Cuirass of Trueblood vs Cuirass of Protection?

[austforber]

For tanking obviously.  I can't get the stats but you all should know.  What's your opinion?<div></div>

[atjtennis]

Cuirass of Trueblood all the way.  The CoP should be officially retired and no longer used period except as back up gear

[Legiax]

<P>Trueblood owns the CoP.</P> <P> </P> <P>Keep the BoP as backup gear for raids as the dude above mentioned.</P>

[Dimgl]

<font color="#00cc99">Trueblood isn't a bad breastplate, but I don't think you guys are taking into consideration the parry and defense on CoP. Don't discount it for how easy it is to get, or how long it has been around, if anything the changes in EoF further solidified its spot in the top breastplates available. The same goes for the Chitin gauntlets from Den, which are easily in the top gloves available now in my opinion.EoF is -heavily- balanced on skill vs skill combat now, and winning your contested defensive rolls is both a lot more difficult and a lot more rewarding now. I'm not really going to say more because the way I suspect tanking works is so much more complicated and annoying as far as math goes, but don't underestimate or neglect defense or parry in EoF.</font><div></div>

[Trynnus1]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimglow wrote:<BR><FONT color=#00cc99>Trueblood isn't a bad breastplate, but I don't think you guys are taking into consideration the parry and defense on CoP. Don't discount it for how easy it is to get, or how long it has been around, if anything the changes in EoF further solidified its spot in the top breastplates available. The same goes for the Chitin gauntlets from Den, which are easily in the top gloves available now in my opinion.<BR><BR>EoF is -heavily- balanced on skill vs skill combat now, and winning your contested defensive rolls is both a lot more difficult and a lot more rewarding now. I'm not really going to say more because the way I suspect tanking works is so much more complicated and annoying as far as math goes, but don't underestimate or neglect defense or parry in EoF.<BR></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Have to agree with Dimglow again guys,</P> <P>When compare the two on me, my mit and avoidance are both better with the CoP even after getting nerf to high heaven.</P>

[Jvaloth]

<P>Yup, CoP is still king.</P> <P> </P> <P>6 defense / 6 parry  = 2.2% avoidance</P> <P> </P> <P>Add on the fact that the CoP still has 580 mitigation.</P> <P> </P> <P>I've found myself using the CoP again with the new combat changes.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[ChopStix]

<P>i'm using Breastplate of the Doomflight  24str 24sta 20agi 16wis  70health 40power, dropped off of Doomlord Septimus</P> <P>292 vs heat,cold,magic,divine,</P> <P>477mit  +6defense</P> <P> </P> <P>compared to CoP theres what roughly  .5% difference in avoidance and  43mit in favor to the CoP.  i like the BotD better, and do alot better dps with it.. so figure that in, if you can do adornments, the mitigation can be made up rather cheaply, but the + to defense is a little harder to come by.</P><p>Message Edited by ChopStix on <span class=date_text>12-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:37 AM</span>

[Nembutal]

I use the doomrage BP or the Relic BP depending on the resists I need.I have alot of +DEF gear... my MIT went down when I equipped the CoP after EoF (used to be my BP of choice) and my avoidence didn't go up enough to make me happy.  It could be that I am close to the DEF cap?  Haven't looked since my last few upgrades.+Parry gear is more rare... and I DO miss that.I am assuming 580 MIT after you added the +slash/crush/pierce stuff to the base MIT... because last I looked it was no where near 580.<div></div>

[ChopStix]

<P>i'm having to agree with nembral..</P> <P> post EoF, the CoP isnt what it use to be.. now + to defense and parry are more important than it use to be, and the +6 to defense on the CoT makes up the +5defense +5 to parry on the CoP , on the CoP your effectively raising your avoidance .1% compared to the CoT..  and the CoP is only 465 mit with +105 vs crushing and +69 vs piercing and 0 vs slashing now, and that is too easy to make up elsewhere now.. so comparing the 2 i think the Cuirass of Trueblood is better...</P> <P>plus your strength and power poor is going to be much higher and more hitpoints with the CoT..</P> <P> </P> <P>i still like the Breastplate of the Doomflight better than both.. </P> <P>Message Edited by ChopStix on <SPAN class=date_text>12-11-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:13 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by ChopStix on <span class=date_text>12-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:20 AM</span>

[ChopStix]

<DIV>stats on Breastplate of the Doomflight are +24str, +24sta, 20agi,+16wis,  70health, 40power, +292 vs heat, cold , magic, divine,  477 mit, +6 defense</DIV><p>Message Edited by ChopStix on <span class=date_text>12-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:36 AM</span>

