A piece of advice: ignore someone you dis-respect

[FamilyManFir]

I'll only post this once, as it rubs up against the rule I have made for myself, and it also rubs close to a threadlock. However, I did want to state this.If there is a poster who has earned your complete <i>dis</i>-respect, <b>ignore their posts</b>.For politeness's sake I will name no names but there is a poster on this board who has earned my dis-respect. It is clear to me that s/he is more interested in confrontation than in constructive posts. It's a shame, really, because s/he has demonstrated, infrequently, that s/he <i>can</i> contribute positively, however s/he chooses not to. I, therefore, utterly ignore any post that s/he publishes, negative or (rarely) positive.Believe me, nothing is more devastating to this kind of person than being completely ignored. Moreover, it helps to maintain a more positive board.Please consider it.

[JuJut]

<DIV>I agree whole-heartedly.</DIV>

[Coter]

/agree

[kerra]

<DIV> <P><SPAN>It is funny how tranquility is our major stat yet there seems to be a lack of it in the forums.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Well-said FamilyManFirst I agree completely. </SPAN></P></DIV>

[Owa]

<DIV>I agree too.</DIV>

[Aegi]

what? WHAT?!You mean I shouldn't childishly flame them?Shucks.

[MoonglumHMV]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aegien wrote:<BR>what? WHAT?!<BR><BR>You mean I shouldn't childishly flame them?<BR><BR>Shucks.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Well, since the last forum patch, I've noticed nothing has changed in my flaming abilities.  I flame just as well as any other troll.  Could you please post your logs, screen shots, DNA samples, and give your exact methodology on how you came to the conclusions that we shouldn't flame?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was with this one other troll and I scientifically ran tests for 2 hours, and I've proven our flaming abilities were equal.  I did however purge my logs, reformatted my hard drive, and put my PC through an EKG since this test, but trust me...Einstein would have been proud of the science behind the test I ran, so my conclusions are undisputable.</FONT></DIV>

[Aegi]

<blockquote><hr>MoonglumHMV wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Aegien wrote:<BR>what? WHAT?!<BR><BR>You mean I shouldn't childishly flame them?<BR><BR>Shucks.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><DIV>Well, since the last forum patch, I've noticed nothing has changed in my flaming abilities. I flame just as well as any other troll. Could you please post your logs, screen shots, DNA samples, and give your exact methodology on how you came to the conclusions that we shouldn't flame?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I was with this one other troll and I scientifically ran tests for 2 hours, and I've proven our flaming abilities were equal. I did however purge my logs, reformatted my hard drive, and put my PC through an EKG since this test, but trust me...Einstein would have been proud of the science behind the test I ran, so my conclusions are undisputable.</FONT></DIV><hr></blockquote>I'm infuriated by your post. Your tests must be flawed, I've clearly been nerfed and there's no one but you to blame. Attached you will find my letter outlining the reasons that you are teh sux, and I am quitting EQ2.lolz, u, ur, etc...

[Owa]

<DIV>Dear Sir,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I object to the last poster's objection and move that he be covered in jam <EM>immediately </EM>and made to sit in the corner while we all talk about him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yours etc. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Colonel Iambetterthan You (Rtd ), Dunflamin', Smugsville.</DIV>

[Gaige]

<DIV>Nice post, for me its just easier said than done, but I'm trying.</DIV>

[MoonglumHMV]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gage-Mikel wrote:<BR> <DIV>Nice post, for me its just easier said than done, but I'm trying.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Although I did try to inject some levity, I agree...There should be nothing that someone you don't have respect for or know is someone trying to push your buttons can do if you just ignore them.  The ever so popular saying of "don't feed the trolls" couldn't be more true.</P> <P>If you ignore them they will eventually just stop or realize that people are not falling for their banter; and maybe, just maybe, might try to change their ways to become a contributing member of the forums.</FONT></P> <P>I'll freely admit that I do troll the forums while I'm at work, but I also know my place...I'm only a 23 Monk and I solo almost exclusively, so I know what I can and cannot comment on as far as the monk class goes.  When there is a post that I can be constructive with and my input might hold some weight, I'm right there.  I don't post just to see my name in lights or to keep my post count growing.</P> <P><BR></P>

