Feign death

[snogg]

OK. We get no message as to when it fails, and some people report that it'll break the encounter as well when succesful.My question is, why then, do we even get this?I have played a monk since the release of kunark (eq1) and to my knowledge, it was supposed to be used in group combat to drop/transfer aggro to the tank. This is fine, I have no quarrel with it, but, if it does in fact brake the encounter, then what is its purpose? I, myself, have never actually broken an encounter with an FD, so maybe I am failing every time (FD adept 1 lvl 21 monk)(which would prolly explain all my FD deaths) or breaking the encounter is a myth.I would prefer "old school" FD rules personally, but if we never get a fail message, please please do not let FD brake the encounter (if this is in fact true). After all, they have given us taunt, there should be away to drop/transfer aggro back to the MT once the situation is under control without killing the encounter.As it stands now, FD is basically worthless.

[buggz620]

I was the one that said it would brk an encounter. As of yesterday when i was soloing it would infact break it. This is how i know this. I would go whack a Giant Kodiak start running from it and turn around so i could see him. When i would have a good FD the bear would stop in his tracks and i would get a message that would say something as too you will no longer recieve xp or loot from A Giant Kodiak. When i would fail i would not get this message and he would just keep mauling me. Tried this many many times and it always held true. Now my real question is if you are in a group and have a good FD will this brk the encounter for the whole grp or just for the monk. I have not had a chance to test this out yet. If it does indeed brk the encounter for all. Then i would say its only use is if you know that there is about to be a grp wipe you could FD and have a man still alive to rez the cleric.

[DautThunderbritch]

<DIV>I used FD several times last night while in a group and it worked like a charm.  We still got XP from the kills and life was good.</DIV>

[stfields]

<DIV>This is what I have seen from my experience with FD:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The times I have seen it break an encounter was when I told the group to run off, while I sprinted the other direction.  When my power was low, I stopped and FDed.  I then got the "Encounter has been broken" message.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, did it break because the mob had "forgotten" about the other group members?  Or did it break just because I FDed successfully?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm leaning towards the first option.  I believe that if I FD in an encounter with group members still fighting, the encounter won't break.  But... you  never know for sure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for when it succeeds?  The lower the con, the higher the chance of being successful.  I think you have to engage FD between hits to make it work more often.  That is just a guess to be honest.  If I'm running around Antonica and something yellow aggros, I sprint ahead a bit, come to a dead stop and FD.  This seems to work almost all the time.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The more mobs you have to FD against, the lower the chance of it working.  That I'm pretty sure of.  I tested this out on a group of 6 green cons.  It was harder to FD against those successfully vs 3 evens.  </DIV>

[Sant]

<DIV>Feign Death works well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> First of all it only breaks the encounter if everyone in the group breaks the encounter, meaning if they all run far enough away while your feigned, secondly Its true there is no failed message but I can ussually tell really fast when it didnt work becuase the mobs keep hitting me and I know it worked when they dont. I have used it to already to Feign hope through dungeons, it has saved my life while traveling around Norath and it has kept the group from having to revive becuase the cleric or druid just gives me a shard or feather and i can rez then so that they can rez the group. I dont see it as all that different then FD in EQ2 since i can use it to pull, travel, drop aggro,  and for saving my butt.</DIV>

[snogg]

<blockquote>I think you have to engage FD between hits to make it work more often</blockquote>Maybe this is the key... kinda. In EQ1 it was a known [Removed for Content] to macro your hotkey:attack offdoability # (FD)Maybe this has carried over into EQ2 - I will have to try this when i get home.I do know yesterday, an encounter went sour, I had FD'd and 3 of the four mobs went running after my group mates, about 3 seconds later, I got hit by the fourth, and the other 3 came running back for me. No casters in the group.I am beginning to believe that you cannot fool the group of mobs like in EQ1, hence the no fail message. It makes sense. In eq1 if you FD'd successfully, the train you had behind you thinks your dead. All of them. I am willing to bet it no longer works this way, but on an individual per-mob basis. So, if your running to zone with 22 creatures chasing you, and you FD, the odds are, a handful of them will not be fooled. Instead of doing a single "FD check" per group, maybe it's done per mob "IN THE ENCOUNTER" - makes sense?

