank, not the ability to tank with lil dps, thats stupid...</P> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>wow, u need to reroll a scout.<BR><BR>Monks are made to tank, thats why we're from the fighter tree<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>wow, if only u could read... and comprehend</P> <P>i said monks are ment for dps with the ability to tank</P>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> maluvin wrote:<BR> <P>wow, if only u could read... and comprehend</P> <P>i said monks are ment for dps with the ability to tank<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Heh.  Coming from the guy who says we should be in the scout tree?<BR>

[bonesbro]

Maybe it's just been my experiences with crappy scouts in pickup groups, but I find that I am usually outdamaging them by a factor of two.  Then I start pasting damage numbers to group and they jump up above me and stay there for a while, then creep back down till I paste again. <div></div>

[maluv]

<DIV>Not realy the scout tree, but the dps tree. i think monks should be more focused towards dps, and still tank.... but there really isn't a place, was just a thought.</DIV>