[Owa]

<DIV> <DIV>I think we all know who we're talking about here don't we?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Post of infamy +5 was not was not a statement, flame, or personal attack. It was merely a  question  - to which I got about two informative replies and about 60 abusive rants.  I have been puzzled as to why, for what was an innocuous enough post, I seem to have generated more animus than all the ranters and hate-mongers that infest these boards. And no, I don't deny that my own responses got progressively more hostile as the general level of bile rose. However, there are many more-flagrantly nasty and offensive posts which haven't earned the level of opprobium as my little effort. One can only conclude that some people simply were not able to understand the posts. Perhaps if my grammar, vocabulary and reasoning were as attentuated as my detractors' this whole regrettable incident wouldn't have even happened.  Like you, I pay my subscription and I am perfectly entitled call things as I see them. The purpose of any forum surely should not be to shout down or exclude those with whom you disagree. I saw something I thought was anomalous and asked what people thought. Do I wish I'd never bothered to ask? Yes. Oh my God YES! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do I think people fearing to post because of abusive responses and social exclusion will help the forums, the game or the players? Not really . Do you?</DIV></DIV>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> annaspider wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV>I think we all know who we're talking about here don't we?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Post of infamy +5 was not was not a statement, flame, or personal attack. It was merely a  question  - to which I got about two informative replies and about 60 abusive rants.  I have been puzzled as to why, for what was an innocuous enough post, I seem to have generated more animus than all the ranters and hate-mongers that infest these boards. And no, I don't deny that my own responses got progressively more hostile as the general level of bile rose. However, there are many more-flagrantly nasty and offensive posts which haven't earned the level of opprobium as my little effort. One can only conclude that some people simply were not able to understand the posts. Perhaps if my grammar, vocabulary and reasoning were as attentuated as my detractors' this whole regrettable incident wouldn't have even happened.  Like you, I pay my subscription and I am perfectly entitled call things as I see them. The purpose of any forum surely should not be to shout down or exclude those with whom you disagree. I saw something I thought was anomalous and asked what people thought. Do I wish I'd never bothered to ask? Yes. Oh my God YES! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do I think people fearing to post because of abusive responses and social exclusion will help the forums, the game or the players? Not really . Do you?</DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hint: It isn't you.</P> <P>But who it is, doesn't really even matter.</FONT></P> <P>The point of the post is that all of us (especially myself) needs to learn to "turn the other cheek".  Some situations you can't win, and in the end you emerge in a worse light even if you aren't the one "flaming" per say.</FONT><BR></P>

[bonesbro]

<DIV>That's an interesting perspective, anna.  However, I don't think you were the one they are talking about.  You do appear to be headed down the same route... please try not to be so quick to take the offensive.  I mean, even looking at this post... you are very much flaming people.  Be tranquil.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A healthy debate and exchange of ideas helps create a strong community.  However, arguments and petty flames do <U>not</U>.  Please try to show more respect for the other members.  And if someone replies to you in a disrespectful manner, politely chide them and respond to any valid points you may find.  There have only been a handful of nasty threads in the history of this board, and it's possible to trace each of them back to some initial "he dareth question me?  Eat <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>FLAME</STRONG></FONT>" posts, which were replied to in turn.  You're right, you didn't start the flamewar on the Paladin thread... but you were indeed laying about with the napalm.  That doesn't help, and it works to drive more civil posters away, which helps neither the game, the forum, or the players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, a good flame-filled messageboard can be tremendous fun, but I'd prefer to keep the ghetto away from our dojo.</DIV>

[Mamasee]

<blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<DIV><DIV>I think we all know who we're talking about here don't we?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>The Post of infamy +5 was not was not a statement, flame, or personal attack. It was merely a question - to which I got about two informative replies and about 60 abusive rants. I have been puzzled as to why, for what was an innocuous enough post, I seem to have generated more animus than all the ranters and hate-mongers that infest these boards. And no, I don't deny that my own responses got progressively more hostile as the general level of bile rose. However, there are many more-flagrantly nasty and offensive posts which haven't earned the level of opprobium as my little effort. One can only conclude that some people simply were not able to understand the posts. Perhaps if my grammar, vocabulary and reasoning were as attentuated as my detractors' this whole regrettable incident wouldn't have even happened. Like you, I pay my subscription and I am perfectly entitled call things as I see them. The purpose of any forum surely should not be to shout down or exclude those with whom you disagree. I saw something I thought was anomalous and asked what people thought. Do I wish I'd never bothered to ask? Yes. Oh my God YES! </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Do I think people fearing to post because of abusive responses and social exclusion will help the forums, the game or the players? Not really . Do you?</DIV></DIV><hr></blockquote>Well, you asked a question that was provoctive in nature. You will note that I did not respond. You need to rememember that things being posted on boards of these types get misconstrued, and you are correct that people don't post/read these forums because of the responces they will get. It is too bad in the fact that it stifles the expansion of knowlege. Alto it seems to be worse on the fighter class boards, the scout and mage class do not attract the egomanics.

[Owa]

<DIV>Ok. I shall put this down as a learning experience <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And be VERY careful what I write from now on...</DIV>

[Kwonryu_DragonFi]

It isnt you who we are talking about Anna, but the person we are talking about is in this thread. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[FamilyManFir]

Now, now, no guessing or this <i>will</i> get threadlocked.

[bonesbro]

<blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<DIV>Ok. I shall put this down as a learning experience <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And be VERY careful what I write from now on...</DIV><hr></blockquote>Thank you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Inv]

<DIV align=left>If only the "Ignore User" worked to block their posts we can only dream!   Be nice to clear up the temptations to fight the [FAAR-NERFED!] posts that just bait ya into response war. :smileywink:  Overall I read most anyones opinion and even the ones don't agree with take note of them as posiblities. Think there is only 2 that are totally on the "Don't waste time to read or respond list"  Love to see the Mods add a ignore all posts by user option make the boards  much more enjoyable and informative.  :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>For the above mentioned yes I have logs, Pics, screenies, parsers, cheese bread and a gallon of milk to help prove this! I have tested the "Ignore User" feature. If you would like a 30min video to accept this testing was correct and works the same in your world please email me!  (joke btw) hehehe  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>Haha had to edit. First post with a  "[FAAR-NERFED!]"  word.  I have ever had pop up in my text! LOL wasn't a very offensive word even was shocked that it is blocked. but very funny. lol</DIV><p>Message Edited by Invic on <span class=date_text>02-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:30 AM</span>

[Aetheris]

<DIV>Nice to see in a topic about keeping a positive community atmosphere the 1 star ninja comes back out of retirement to post his say. Anyways, I agree with the original post, however, as Gage stated, sometimes it's easier said than done.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Aetheris</DIV> <DIV>50th Seasoned Monk</DIV> <DIV>Crushbone Server</DIV>

[MoonglumHMV]

<DIV>Well, we also need to remember that there isn't anythng wrong with having different views or even in bringing up something controversial...if everyone had exactly the same opinions and the same experiences in the game this wouldn't be a very good game.  Differences in opinions is what makes for good discussion...but you have to be open to listen to the other sides views and see their arguments.  If you can't do that things will turn into a flame war very quickly with "I'm right, your wrong...what are you doing wrong with your toon..." types of responses.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've seen in a few posts where people have tried to stem the flames and get straight to the point...If one group of people are seeing X happen and another group of people are seeing Y happen, what is the difference?  That's what will lead to a good community that has productive threads...discussion not arguments.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS.  Anna, don't be hesitant to write another controversial post...just know that it will be controversial when you write it and in doing that I think you will watch your words and your tone before you submit it.  The point of your thread (deep down inside the fiery pit that it quickly became) regarding why was the Palidan avoiding more/better than you was valid.  Also, don't be afraid to talk to people in game, also...ask him what his deflection was, how good was his shield, what levels are his arts, etc...I'm sure that most people will gladly talk to others.  If you had a little more information, most of the Palys arguments would have been invalid anyway.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my thoughts, take them as you will <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[FamilyManFir]

