Losing Break Through

[psubull]

<DIV>Neener Neener, it's mine soon, <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Kwonryu_DragonFi]

<DIV>Aye, as it should be! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We should never had been able to use it, but it was fun while it lasted! It's a great skill! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Back to Plodding Tortoise! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Blaze]

So we just gonna lose the skill? I wasted alot of Gold for the breakthrough adept1,

[Jezekie]

<blockquote><hr>Blaze79 wrote:So we just gonna lose the skill? I wasted alot of Gold for the breakthrough adept1,<hr></blockquote>Most likly. It was a fairly well known issue though. You should have been aware that something was amiss with the skills between the two classes.

[DrrakoXhaoXi]

<DIV>What did Break Through do even?</DIV>

[TheWildA]

<DIV>a kick that grants extra damage for a short time when it hits, i never noticed any improved damage tho. could really care less if we lost it. i like the small shockwave from plodding tortoise hehe</DIV>

[Zerik]

<DIV>So, why are we losing it again? guess I dont quite understand.</DIV>

[Zana]

<blockquote><hr>Zerik69 wrote:<DIV>So, why are we losing it again? guess I dont quite understand.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Basically, they put it under Tranquility for Monks as a mistake, it's supposed to be a Bruiser(Physicallity) skill. Also, for those saying we're loosing a great skill.. we already get a kick like that earlier on in Monkhood--Swooping Dragon. Also, our Level 25 move is great as it is. Not only does it do a good deal of damage, but it can be used when stunned/stifled, which is pretty nice when we're tanking (which we'll be doing even better after this big patch!).

[Varg_MM]

The plodding tort is a pretty bad replacement for breakthrough.Very sad I am. Wonder if I can petition to get my master I book back.Edit: Swooping Dragon (an excellent skill) isn't in the same line as breakthrough, and actually is as completely unrelated to breakthrough as two kicks can be. Swooping being high damage + Dot, Breakthrough being medium damage +atk boost.<p>Message Edited by Varg_MM on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:37 PM</span>

[Zana]

<blockquote><hr>Varg_MM wrote:The plodding tort is a pretty bad replacement for breakthrough.Very sad I am. Wonder if I can petition to get my master I book back.Edit: Swooping Dragon (an excellent skill) isn't in the same line as breakthrough, and actually is as completely unrelated to breakthrough as two kicks can be. Swooping being high damage + Dot, Breakthrough being medium damage +atk boost.<p>Message Edited by Varg_MM on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:37 PM</span><hr></blockquote>Ah, ok. I misunderstood what Break Through does then.. thanks for the clarification. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />This may be a pain in the short-term, but in the long run things really even out.

[RadricTyc]

<DIV>I will definitely miss Adept 1 Break Through.  Basically I used to chain: Break Through; Swooping Dragon; Rapid Swings; Bruising Strike; Flying kick all before the attack modifier wore off.  It added about 10% more damage to my attacks.  Which is significant when you factor in 4 extra attacks with that modifier.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plodding Tortoise basically does the same damage as Break Through without the extra 10% damage buff.  I will miss it, but it's okay, I feel bad for my Bruiser brethren, they deserve something other than Rescue at level 25.</DIV>

[Jezekie]

Just to clarify to those that are wondering why this is happening.Basically, monks have 3 upgrades at 25, two that shares the same timer, Break Through and Plodding Tortoise (because they are both upgrades to thrust kick), and the 3rd skill is Rescue.Bruisers just got the Rescue skill and no upgrade for Thrust Kick. The issue is then that one of the skills monk has is the missing bruiser skill, and which in this case is Break Through.

[Cora]

<DIV>Both suck anyways, not losing any sleep over this.</DIV>

[Varg_MM]

Not quite sure how adding an extra 35-40 damage from Wintry Talon alone can be called a 'suck' kick. =PNever really paid as much attention to the other kicks, only paid attention to Talon because I'd single hit hard enough with it to annoy the scouts.I will most definately miss breakthrough.