[stfields]

<DIV>I agree with Snogg.  The more mobs you have to FD from, the higher chance of failure.  But I do think that there is a check per encounter group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let's say you got one group of 5 mobs and another group of 4 mobs on you.  You FD...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You fool 4/5 in Group 1 and 3/4 in Group 2.  Result?  Horrible horrible death for you.  One in each group noticed you weren't dead and tells his buddies to come on over.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But if you fool 4/5 in Group 1 and 4/4 in Group 2... you just broke away from one group.  Now you have to hope that you can stand up and run a few more feet to get away from Group 2 and re-FD.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit: Someone posted this in another section</DIV> <DIV>Fiegn Death - Pretend to be dead. useful if the fight is going badly (note: if you have a spell that uses concentration running (eg intervene) the spell cancels and you concentration bar empties <STRONG>when this skill is successful </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>I'll check this out later.  I vaguely do remember FDing and still having Intervene up a few times (meaning failures).  That could be the proof we need.</DIV><p>Message Edited by stfields on <span class=date_text>11-23-2004</span> <span class=time_text>11:10 AM</span>

[Velor]

The way to tell if FD succeeded is simple.Monks always have a stance up, such as Brawler's Stance or Thundering Fists. If your FD icon overwrites the icon for your stance in your buffs window, then that means the feign was successful. On the other hand, if the FD icon does not overwrite your stance icon but simply adds itself to your buffs window, then it was not successful.Basically, keep an eye on your stance icon when using FD. If the icon is replaced, you're fine. If not, you better get up asap.And if you aren't using stances at all, then FD is the least of your worries. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[DPGri]

<DIV>ive used FD succesfully with up to 3 mobs on me ( while soloing ). I was lucky enough to get an adept1 the other day and sinse then it has worked both times i needed it.</DIV>

[Denset]

<DIV>My experience with FD is the following:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>****IT MUST BE DONE ON AN ENCOUNTER-BY-ENCOUNTER BASIS****</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry, this is important.  From what I've experienced, whether or not FD works is all-or-nothing versus an entire encounter.  I've never FDd from an encounter of, say, 6 mobs, and had only one keep hitting on me.  If they were linked as the same encounter, they either kept thrashing me, or all stopped at once.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This means it can be really easy to feign off a bunch of mobs.  The problems begins when you try to fegin off multiple encounters.  This could be two linked groups, or two single solo mobs.  Each one is a seperate encounter.  When you FD, you may be successful against one encounter, and not another.  I've never had this problem cause the encounter FD was successful against to restart the Monk-bashing, though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another thing I have noticed, aside from a successful FD debuffing you of any abilities that require concentration, is that you cannot FD to safely go AFK.  If you FD, and THEN an aggro encounter walks near enough to aggro you, it will, whether or not your FD was a "success" or not.  If you're in a dungeon and you FD from a mob you rounded a corner and ran into, and are waiting for it to walk away, and another one wanders over, you're screwed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As has been said before, when FD is successful, it breaks an encounter if you are the only player left on the mob's hate list within your group(even if it's only you).  If you FD while group members are still on the list, it only removes you from it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What hasn't been mentioned, is that FD not only breaks encounters, it resets them.  You can test this out yourself.  Go up to an encounter of several linked mobs.  Kill a few of them, and then FD.  The entire encounter will reset, respawning any you kill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My advice, after all of this, is to get Adept 1 Feign Death ASAP.  The difference in successes over failures is fat too great to pass up, and it's quite a while until Play Dead.</DIV>

[Kota]

<DIV>this is true.  you FD one encounter at a time, and if you're playin dead, and another mob paths along, the mob may or may not buy into your FD.  i try to go 3rd person when i'm about to fd, and look behind me to see if they still chasin me when i hit fd.  being at a dead spring doesn't seem to affect how often it works.  </DIV>

[Lebr]

<DIV>Ive Fd and had mobs hit me still but i thought i would just sty down see wht happens and 9 outta10 times the mobs hit me while Fd but f i didnt jump up they walked away. So if you FD and mob hits you dont just jump right up wait a few secs.</DIV>

[Cora]

