Monk Dps compared to group assasin

[Rossio]

<DIV>Attack | Start | End | Duration | Damage | Damage% | DPS| Hits | Misses  | Hit% | Min | Max | Average</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>MONK           <BR>slash                       11:13:31 11:14:21 00:00:50 1396 33.57 27.92 44 10  81.48 49 18 31.73<BR>Winter's Talon        11:13:36 11:14:07 00:00:31  576 13.85 18.58 2 0 100.00 288 288 288.00<BR>Plodding Tortoise   11:13:38 11:14:13 00:00:35  208 5.00 5.94 2 0 100.00 114 94 104.00<BR>Rushing Bear         11:13:40 11:14:19 00:00:39  53 1.27 1.36 2 0 100.00 30 23 26.50<BR>Swooping Dragon  11:13:41 11:14:21 00:00:40  686 16.49 17.15 8 0 100.00 223 40 85.75<BR>Swooping Hawk     11:13:43 11:14:11 00:00:28  403 9.69 14.39 3 0 100.00 141 128 134.33<BR>Stumbling Boar      11:13:44 11:13:44 00:00:01 166 3.99 166.00 1 0 100 .00 166 166 166.00<BR>Darting Sparrow     11:13:46 11:13:46 00:00:01 288 6.92 288.00 5 0 100 .00 81 19 57.60<BR>Pouncing Tiger       11:13:48 11:14:00 00:00:12 145 3.49 12.08 2 0 100. 00 80 65 72.50<BR>Striking Cobra         11:13:51 11:13:51 00:00:01 106 2.55 106.00 1 0 100 .00 106 106 106.00<BR>Biting Mantis           11:13:54 11:13:54 00:00:01 132 3.17 132.00 1 0 100 .00 132 132 132.00<BR>Total AVG DPS:    00:00:51 4159  <FONT color=#ff0033>81.55 </FONT>     <BR>            <BR>a tainted maiden            <BR>crush                      11:13:43 11:14:15 00:00:32 662 100.00 20.69 4 5 44 .44 242 0 165.50<BR>Total AVG DPS    00:00:52 662  <FONT color=#ff0033>12.73 </FONT>     <BR>            <BR>GUARDIAN            <BR>crush                      11:13:33 11:14:19 00:00:46 900 38.07 19.57 19 9 67 .86 64 23 47.37<BR>Ruin                        11:13:33 11:14:22 00:00:49 519 21.95 10.59 7 0 100 .00 133 16 74.14<BR>Invade                     11:13:36 11:13:36 00:00:01 109 4.61 109.00 1 0 10 0.00 109 109 109.00<BR>Slam                       11:13:39 11:13:39 00:00:01 156 6.60 156.00 1 0 10 0.00 156 156 156.00<BR>Crush                      11:13:41 11:13:41 00:00:01 0 0.00 0.00 0 1 0.00 0  0 0.00<BR>Maim                       11:13:43 11:14:18 00:00:35 596 25.21 17.03 8 0 100 .00 98 37 74.50<BR>Taunting Challenge 11:13:44 11:13:44 00:00:01 35 1.48 35.00  1 0 100.00 35 35 35.00<BR>Umbral Drain           11:13:49 11:14:12 00:00:23 49 