[Xanrn]

<DIV>Yeah I want my 59 silver back.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also how are you ment to know its a bruiser skill? Not all Monk arts have funky names. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I was ment to know it was a bug skill and that it should have been bruiser instead of thinking it was a bugged Monk skill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yeah when you actually see it action its comes to mind, cause its a not a martial arts kick. But by then its to late cause you have payed and scribed it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plodding Tortoise is a pile of crap, ooh a medium attack I can do while stunned. Yeah but the stun wears off before the art has even finished.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Breakthrough is a damm fine skill, it allows me to hit reds like they are yellows when it lands.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I demand either my money or Adept I for Plodding Tortoise or at the very least Breakthrough Adept I back in my inventory.</DIV>

[Jezekie]

<blockquote><hr>Xanrn wrote:<DIV>Yeah I want my 59 silver back.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Also how are you ment to know its a bruiser skill? Not all Monk arts have funky names. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>So I was ment to know it was a bug skill and that it should have been bruiser instead of thinking it was a bugged Monk skill.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Yeah when you actually see it action its comes to mind, cause its a not a martial arts kick. But by then its to late cause you have payed and scribed it.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Plodding Tortoise is a pile of crap, ooh a medium attack I can do while stunned. Yeah but the stun wears off before the art has even finished.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Breakthrough is a damm fine skill, it allows me to hit reds like they are yellows when it lands.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I demand either my money or Adept I for Plodding Tortoise or at the very least Breakthrough Adept I back in my inventory.</DIV><hr></blockquote>The fact that you don't get it automatically should have been the most obivious hint.

[Xanrn]

<DIV>Yeah well its a Bug that Brawlers don't automaticaly get it. Duh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How the hell was I ment to know it was a Bruiser bug not a Monk bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is Sony + Everquest = about as many bugs as stupid stats on class specific armours.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I was ment to think, oh look a skill I didn't get automatically most be a bruisers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Instead of.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh looks its a Skill I didn't get automatically most be mine and bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yeah cause there is SUCH a difference between the two, its massive its a gulf as large as a puddle of ant spit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[RadricTyc]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xanrn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yeah well its a Bug that Brawlers don't automaticaly get it. Duh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How the hell was I ment to know it was a Bruiser bug not a Monk bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is Sony + Everquest = about as many bugs as stupid stats on class specific armours.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I was ment to think, oh look a skill I didn't get automatically most be a bruisers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Instead of.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh looks its a Skill I didn't get automatically most be mine and bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yeah cause there is SUCH a difference between the two, its massive its a gulf as large as a puddle of ant spit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <P>I agree.  There are all kinds of books, guides, and such that show Break Through as a Monk skill.  Once I reached level 25 I went through the broker looking for skill upgrades.  As usual I put in:</P> <P>Minimum: gray, Maximum: orange, type: spell scroll [search]</P> <P>Low and behold an adept 1 Break Through was listed for 89 silver.  I started wondering what the heck happened?  Did I crash and not get it?  Does the game give it to me later but for some reason let me scribe it now? Maybe it's a skill it lets me buy or make, but doesn't award to me (like the kata)?</P> <P>So I looked through the Prima (R) OFFICAL GAME GUIDE for EVERQUEST II, and there it was listed under the Monk combat arts.  I bought it on the spot.  Heck it's not like SOE lists what each class gets for skills, is it?  Once I started using it, I loved it.  </P> <P>Was I wrong for buying it?  Is it my fault that there was a bug and I should eat 89 silver?  What would be the harm of giving everyone who bought a Break Through book/potion, the upgrade item back in their inventory?  Either way, I will be sad to lose the skill and the 89 silver, but the other good changes coming for Monk make me care less about that loss.</P>

[RadricTyc]

<DIV>Oh, by the way Jezekiel, I remember seeing Break Through in your list too.  You know, the 1-50 combat arts post you made here.  Mysteriously Break Through is not there any more and you just happened to edit the message today.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love that post man, but you cant make a post like that and turn around and tell everyone that they should eat the cost of the scroll they bought to get the skill too.  That's not being very honest.  Sure you are happy to get your skill back, but to reprimand a person, even mildly, for buying a skill that you claimed that they got is not cool.</DIV>

[Xanrn]

<DIV>Yeah that was one of the main reasons I bought it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inclusion in that Combat Arts 1-50 list.</DIV>

[LittleStuart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xanrn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yeah I want my 59 silver back.</DIV> <DIV>Also how are you ment to know its a bruiser skill? Not all Monk arts have funky names. </DIV> <DIV>So I was ment to know it was a bug skill and that it should have been bruiser instead of thinking it was a bugged Monk skill.</DIV> <DIV>Yeah when you actually see it action its comes to mind, cause its a not a martial arts kick. But by then its to late cause you have payed and scribed it.</DIV> <DIV>Plodding Tortoise is a pile of crap, ooh a medium attack I can do while stunned. Yeah but the stun wears off before the art has even finished.</DIV> <DIV>Breakthrough is a damm fine skill, it allows me to hit reds like they are yellows when it lands.</DIV> <DIV>I demand either my money or Adept I for Plodding Tortoise or at the very least Breakthrough Adept I back in my inventory.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>The fact that you don't get it automatically should have been the most obivious hint.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You don't get Silent Fist Kata automatically, either.<BR>

