Monk DPS

[Cpl-Hic]

<DIV>How is a monks DPS in comparison to other fighters.... i know rogues and preds still have more DPS but im curious as to how much damage a monk can dish out.  monks in EQ1 had insane DPS and i was curious if its still the same.</DIV> <DIV>thanks</DIV> <DIV>Hicks</DIV>

[Gaige]

<DIV>I just dinged 20, and although I don't think its as good as the scout class, its a huge jump up from Brawler <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[io]

From Beta monks and bruiser have a little more DPS than all other Fig. but nothing compared Scout tree.

[woo]

<DIV>wow this is an old thread.. gage was only lvl 20 haha <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>sorry im bored waiting for the griffon ride to be over</DIV>

[sglant]

we were all newbies at one point..  = )

[Gaige]

<P>Wow, lol.</P> <P>It took me six days to get 20 <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>My old stupid roommate was slowing me down, heh.</P>

[diamondma]

<DIV>well at 50 im doin anywhere from 160-360dps depending on the group and the mob resistances.</DIV>

[Skha]

<span><blockquote><hr>ioto wrote:From Beta monks and bruiser have a little more DPS than all other Fig. but nothing compared Scout tree.<hr></blockquote>Oh really?</span><div></div>

[Nefari]

Good lord, I must be the weakest Monk in existence.  At 49th I'm usually around 95-105 in DPS.  Granted my regular group does not include many stat-buffers (ie my str and such are only in the 140's), and my guild is too low in lvl to have done any raids yet. Using T5 rare imbued Cestii's <div></div>

[sglant]

are you saying your DPS is that high, or your per hit? upwards to 360dps is pretty high coming from 1 person (or so I would think)...

[SageMarrow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nefarien wrote:<BR>Good lord, I must be the weakest Monk in existence.  <BR><BR>At 49th I'm usually around 95-105 in DPS.  Granted my regular group does not include many stat-buffers (ie my str and such are only in the 140's), and my guild is too low in lvl to have done any raids yet.<BR><BR>Using T5 rare imbued Cestii's<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you might need to check your parser... ive been doing doing 90 dps at the least since level 35. But hey - then again - i might need a new parser...

[Computer MAn]

I can stay competitive with the scout classes. I was coming in first or 2nd on the CH this weekend <div></div>

[Nerill]

<P>DPS varies <STRONG><EM>tremendously</EM></STRONG> based on your position.</P> <P>While tanking and standing in <EM><STRONG>front</STRONG></EM> of the MOB you can expect your DPS to be a good 30 - 40% <STRONG>less</STRONG> then if you are <EM><STRONG>behind</STRONG></EM> the MOB playing DPS and not tanking.</P> <P>This is because a MOB can block, parry, ect. attacks from the <EM>front</EM> while your attacks from <EM>behind</EM> usually land and land for good damage.</P> <P>Take this into consideration when you compare DPS.</P>

[diamondma]

<DIV>i am saying i average 160-360 dps(damage per second) at the end of the fight, and yes my parser works fine.</DIV>

[Nerill]

<P>Another thing to consider is that DPS can vary based on the <EM>length</EM> of the fight.</P> <P>If you are in full groups, you are not tanking and the MOBs are dropping fast ... you will have higher DPS. This is because our most damaging attacks have <U>30 second recast timers</U> on them. If MOBs are dropping dead in 10 - 15 seconds, then your DPS will be a lot higher then if MOBs are dying in 25 - 35 seconds.</P> <P>Sagarakun, if you average 160 - 360 DPS in all fights even when tanking, then you my friend are the most uber of all Monks and I declare you the "winner". You can now go on and play another game since you "won" this one already. :smileywink:</P> <DIV>Considering your weapons and other gear and your unbuffed strength of 118, I have a difficult time understanding how you can be putting out that kind of DPS when no one else in this community can sustain that kind of Damage Per Second.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=260314203" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=260314203</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For instance, tonight, I was tanking for my little group of 3. I was putting out on average: 85 - 105 DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I am not tanking and can get behind the MOB I average anywhere around 120 - 150 DPS in encounters that last 25 - 35 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is my gear:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=120676105" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=120676105</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So please, tell the jury how you can crank out the kind of DPS that you claim to. I am very curious. Maybe I am doing something wrong.  :smileysad:</DIV>

[Kernow]

<P>How do you view your own DPS - is it on some obscure window, or are you all calculating it manually? If so, how?</P> <P>Cheers</P> <P> </P>

[diamondma]