I thought I'd mention that I didn't necessarily find the advice that I originally posted <i>easy</i>. Sometimes the temptation to reply to that person is near overwhelming. However, I have, so far, been able to haul myself back; after all, I'd just be encouraging more of the kind of posts I find detestable.FWIW I also don't object to opinions different than mine. Differences of opinion, even passionately argued ones, are part of the zest of life. I've had more than one post where I argued vociferously with someone in-thread, but we worked to keep it civil and usually agreed to disagree.What I object to is regular personal attacks, regular disagreements without discussion and thus apparently without basis, and a complete unwillingness to even consider that the other person may have a point or even be correct. This is what I have seen in the poster I originally wrote about and that is why I simply refuse to pay attention to his/her posts.

[Mamasee]

<blockquote><hr>FamilyManFirst wrote:I thought I'd mention that I didn't necessarily find the advice that I originally posted <i>easy</i>. Sometimes the temptation to reply to that person is near overwhelming. However, I have, so far, been able to haul myself back; after all, I'd just be encouraging more of the kind of posts I find detestable.FWIW I also don't object to opinions different than mine. Differences of opinion, even passionately argued ones, are part of the zest of life. I've had more than one post where I argued vociferously with someone in-thread, but we worked to keep it civil and usually agreed to disagree.What I object to is regular personal attacks, regular disagreements without discussion and thus apparently without basis, and a complete unwillingness to even consider that the other person may have a point or even be correct. This is what I have seen in the poster I originally wrote about and that is why I simply refuse to pay attention to his/her posts.<hr></blockquote>Are you done yet?

[Aftershock]

<DIV>/me walks in....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>huh....? whats going on in here....?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/me walks out....</DIV>

[JuJut]

<DIV>Hang in there FamilyManFirst.</DIV>

[LittleStuart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gage-Mikel wrote:<BR> <P>...The point of the post is that all of us (especially myself) needs to learn to "turn the other cheek"....</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>What good will mooning them do? They won't be able to see it.</FONT></DIV>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mamaseeta wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FamilyManFirst wrote:<BR>I thought I'd mention that I didn't necessarily find the advice that I originally posted <I>easy</I>. Sometimes the temptation to reply to that person is near overwhelming. However, I have, so far, been able to haul myself back; after all, I'd just be encouraging more of the kind of posts I find detestable.<BR><BR>FWIW I also don't object to opinions different than mine. Differences of opinion, even passionately argued ones, are part of the zest of life. I've had more than one post where I argued vociferously with someone in-thread, but we worked to keep it civil and usually agreed to disagree.<BR><BR>What I object to is regular personal attacks, regular disagreements without discussion and thus apparently without basis, and a complete unwillingness to even consider that the other person may have a point or even be correct. This is what I have seen in the poster I originally wrote about and that is why I simply refuse to pay attention to his/her posts.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Are you done yet?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Feeling self conscious?</P> <P>I agree FMF, I have NO problems with people with differing opinions and I love being proved wrong.  Its the attitude of the posts I get irritated with, especially when one party demands something they are never respectful enough to provide.</FONT><BR></P>

[Drevva]

I don't post often but have been reading the monk boards of late for help with my new aspiring monk <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.After reading a few threads on the boards I am fairly confident I know who "it" is <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Also many thanks everyone for your helpful advice and thoughts on the monk class, While I see there are some issues it is nice to knwo that many are having fun with the class, and isn't that what it is all about *grins*Drevva