Adept Feign Death combat art line shows same success rate as Master I (pics)

[Solaera_E]

Have a look at these. <img src="http://flapjack.modwest.com/uploads/play_dead.JPG"><img src="http://flapjack.modwest.com/uploads/stop_heart.JPG">I am level 44 and picked up Master I Stop Heart today and was disturbed to see this. Adept I Play Dead success is 75% within it's level range, while Master Stop Heart is also 75%? Level of the art notwithstanding, is this an error? Master level arts should not have the same percentage of success as adepts, IMO. Am I missing something? =/

[Jewishman]

<DIV>Many master 1's are broken and sometimes the description is erroneous.  Master 1 says 0% chance of working on mobs 48+, but I've FD'd and lost aggro against 50+ groupx2 mobs.  (with <STRONG><U>apprentice 1</U></STRONG> stop heart lol)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hopefully in the future all CA's/abilities will properly scale. Until then im saving my rubies and not buying any master 1's  unless they are for damage-related CA's.  </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Jewishman on <span class=date_text>03-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:26 AM</span>

[Jezekie]

<blockquote><hr>Solaera_EQ2 wrote:Have a look at these. I am level 44 and picked up Master I Stop Heart today and was disturbed to see this. Adept I Play Dead success is 75% within it's level range, while Master Stop Heart is also 75%? Level of the art notwithstanding, is this an error? Master level arts should not have the same percentage of success as adepts, IMO. Am I missing something? =/<hr></blockquote>Success rates are static in this skill line, what changes it the level range of NPCs affected. Adept 3 stop heart has a 75% vs lvl 41 or lower, and 0% vs 51 on higher. Your master skill will likly be around 75% vs 43 or lower, and 0% vs 53 and higher if I had to make a guess, this is at level 50 BTW.

[Jewishman]

<DIV>Success rates may be static, but I still don't trust the given values and level ranges described on the upgraded spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like I said, I have apprentice 1 stop heart and it works on mobs 48+ </DIV><p>Message Edited by Jewishman on <span class=date_text>03-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:52 PM</span>

[Solaera_E]

<blockquote><hr>Jewishman wrote:<DIV>Success rates may be static, but I still don't trust the given values and level ranges described on the upgraded spells.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Like I said, I have apprentice 1 stop heart and it works on mobs 48+ </DIV><p>Message Edited by Jewishman on <span class=date_text>03-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:52 PM</span><hr></blockquote>Aye, and Play dead has worked on level 42 mobs also.

[bluefish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Solaera_EQ2 wrote:<BR>Have a look at these. <BR><BR><IMG src="http://flapjack.modwest.com/uploads/play_dead.JPG"><BR><BR><IMG src="http://flapjack.modwest.com/uploads/stop_heart.JPG"><BR><BR>I am level 44 and picked up Master I Stop Heart today and was disturbed to see this. Adept I Play Dead success is 75% within it's level range, while Master Stop Heart is also 75%? Level of the art notwithstanding, is this an error? Master level arts should not have the same percentage of success as adepts, IMO. Am I missing something? =/<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>75% chance of success:</P> <P>play dead = level 29 or lower</P> <P>stop heart = level 39 or lower</P> <P> </P> <P>0% chance of success:</P> <P>play dead = level 39 or higher </P> <P>stop heart = level 48 or higher </P> <P> </P> <P>I dont know about you but these figures look VERY different to me .. Maybe I am not looking at your screen shots correctly ?</P> <P> </P> <P>I dont understand what you are complaining about here as I see stop heart much better than play dead </P> <P> </P>

[Solaera_E]

I think you missed the point, which was the adept version is showing the same success rate as the Master version. I just couldn't screenshot Stop Heart adept 1 because I have master. If I could, it would read the same success percentage as Master, that's the point. The descriptions are basically wrong and need a fix.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>For the record, my Play Dead App 4 skill says a 0% on creatures level 31 or higher.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can successfully feign off level 34's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now what does that tell you?</DIV>

[Jezekie]

<blockquote><hr>Solaera_EQ2 wrote:I think you missed the point, which was the adept version is showing the same success rate as the Master version. I just couldn't screenshot Stop Heart adept 1 because I have master. If I could, it would read the same success percentage as Master, that's the point. The descriptions are basically wrong and need a fix.<hr></blockquote>Yes, and as I and others tried to explain is that the successrate is static and doesn't change regardless of the rank of the skill or your own level. What changes is the max/min levels you can successfully feign against, or at which level you have 0% change to feign against. Disregarding the fact that none of the success numbers seems to match in game testing.

[SageMarrow]

<DIV>lol no use in trying to figure it out lol- the discriptions are broken lol - thats the just of it - they need to be more discriptive of what they really do - its an almost random chance on just about any mob given that its not red and you are severely out matched and even then there is still a small x % that it MIGHT work ... -</DIV>

[bluefish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Solaera_EQ2 wrote:<BR>I think you missed the point, which was the adept version is showing the same success rate as the Master version. I just couldn't screenshot Stop Heart adept 1 because I have master. If I could, it would read the same success percentage as Master, that's the point. The descriptions are basically wrong and need a fix.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>In this case, the spell upgrades only change the level of mobs it's effective against .. not the success rate % ..  master 1 is more effective on higher level mobs than adept 1 and adept 1 is more effective against higher level mobs than app 1 and so on and so forth.</P>

[Matum]

<DIV>Don't bother with those skill descriptions.  At level 34 with adept 3 Play Dead (description 0% chance on 38+) I was successfully FD'ing level 43 nightbloods and lamias in RV.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cider</DIV>