<DIV>look man im not tryin to win a contest there is no reason to be an [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. i simply stated my range of dps it is fact u can ask anyone that has grouped with me they will agree with me. the 360 dps was on a 48^^ mob in perma it wasnt a hugely long fight but i cycle'd through my specials twice. if you choose not to believe me oh well fact is fact. go start a [Removed for Content] contest with someone else man.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>kernow combatstats is a good parser that is pretty user friendly u can get it at <A href="http://www.combatstats.com/" target=_blank>http://www.combatstats.com/</A></DIV>

[Amanojak]

<P>Lets calculate this manually.</P> <P>Consider you using fist at 1.4 delay. So you be hitting for 40-70 damage per hit per fist. Lets say taking an upper average of 60 damage per hit per fist. So your melee DPS will be</P> <P>120 / 1.4 = 86 damage per sec</P> <P>Lets say you spam all your 5 high hitting combat arts for 400damage each. But each CA takes 2 seconds to produce so your DPS from CA will be 200DPS.  So for 5 CA over 10 seconds you will produce 2000damage so that equates to 200DPS.</P> <P>But thats one cycle....the CA has a 30second refresh so over 40seconds (of which there will be no high hitting CA) your DPS will go down to 2000damage / 40sec = 50 DPS</P> <P>Add yo your melee dps will give you little over 140dps...add in the DOT will give you around 150-170dps.</P> <P>Now all the above is not exact...but how the hell can you calculate 360dps??? Of cos your just saying 360 is your upper-most limmit...which means you saying you getting alot of 300DPS a fight.</P> <P>Does your parser only runs for wintery talons?</P> <p>Message Edited by Amanojakae on <span class=date_text>05-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:30 AM</span>

[diamondma]

<DIV>[Removed for Content] ur not taking into account buffs. this is the MOST dps i've ever done hence it being the high. i never said 360 is my average, but if its been done once it can be repeated given the same situation. now just calm down ppl its not the end of the world. with a good group its easy to get 200+ dps on blue and white ^^'s (lvl46-50 mobs) im sorry if i damaged any of ur ego's i was just tryin to help someone out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>no i was not tanking a lvl 50 guardian was for 3/4's of the fight.</DIV><p>Message Edited by diamondmage on <span class=date_text>05-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:36 AM</span>

[Sa'meria]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kernow70 wrote:<BR> <P>How do you view your own DPS - is it on some obscure window, or are you all calculating it manually? If so, how?</P> <P>Cheers<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Get a log parser like <A href="http://www.combatstats.com/" target=_blank>http://www.combatstats.com</A> , I can't seem to run the added window mode, seems to lag my EQ2 screen, but it copies after each fight to the clipboard and then you can just cnrt-v to paste it to the chat window and show everyones combat info. Plus is does alot more too, specials tracking to keep track of what specials are used, how many times its been used, avg. damage, total damage. and LOTS LOTS more. It does NOT violate EULA, because it only monitors the log file. Check it out very customizable for combat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kernow]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sa'meria wrote:<BR> <DIV>Get a log parser like <A href="http://www.combatstats.com/" target=_blank>http://www.combatstats.com</A> , I can't seem to run the added window mode, seems to lag my EQ2 screen, but it copies after each fight to the clipboard and then you can just cnrt-v to paste it to the chat window and show everyones combat info. Plus is does alot more too, specials tracking to keep track of what specials are used, how many times its been used, avg. damage, total damage. and LOTS LOTS more. It does NOT violate EULA, because it only monitors the log file. Check it out very customizable for combat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Excellent, thanks!  Will try that out when i get home.<BR></DIV>

[Nefari]

OOOOk I see what the problem was, the guy in my group that parses for us only does ^^ mobs; he says the numbers are skewed on even and ^'s.  I never noticed that was the only time he parsed.  Using CombatStats btw. Also, seems obvious but the mob you're fighting's resists has a ton to do with it, as well as how he's been debuffed.  Fighting the golem guys in LS I was doing anywhere from 110 to 240 last night, in a DPS role.  The 240 was with the group trying to debuff the mob as much as possible, which usually we don't bother doing.  Ranger slashing debuff + cestii's = mass DPS.  To be honest though, unless I'm researching a new spell's effectiveness I don't really care about DPS.  I know I hold my own.  We generally just parse to make fun of the Guardian <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Though he has a nasty habit of neglecting to taunt the next fight, and I'm not buffed to tank so...owie. <div></div>

[Sa'meria]

<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kernow70 wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Excellent, thanks!  Will try that out when i get home.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>If you have any problems with it shoot me a tell ingame or a PST here and ill try and walk you throuhg it. I'm no expert on it, but I can use it pretty good.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by Sa'meria on <span class=date_text>05-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:31 PM</span>