<blockquote><hr>Velorek wrote:The way to tell if FD succeeded is simple.Monks always have a stance up, such as Brawler's Stance or Thundering Fists. If your FD icon overwrites the icon for your stance in your buffs window, then that means the feign was successful. On the other hand, if the FD icon does not overwrite your stance icon but simply adds itself to your buffs window, then it was not successful.Basically, keep an eye on your stance icon when using FD. If the icon is replaced, you're fine. If not, you better get up asap.And if you aren't using stances at all, then FD is the least of your worries. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>This is NOT true. 3 seconds ago I just FDed, it replaced thundering strikes, and mob kept hitting me. So there :/<p>Message Edited by Coraz2 on <span class=date_text>11-26-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:59 PM</span>

[Lebr]

<DIV>They will hit you if successful somtimes but if you dont freak and jump up they will stop. Ive done it alot now in StormHold with multi mobs you gotta just lay there for couple secs even if they hit you. I dont know if this was meant to be like that but all i know is i stay down they hit couple times and think im dead and walk away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh yeh so there. p</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lebru1 on <span class=date_text>11-26-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:27 PM</span>

[Godha]

I see the use of this being if the group is in trouble you quick grab as much aggro as you can have the group run one way and you run the other then FD and they have a nice head start.

[Sant]

<DIV>Its also good if your group has a wipe out(which even good groups have). You make sure the healers give your their stone or feather and then when everyone else is dead and your lieing there pretending you can get back up rez the healer and they can rez the group. </DIV>

[ChrisRay]

<DIV>My Feign Death at Adept 1 skill has been pretty reliable. Not perfect but I'd say it works a good 70% of the time on Yellow cons. And seems to get lower on higher cons. But generally its been very reliable for me.. I have never seen a FD work when my "Brawlers Stance/Thundering Fists" did not get erased. But I see it work all the time when they do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I just have good luck. Or it could be lag related/</DIV><p>Message Edited by ChrisRay on <span class=date_text>11-27-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:22 AM</span>

[fd]

<DIV>So FD is just like in eq1?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                         Thanks</DIV>

Its worked for me on ONE occassion , the other time the bears kept gnawing on me. Feign death is a good thing to have in emergencies, when it works!!!!

[Maligno]

<DIV>Hi, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am currently level 22 as of this post. I have feign death adept 1. I have used this skill while facing yellow 2 arrow mobs in StormHold with great reliability. I also used this skill against the denizens of the undead river, against centaurs, and assorted aggro creatures in TS. What I have observed though is that:</DIV> <DIV>1. FD's reliability is inversely proportional to the number of mobs that are aggroed on you. </DIV> <DIV>2. I have occassionally FDed while engaged in combat with success. However my normally sequence will be to break the encounter, sprint away from the mob/mobs and  FD.</DIV> <DIV>3. On a successful FD, only the FD icon can be seen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At level 28, we will be able to upgrade to play dead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If only I can find FD adept 3. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Cora]

<DIV>Yeah all your concentration buffs fade when you successfully FD - also mobs do sometimes do 1 more round of attacks (thanks shadowdash doing 500 quick strike while FDed and encounter broken  = xp debt )</DIV>

[Kelendryy]

<DIV>Yeah i thought FD was going to be a under-used skill for me.  But now i am reconsidering quickly.  It saved my bacon a few times last night in Crypt of Betrayal and in SH.   When it didnt work i noticed i was still getting hit, so i quickly got up ran a few feet and FD'd again.   Then it would work....or not.  Depends i suppose on the encounter.  I only have Appren1 so i will look to find upgrade to FD Appren 3 today.  </DIV>

[Jarv]

Hi,I am only 14 and FD works for me. Typically never on the first try. I am only app1 yet when I successfully FD'd a Stone Titan, another wandering stone giant walked right over me and did not aggro. Like all things it is probably a check against whether they detect you.Jarvil

[Naano]

<DIV>Maybe I missed the post but I didn't see anyone mention the /feign command.  That tells you if you failed or succeeded.  There is a great FD guide here that explains how to macro it.  Now when I FD I know if it worked or failed.  </DIV> <DIV><STRIKE></STRIKE> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://evermonks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26" target=_blank>http://evermonks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26</A></DIV>