2.07 2.13 1 1 50.00  49 49 49.00<BR>Total AVG DPS    00:00:50 2364  <FONT color=#ff0033>47.28 </FONT>     <BR>            <BR>CLERIC           <BR>crush                        11:13:34 11:14:21 00:00:47 377 37.59 8.02 21 5 80 .77 24 9 17.95<BR>Fuliginous Sphere    11:13:51 11:14:07 00:00:16 358 35.69 22.38 5 0 100 .00 77 68 71.60<BR>Suppuration              11:13:53 11:14:09 00:00:16 187 18.64 11.69 5 0 10 0.00 43 36 37.40<BR>Face of Horror           11:14:05 11:14:05 00:00:01 0 0.00 0.00 0 1 0.00 0  0 0.00<BR>Blessed Weapon      11:14:18 11:14:18 00:00:01 81 8.08 81.00 1 0 100. 00 81 81 81.00<BR>Vehemence               11:14:21 11:14:21 00:00:01 0 0.00 0.00 0 1 0.00 0  0 0.00<BR>Total AVG DPS    00:00:48 1003  <FONT color=#ff0033>20.90 </FONT>     <BR>            <BR>ASSASIN           <BR>piercing                    11:13:55 11:14:19 00:00:24 481 13.52 20.04 26 0 10 0.00 30 10 18.50<BR>pierce                       11:13:56 11:14:19 00:00:23 0 0.00 0.00 0 5 0.00 0  0 0.00<BR>Murderous Blade      11:13:35 11:14:11 00:00:36 394 11.07 10.94 2 0 100 .00 207 187 197.00<BR>Sneak Attack            11:13:38 11:14:17 00:00:39 292 8.20 7.49 4 0 100.0 0 76 66 73.00<BR>Cut                           11:13:40 11:14:19 00:00:39 491 13.80 12.59 11 0 10 0.00 98 19 44.64<BR>Insidious Cut            11:13:42 11:14:04 00:00:22 258 7.25 11.73 2 0 100. 00 143 115 129.00<BR>Exposed Attack       11:13:44 11:14:21 00:00:37 741 20.82 20.03 4 0 100 .00 209 149 185.25<BR>Ebon Blade             11:13:45 11:13:45 00:00:01 521 14.64 521.00 1 0 10 0.00 521 521 521.00<BR>Agonizing Wound   11:13:49 11:14:00 00:00:11 189 5.31 17.18 5 0 100. 00 55 30 37.80<BR>poison                    11:13:55 11:14:00 00:00:05 0 0.00 0.00 0 2 0.00 0  0 0.00<BR>Slice Throat           11:14:00 11:14:00 00:00:01 172 4.83 172.00 1 0 100 .00 172 172 172.00<BR>Swipe                    11:14:16 11:14:16 00:00:01 20 0.56 20.00 1 0 100.0 0 20 20 20.00<BR>Total AVG DPS    00:00:47 3559  <FONT color=#ff3333>75.72 </FONT>     <BR>            <BR>ENCHANTER            <BR>Melancholy                  11:13:38 11:14:20 00:00:42 620 100.00 14.76 9 0 1 00.00 74 62 68.89<BR>Consuming Thoughts 11:13:46 11:13:46 00:00:01 0 0.00 0.00 0  1 0.00 0 0 0.00<BR>Total AVG DPS   00:00:43 620  <FONT color=#ff3300>14.42   </FONT>   </DIV>