[Nerill]

<P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>diamondmage wrote:<BR></P> <DIV><STRONG><U><EM><FONT size=4>i am saying i average</FONT> </EM></U></STRONG>160-360 dps(damage per second) at the end of the fight, and yes my parser works fine.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> diamondmage wrote:<BR> <DIV>[Removed for Content] ur not taking into account buffs. this is the MOST dps i've ever done hence it being the high. <STRONG><EM><U>i never said 360 is my average ...</U></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>im sorry if i damaged any of ur ego's i was just tryin to help someone out.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You included 360 in your <EM>average</EM> range. It would have been a more true statement for you to say I average 160 -170 DPS when I am behind the MOB and <STRONG><EM><U>one time</U></EM></STRONG> I even hit 360 DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Instead you made an insipid statement and we called you out on the carpet for it. Don't get all butt-hurt about it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You didn't damage any egos. It's just that the Monk community as a whole does not like inaccurate information being stated as fact. That is how nerf cries get started and generally does not help to promote a healthy flow of reliable information. Posting bad info is not "helping someone out".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But hey, at least you tried right ? :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[diamondma]

<DIV>you know what a range is? it has a high and a low 160-360 thats a range of damage that i have been able to get on average. hell sometimes i do 60 dps in a fight that im lazy in. im not going to start a flame war with u because arguing on here is pointless apparently u are always right so i concede to my corner. think im going to quit posting on these boards because everytime i do some [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] with a grudge has to speak up.</DIV><p>Message Edited by diamondmage on <span class=date_text>05-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:45 PM</span>

[Fflurry]

<P>I'm not getting this debate, I average 210 to 230 dps per fight that crushing is involved.  Group or raid buffed, bout the same each time.</P> <P>Dual wielding prismatic and ironfist with a lot of mana regen</P>

[danishpo]

I don't know what DPS my monk does  I dont log anything, I have a question though. I hear that alot of well equipped level 50 monks "average" 200-220 DPS, and some even break 300 from time to time, I don't know alot of Warlocks and Wizards that can perform that well, even with Master 1's and all adept III's ... Do you really think its fair that the 2 brawler subclasses can outstage both Wizard and Warlocks in endgame DPS? (Raiding) IMO the problem is in str affecting damage, haste items, and insane fabled weapons, nothing a mage does at level 50 will improve his damage, save for Adept III's and Masters - but a monk can obtain those aswell. I guess I shouldnt complain since I play a monk and I am very pleased with my class, but I have my reservations, and I fear the nerf bat will hit hard - soon <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[diamondma]

<DIV>danish most of the fights where people break 300 dps are not long fights most of the time its just by cycling through specials and some luck.  i've broken 300+ afew times now and it was purely because of buff's. a group with a dirge, troubador, and a fury gives us insane attack power. its not really a problem with our class more like just the current fighting system. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>on a side note a good wiz will out dps us any day give enough power and a tank that can hold agro against them. most wiz's i know do not go all out and rarely get a chance to. i grouped with a 48 wiz while i was tanking and even doing 250 dps with taunts and quiet purity the wiz was still pulling agro off me. not sure on the dps but i think she hit 500 acouple of times. granted the mobs were dropping very very fast.</DIV><p>Message Edited by diamondmage on <span class=date_text>05-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:21 PM</span>

[Ianthia]

<DIV>Pssst..... Taps the glass.  Don't listen to Sagarakun.  He has paper mache armor and a tin foil space monkey hat.  He couldn't throw a four pound [Removed for Content] through a wall of s&^t paper.  Man this guy takes more dirt naps than pig pen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Peace,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ianthia Foehammer</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[elihup]

I'm not trying to say that you guys don't do excellent dps, but measurements from these dps meters dont nessecarily reflect much about you, rather your group as a whole.  For example, if you have an inquisitor that is going all out the parser is gunna show much more damage for several people.  First off the tank is gunna get an extra 70-100 damage attributed to him for every time that he is hit from the damage component of the reactive heal.  Also the Act of Belief spell line gives each member of the group a 15% chance to proc a pretty large amount up to 5 times with virtually no recast timer and very low mana cost.  Im only lvl 42 and there is another spell left in this line, but for a master of this spell at my lvl each of these procs are over 200 damage.  All of this damage is attributed through the dps parser not to the inquisitor but to the name that comes up in the logs.  So your probably gunna proc a few of these over a fight if the inquisitor keeps that spell up, which i always do.  This is only an example of the extra damage that the parser is attributing to you from an inquisitor, i have no idea what other classes may add to your percieved damage. <div></div>