[Nembutal]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>ChopStix wrote:<div></div> <div>stats on Breastplate of the Doomflight are +24str, +24sta, 20agi,+16wis,  70health, 40power, +292 vs heat, cold , magic, divine,  477 mit, +6 defense</div><p>Message Edited by ChopStix on <span class="date_text">12-11-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:36 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>And Doomage Breastplate (my main one) is26 STR, 28 STA, 24 AGI, 110 Health, 100 Power, 730 vs disease/heat/poison, 533 mit.Breastplate of Annihilation (my other good one) is27 STR, 10 STA, 10 AGI, 20 WIS, 120 Health, 110 Power, 630 vs cold/magic, 527 mi + disfigure bonus of 125Curiass of Shadowfire (the one my bud uses)28 STR, 29 STA, 22 AGI, 7 WIS, 16 INT, 94 HP, 102 Power, 284 vs cold/magic, 534 mitThose are 3 of the more commonly worn high end zerker BPs.Oh... and without def stance on I have +32 DEF... (right now I am wearing some resist gear... so if you look at my profile it's slightly misleading) with my sword proc it can be +42 DEF.  In defensive I can add another +24... so +66 DEF... normally 5 points a level.. so 66/5 = 13.2 LEVELS of defensive gains... crazy.  Which is why I think CoP may look bad more so to me than others... is that maybe my +6 DEF on that BP is past the +DEF cap?  Sometimes I swap my 2 light chitins out for feathered rings (for the stats and + slashing to help with DPS and my ability to connect my blade to skin)... that brings me to +70 DEF when I proc my sword... but I drop some MIT from the Light Chitin which I do not recover.</div><p>Message Edited by Nembutal on <span class=date_text>12-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:06 PM</span>

[ChopStix]

nice items, we're just starting in t7 raids, so in the near future i hope to acquire such items, got my doomrage gaunlets the other night.. funny thing is, i dont think theyre all that good now :[

[YummiOger]

<P>This thread is obviously for a Non-Raid equipted Tank. so why say i use fable this or fable that?. </P> <P>first is a few other questions to answer, </P> <P>Are u already at 50%+ Asorb with the CoP? If so go for the stats.  50% solo asorb will be bumped up to acceptable Lvs when grouped for dungons and such. </P> <P>What is ur Aviod at? the Less aviod u have the more mit u need. and visa verse.</P> <P>are u useing Buckler line? the small +def/parry of the CoP may be needed incase.</P> <P>if u are at 50%+ i would suggest the trueblood or the BP from HoF.  If u are not a raid tank u do not need uber equitpment to function in todays enviroment.</P> <P> </P>

[Kage8]

<blockquote><hr>YummiOger wrote:<div></div> <p>This thread is obviously for a Non-Raid equipted Tank. so why say i use fable this or fable that?. </p> <p>first is a few other questions to answer, </p> <p>Are u already at 50%+ Asorb with the CoP? If so go for the stats.  50% solo asorb will be bumped up to acceptable Lvs when grouped for dungons and such. </p> <p>What is ur Aviod at? the Less aviod u have the more mit u need. and visa verse.</p> <p>are u useing Buckler line? the small +def/parry of the CoP may be needed incase.</p> <p>if u are at 50%+ i would suggest the trueblood or the BP from HoF.  If u are not a raid tank u do not need uber equitpment to function in todays enviroment.</p> <hr></blockquote>"This thread is obviously for a Non-Raid equipted Tank. so why say i use fable this or fable that?."Well its cause raiders have huge ego's. And they love nothing better than comeing into a thread where people are disucsing the diff between 2 Leg Bps and showing all the Uber 1337 gear they got hehe. But hey they worked hard for that gear so cut them a little slack. Just ignore there useless posts about Bp's no one asked about lol.Not a flame just makes me laugh.By the way i agree with Dimglow, id take the CoP anyday.<div></div>

[austforber]

So what is the verdict on these 2?  I just won the Trueblood tonight and now I'm really stuck deciding.As a layman when it comes to the math of these things I would think that the parry and defense really make the difference.  But I am willing to be open minded.  And Raid gear doesn't count, it's between these 2 pieces.<div></div>

[Kaberu]

CoP seems the better choice for tanking unless for some reason you really needed those specific resists on the CoT. As Dim pointed out, +skills are a much better benefit despite the minor change you see in the overall avoidance number (which is still an inaccurate approximation and not an exact figure).<div></div>

[digitalblasphemy]

<div></div><div></div>I've done HoF many times and have never seen the Breastplate of the Doomflight, speaking of which I've had terrible luck even getting the V'jaza't Spaulders to drop what to speak of the Vukar'ohk, Sword of Legend <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  Is the BP part of the "sneak" loot table?Another BP that is fairly common to acquire drops from one of the cube mobs though I can't remember which one.The BP is Legendary and is called the Obsidian Adamantium Cuirass and has 26 STR, 26 STA, 20 AGI, 90 Health, 60 Power, 648 Cold, 720 Magic, +6 Defense, 498 Mit.aITEM -865126655 -843240802: Obsidian Adamantium Cuirass/aAs far the COP goes, I wish each stat was listed equal.  Now it's kind of funky with 103 crushing, 69 piercing and 0 slashing.  Slightly OT, but I also prefer the Dark Chitin Rings over the Light.  The +10 defense added with the primary stats makes up for losing 33 mit and some resists.<p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by digitalblasphemy on <span class=date_text>01-29-2007</span> <span class=time_text>06:01 AM</span>