[Velor]

<DIV>Nice to know but it appears that your data is based off of 1 fight, and that clearly isn't large enough to determine any significant results. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Run your parser for an extended period of time and it might start to mean something.</DIV>

[Jezekie]

Don't know what skills the Assassin has at Adepts/app3 either, or the monk in the test for that matter.And 1 fight is far to little to base any desisions on.

[Cora]

<DIV>The last 6 groups I've been in, I parse highest dps. Still haven't grouped with an assassin, though.</DIV>

[Blaze]

I have found that with scout types poison makes a huge difference. If a scout is using 2 good poisons for his level it will add 20-30 DPS. I almost always outdamage scouts when they dont use poison. You also have to remember that scouts have alot more utility then monks. Evac alone is one of the best skils in the game.

[Cora]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blaze79 wrote:<BR>I have found that with scout types poison makes a huge difference. If a scout is using 2 good poisons for his level it will add 20-30 DPS. I almost always outdamage scouts when they dont use poison. <BR><BR>You also have to remember that scouts have alot more utility then monks. Evac alone is one of the best skils in the game.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Because we can't drag corpses...........................

[DrrakoXhaoXi]

<DIV>No matter what class is in the group I always get agro in middle of the fight. /shrug I don't know if its cuz of dmg or because they dont like me ha ha</DIV>

[Cyngii]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blaze79 wrote:<BR>I have found that with scout types poison makes a huge difference. If a scout is using 2 good poisons for his level it will add 20-30 DPS. I almost always outdamage scouts when they dont use poison. <BR><BR>You also have to remember that scouts have alot more utility then monks. Evac alone is one of the best skils in the game.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> But scouts are being taken over monks for DPS slots!  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It was only a few weeks ago that the discussion of how monks were a utility class ruled the boards here, how we were neither tanks nor DPS but utility... blah, blah, blah.  Well low and behold not only can we tank, but put us behind a mob and we are on par with if not outdamage scouts when they don't use poisons!  With the last 2 groups i've been in, as a [Removed for Content] equipped 22 monk I was outdamaging a 24 ranger and 22 assassin, and on par with a 24 swashbuckler.  You never know how hard the people were pushing it, but it was interesting that there wasn't a huge difference between any of us.  The big difference is between guardian and monk dps... huge...

[SuperBob2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> </P> <P>Cyngii wrote:</P> <P><BR> </P> But scouts are being taken over monks for DPS slots!  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It was only a few weeks ago that the discussion of how monks were a utility class ruled the boards here, how we were neither tanks nor DPS but utility... blah, blah, blah.  Well low and behold not only can we tank, but put us behind a mob and we are on par with if not outdamage scouts when they don't use poisons!  With the last 2 groups i've been in, as a [Removed for Content] equipped 22 monk I was outdamaging a 24 ranger and 22 assassin, and on par with a 24 swashbuckler.  You never know how hard the people were pushing it, but it was interesting that there wasn't a huge difference between any of us.  The big difference is between guardian and monk dps... huge...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Shhh, keep talking like that and you're going to get us nerfed! What are you thinking!</P> <P></FONT> </P> <P>jk</FONT></P> <P><BR></P>

[Ralumen]

<DIV> <HR> But scouts are being taken over monks for DPS slots!  <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0>  It was only a few weeks ago that the discussion of how monks were a utility class ruled the boards here, how we were neither tanks nor DPS but utility... blah, blah, blah.  Well low and behold not only can we tank, but put us behind a mob and we are on par with if not outdamage scouts when they don't use poisons!  With the last 2 groups i've been in, as a [Removed for Content] equipped 22 monk I was outdamaging a 24 ranger and 22 assassin, and on par with a 24 swashbuckler.  You never know how hard the people were pushing it, but it was interesting that there wasn't a huge difference between any of us.  The big difference is between guardian and monk dps... huge...</DIV> <DIV> <HR>  well a good scout will always outdamage any fighter.  Now you might say im biased but i have a 22 monk and 24 swashi. Well i am amazed with my monk and his damage. But if I know what i am doing on my swashi i will outdamage him with ease. Monk abilities have some great damage but to long on the recasts ie bruising strike and rapid swings (kicks are nice) Now if a monk was pushing it he can give a lower leveld scout about 2+ levels lower a run for his money. But the monk will be oom and cant tank <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  On a average hit by hit bases monk/scout is close. Poison is WOW lol mine normaly hits for 60-73 on the first hit then 13. Then in 1.2 secs it can go again. Abilities well a swashbuckler has several high damage abilites with short recasts so over a medium + duration fight i will do a lot more damage than my monk. </DIV> <DIV>  Monks are great they can tank and do some great damage. But if they can outdamage a scout well then whats a scout to do ... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[io]

<blockquote><hr>Ralumenta wrote:<DIV><HR></DIV><DIV> Monks are great they can tank and do some great damage. But if they can outdamage a scout well then whats a scout to do ... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><hr></blockquote>I always want a Scout +25 in my group for escape, a DPS plus is fine but an escape is a must be.

[Ala]

<DIV>I'm running a parser program too but for now gave up on trying to compare stats with other classes.  There are SO many variables you have to consider including levels, the mob itself, adepts and even the order in which you use your combat arts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's a very sophisticated game with more variables than I had imagined.  I generally use parsers to review my own performance compared to others <FONT color=#ffff00>to ensure I'm being the best Monk that I can versus class comparisons</FONT>.  For example, I was goruped with a Monk 2 levels below me and statistically speaking, his DPS was 5 points better than mine... so I quickly went shopping for a better weapon!  </DIV>

[Arali]

According to Moongrard, Monks are the highest DPS class in the game..