[Tully]

<DIV>Nor do you automatically get Rescue.  There goes that argument.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I read that Break Through was the missing level 25 skill for Bruisers so I did not buy a copy, but it sucks if they stiff all the monks that already bought it  - especially with no warning from them.  It might be different is there was some indication that monks would not be able to keep that skill, but thats nots the case.</DIV>

[Cora]

<DIV>thanks 1 * you made my day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>............ and I got rescue automatically...</DIV><p>Message Edited by Coraz2 on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:25 AM</span>

[Kwonryu_DragonFi]

<DIV>The error made from beginning was that Tranquility(Monk) skill was used on Break through, when it instead should have been Physicality(Bruisers) from the beginning.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They shinies the monks spent on upgrading Break Through will be easily regained while adventuring eventually! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I knew something was wrong from the start, when we Monks were able to get Rescue, Plodding Tortoise and BreakThrough at 25 while the Bruisers just got rescue.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BreakThrough is a good skill that suits the Bruisers well and i am glad that they are getting it back! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now i will be looking forward upgrading Plodding Tortoise to Master instead! Turtle power! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jezekie]

<blockquote><hr>RadricTycho wrote:<DIV>Oh, by the way Jezekiel, I remember seeing Break Through in your list too. You know, the 1-50 combat arts post you made here. Mysteriously Break Through is not there any more and you just happened to edit the message today. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I love that post man, but you cant make a post like that and turn around and tell everyone that they should eat the cost of the scroll they bought to get the skill too. That's not being very honest. Sure you are happy to get your skill back, but to reprimand a person, even mildly, for buying a skill that you claimed that they got is not cool.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Yes I did edit both the bruiser and monk posts yesterday to avoid further confusion. The lists were based on skills avaliable on the merchants at the end of beta, they were there to serve as a guide. I just figured, that if you read both the monk and bruiser forums, you'd notice something wasn't right with the lvl 25 skills, but in the end, the loss of coins is easily gotten back in less then a day for those 25+ that are losing/gaining the skill.

[Jezekie]

<blockquote><hr>Tully14 wrote:<DIV>Nor do you automatically get Rescue. There goes that argument. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I read that Break Through was the missing level 25 skill for Bruisers so I did not buy a copy, but it sucks if they stiff all the monks that already bought it - especially with no warning from them. It might be different is there was some indication that monks would not be able to keep that skill, but thats nots the case.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Monks/Bruisers do automatically get Rescue, and monks do automatically get their lvl 25 skill which they are supposed to get. What they don't get is Break Through.LittleStuart - Kata is a fluff skill, no class recives their fluff skills automatically. It's not related to actually gaining your combat arts.<blockquote><hr>RadricTycho wrote:<DIV>"So I looked through the Prima (R) OFFICAL GAME GUIDE for EVERQUEST II"</DIV><hr></blockquote>The prima guides are known to be prone to errors, falsh information, as well as being outdated as they are based on information pre-release and during beta, just saying that as a heas up to any future information you may find in their guides. It might be "official", but sony doesn't make it them selfs, it's anothe company.Anyway, yes it sucks to lose 50ish silver, but in the end it's really not that big a deal in my opinion to start demanding compensation.<p>Message Edited by Jezekiell on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:26 PM</span><p>Message Edited by Jezekiell on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:28 PM</span>

[LittleStuart]

<DIV>Whether other  classes get their fluff skills or not is beside the point. Your statement was that because monks did not automatically recieve Break Through they should have realized they were not suppose to have it. By the time you are 25 there is already one skill that you did not recieve automatically, so why wouldn't there be more? <P>And just for the record, I am not really whining about losing Break Through. I had it slotted instead of PT but after finding out that we were losing it and weren't suppose to have it I slotted in PT instead. It's no big deal, just a minor annoyance, really. All I'm really doing is pointing out that there is a flaw in your arguement that 'Since you didn't get it automatically you should have know something was up'.</P></DIV><p>Message Edited by LittleStuart on <span class=date_text>12-20-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:28 AM</span>

[RadricTyc]

<DIV>There should be a limit to the number of star ratings you can give out per day. :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> Actually, even better would be a non-anonymous rating system.</DIV>