[uux]

<div><blockquote>digitalblasphemy wrote:I've done HoF many times and have never seen the Breastplate of the Doomflight, speaking of which I've had terrible luck even getting the V'jaza't Spaulders to drop what to speak of the Vukar'ohk, Sword of Legend <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  Is the BP part of the "sneak" loot table?</blockquote>It drops from Doom Lord Septimus (not one of the "sneak" named mobs if I understand correctly what you mean).  It dropped for us the first time we ever did HoF almost a year ago.  Since then, I think I've only seen it drop 2 more times.</div>

[Legiax]

<P>I have the doomflight BP, and it seems really rare. He also drops a really nice ear ring which i've not seen yet.</P> <P> </P> <P>Killed the guy about 30+ times as well, cheatpiece dropped 6 times so far so about 1/5 it seems :o</P>

[digitalblasphemy]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Legiax wrote:<div></div> <p>I have the doomflight BP, and it seems really rare. He also drops a really nice ear ring which i've not seen yet.</p> <p>Killed the guy about 30+ times as well, cheatpiece dropped 6 times so far so about 1/5 it seems :o</p><hr></blockquote><font color="#6666ff">Do you mean the Dreath Trance earring?  If so, that dropped for me on my first ever visit to HoF.  I had no idea it was a rare item from there until recently.  I did notice when I inspected people (I'm an inspect junkie), that I never saw anyone else wearing it.</font></div><p>Message Edited by digitalblasphemy on <span class=date_text>02-01-2007</span> <span class=time_text>08:13 AM</span>

[Legiax]

Thats the one, not seen anyone with it yet on Venekor <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Conjourer]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Legiax wrote:<BR> Thats the one, not seen anyone with it yet on Venekor <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT color=#3399ff>I have one, Kemt has one, and I know of at least 2 others who have one...took me a while to get it, I hardly use it now...unless your in D stance, its subpar IMO...</FONT></DIV>

[Legiax]

<DIV>Didnt say it was par or anything else....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But its gear, and rare drop gear at that, which i want.</DIV>

[Conjourer]

<P><FONT color=#3399ff>Oh no doubt, I keep it in my bag, for a rare occasion when I can't tank the content in O-stance, and don't have any skill ups from warden or other skill buffing class...just saying, if I had it to do all over again, no way I would go to HoF for the express purpose of getting Deathtrance...things not worth it...If you happen to be in there, and it drops, as was the case for me, was actually just chasing Azjeroths guard at the time, then awsome!!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#3399ff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#3399ff>Enrage, I had a good time grouping with ya yesterday....I think your ok by me...look forward to another hunt mate..</FONT></P>

[Artalis the Elder]

<p>Obviously keep em both but as far as one goes to use? I would say that if you are mt'ing heavy duty mobs (raid tanking or hitting a harsh zone) go with the CoP and for standard stuff use the CoT. The extra str will give you a lil extra damage and power. </p><p>Also I have found it very handy to "train" my healers. I'll intentionally get them used to me being in O stance with dark chitin rings and my belt of the doomflight instead of the light chitin rings and dragonscale sash and when things get ugly it gives me a lot of room to up my defenses and suddenly the healers are like "wow this is easy" </p><p> Remember as a tank its your job to control the pace and keep the group safe, but not necessarily to put the healers to sleep. It's ok to sacrifice a little bit of mit or whatever if you arent getting your [Removed for Content] kicked. Make em work a little. I know that I get bored as heck on my Templar when tanks are overgeared for an instance and when I get bored...bad things happen lol.</p><p>When I'm tanking I always check my group's power before the next pull and they are always mostly full and I'm hardly ever over 60% so I know they aren't working too hard.</p>

[Seddok]

<p>Trueblood... resists decided it for me and well BoP sux nowadays (also it's fugly). On a side note tho, I only use Trueblood for certain resists since I have better BP for most other situations.</p>

[Obadiah]

My mitigation and avoidance both go up with CoP. I can't remember how much, but it isn't a ton. Nonetheless unless tanking MM Castle or Unrest I wear the Trueblood because the difference is slight and CoP is the most hideous breastplate in all of EQ2.

[Beagest]

how does CoP and CoT compared to Class Armor for tankage ability ?

[Schmalex23]

please clarify class armor?  there is EoF legendary and fabled and there is also relic or the PvP set too.

[FightGame]

<a href="http://www.eq2idb.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.eq2idb.com</a> ftw

[Beagest]

Skel@Butcherblock wrote: <blockquote>please clarify class armor?  there is EoF legendary and fabled and there is also relic or the PvP set too.</blockquote>sorry, Legendary stuff, the fabled stuff destroys cot / cop imo.