[Pheihong]

<DIV>dun dun dun.. here comes the nerf.. *kills himself*  gah go play a popular class like sk or something.. now those guys are uber uber dmg!!! monk sucks! we can't tank! we can't dps! we can do is fail fd and die! go away!!!</DIV>

[GangsterFi]

I have been parsing myself and others in cazic thule all this last week. I averaged up to 180 dps in CT, compared to the swash in my guild who was getting around 150 dps. However, I will state that I was in DPS mode and was not tanking and was spamming combat arts when i got this really high dps rate. When I tank in CT, I put up a defensive stance and concetrate more on keeping aggro and not doing dps.

[Varg_MM]

I'm not a big fan of parsed dps in eq2, too erratic due to weaponskills and their timers. Not to mention the different weapon and skill qualities. Factor in the variables for level changes and buffs/debuffs from various skills and it's just a complete mess.With that in mind, for DPS comparison I usually just have my and the other person split targets, and see which dies first.Ranger smokes me consistantly. Troubador comes close, but a little slower. Haven't grouped with any other scouts. Real DPS are casters, anyhow.

[WackyDakky]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Varg_MM wrote:<BR><BR>Real DPS are casters, anyhow.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I must be grouping with some lazy wizards then, because I consistantly outdamage them in any group I join.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've only found one person so far who consistantly outdamages me, and he's a bruiser.  A troll assassin was close, and beat me in a few fights, but consistantly I was doing 10+ DPS more than him.  Swashi's dont even come close to my damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But like others have said, you can't really measure it because you have to factor in skills, weapons and ability levels.  I can SAY that I outdamage those classes, but it could just be that they just aren't trying very hard.</DIV>

[Varg_MM]

Your wizard needs to be fired then. In most fights, our wizard deals about 60%+ of the total party damage. When he logs for the night our kill speed is doubled. Sucks.

[Sysiphus7]

<DIV>What type of tool are you using to report DPS.... I would love to use this to debunk some myths about monks in my guild. Do you have a URL to this tool?</DIV>

[Tylis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Araliss wrote:<BR>According to Moongrard, Monks are the highest DPS class in the game..<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I had to address this.  What was actually said was:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>It should also be noted that bruisers and monks have the highest overall damage output of all the fighters. Not only is their base melee damage higher, they also have the most potent combination of arts.<BR></EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can read this interview here: <A href="http://www.brawlers-pit.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=2" target=_blank>http://www.brawlers-pit.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=2</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In another post he said this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Monks/Bruisers do have a defined role in our game: they are tanks. Their method of tanking is based on avoidance and deflection rather than mitigation. They do more damage overall (both through base damage and arts) than other fighters. They are not intended to compete with scouts, though, nor do scouts compete with them as tanks.</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>I have a 40 Ranger and just started a 19 Brawler.  I'm enjoying my brawler more than I did my ranger, but I parse numbers all day, and I have to say that my 40 Ranger has not been below 100 dps in a couple of levels.  And I get outdamaged by assasins all the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just wanted to clear that up.<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT><p>Message Edited by Tylis on <span class=date_text>01-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:59 AM</span>

[Rossio]

<DIV>Ive been saying it from the beginning when I was noticing the monk out powering other classes, Tonight we was parsing</DIV> <DIV>all through Everfrost, 2 monks one 43 and one 44, We was both averaging 120-150 Dps on mobs lvl 48-49 ^^ up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We took out Alangria, and some giant Freeze somthing? with 1 group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2 monks= Deadly and unstoppable, with a cleric and bard of course <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best parser IMO is at:</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://members.cox.net/combatstats" target=_blank>Http://members.cox.net/combatstats</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good friend of mine Aden has created this wonderful parser for us.</DIV>