FP side zerker...

[Triste-Lune]

I usually dont complain much but i really feel bad seeing the deity abilities from FP. As a raid maintanking berserker from freeport i dont see any god that is really interesting compared to what Mith Marr can bring. sure Innoruk can give some little love to taunts but it s no way comparable to the benefit you can get from being from Q <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I have always feel that the game was favoring the good align but it s even more flagrant here. not mentionning the evil side healer playin some neutral not getting any healing help like the one get from tunare. Makes me wish i had switch cities a long time ago now missing only 1 master it s a no go, i m stuck with low beneficit deities...I know the grass is always greener on the other side but here i really feel bad for the first time since realease i m not even willing to play my zerker, not bacause of the deities but also because of the poor AA and of the LU29 nerf.

[jinxedup]

lol-- you must be joking-- you have the best tank god with rallos zek on the FP side-- quit complaining

[Ryugu]

rallos zek = winseriously.<div></div>

[Wargurine]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Triste-Lune wrote:I usually dont complain much but i really feel bad seeing the deity abilities from FP. As a raid maintanking berserker from freeport i dont see any god that is really interesting compared to what Mith Marr can bring. sure Innoruk can give some little love to taunts but it s no way comparable to the benefit you can get from being from Q <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I have always feel that the game was favoring the good align but it s even more flagrant here. not mentionning the evil side healer playin some neutral not getting any healing help like the one get from tunare. Makes me wish i had switch cities a long time ago now missing only 1 master it s a no go, i m stuck with low beneficit deities...I know the grass is always greener on the other side but here i really feel bad for the first time since realease i m not even willing to play my zerker, not bacause of the deities but also because of the poor AA and of the LU29 nerf.<hr></blockquote>Dude, you gotta be kidding. Rallos is like the best zerker god there is, he has stuff to offer for tanking AND for dps'ing. I am actually rather dissapointed with mith mar, and if I wasn't almost mastered out as well I would betray just so I could get Rallos (and a nightmare, you can't even try to tell me that q's got it better with a crappy mist runner). I am tempted to ditch mith marr for a diff god, but I do'nt really see anything available to the q side that I like.</div><p>Message Edited by Wargurine on <span class=date_text>11-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:33 AM</span>

[Triste-Lune]

Like i said the grass is always greener on the other side./rant oni could careless about DPS. i m already too much DPS parsing from 1K to 1K4 zone wide. i want more survivability not some DPS. you may see rallos as the ultimate thing, i have yet to see something like that 10 Stone skin (without recovery timer o_O dragon reflex has 15 sec recovery) or the 9% parry incoming attack mith mar offers. There is just nothing to help a tank stay alive with rallos unlike mith mar only thing maybe helping is rallos retribution, if you concider rallos being the best good for you, i have the regret to let you know that tank dont need DPS i am a raid main tank not a DPSer, if i wasnt my guild's main tank i wouldnt complain. if you need rallos dps to keep agro or think a berserker is supposed to be a DPSer in a raid go learn your class./rant off.The only decent god for a tank on evil side i see is innoruk at least it has raw aggro boost. rallos zek is assassin / brigand god.

[terrified kill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Triste-Lune wrote:Like i said the grass is always greener on the other side./rant oni could careless about DPS. i m already too much DPS parsing from 1K to 1K4 zone wide. i want more survivability not some DPS. you may see rallos as the ultimate thing, i have yet to see something like that 10 Stone skin (without recovery timer o_O dragon reflex has 15 sec recovery) or the 9% parry incoming attack mith mar offers. There is just nothing to help a tank stay alive with rallos unlike mith mar only thing maybe helping is rallos retribution, if you concider rallos being the best good for you, i have the regret to let you know that tank dont need DPS i am a raid main tank not a DPSer, if i wasnt my guild's main tank i wouldnt complain. if you need rallos dps to keep agro or think a berserker is supposed to be a DPSer in a raid go learn your class./rant off.The only decent god for a tank on evil side i see is innoruk at least it has raw aggro boost. rallos zek is assassin / brigand god.<hr></blockquote>then you so should have roleld guardian and not zerker <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Triste-Lune]

Wrong i m not complaining about guard vs berserker i know what a guard can do and cant and what a zerker can do and cant. Actually i know those difference more than the former guardian we had to kick from the guild cause he sucked sooooo bad.i m talking about the discrepancy betweent the good side good (nice favor&miracle for tanking) and the evil side god (crap favor&miracle for tanking) i perfectely understand that god are different but the return from being from Queynos is just so inbalance. Freeporter have always gotten the shaft all the way through the game (reason why you see more good players from FP than from Q), and the god are now keeping on the same direction. Take a look at tunare and tell me if FPer have anything close to this? why would you want a fury or warden from FP when you can take one from Queynos and get even more easy healing. Why have a berserker from FP when you can get a zerker from Q that will get those nice favor&miracle. Sure you can say they have a 1hour timer but those are life saving abilities unlike the ones from Rallos just save them for those hard encounter. Having 10 stone skin for me would make Cheldrak pull and positioning just a lot smoother let more time for everyone to position and land debuff before CD can even start dealing damage. neutral class from FP got the shaft that s all and the gods have increase the cleavage between the professions, i mm sure a lot of ranger/swash are looking at rallos with envie.

[Wargurine]

Go learn my class huh? You say that and then say that our personal dps as a MT doesn't matter? And yet the primary aggro holder for a zerk is our dps, so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] you talking about dude? Those abilities would help tremedously against mobs that mem wipe, especially ones that resist taunts a lot. And with the combat changes, oh yeah, thats EVERY mob. Those big hits will help get the mobs attention in a hurry, and there is even an auto rez for heals your for 25% immediately!! So mr I am better than you, how do you hold aggro on a mob that resist 7 outta 10 taunts if its not with dps? hrmmm?And look at the cloaks. Marr's cloak is a joke. a little bit of a dps mod (am maxed regardless so woopie), some str (again maxed), and it makes you grow more, so yay, I don't fit in the corner anymore, can't see now without repositioning the camera again, and oh crap I can touch the bottom of the pool and be thrown around now, cause yeah, that so sweet......or zek's cloak with a straight up dmg proc that is at least helpfull no matter what.<div></div>

[Triste-Lune]

i m sorry if you are experiencing some aggro issue on your side, i m not, mobs stick to me and yes i m talking about epicx4 mobs. i didnt word properly, what i want to say is that i could careless for more DPS as a tank i m not sure i should be DPSing from 1K to 1K4 zonewide, are you concidering that we should be parsing that much while tanking? I wont lie i love my DPS but i always though it was wrong.Did i talk about the cloak? no i dont think, even though i think a 15sec +15%dps is > to direct damage + DOT that will deal less damage that 1 of my regular auto attack but well. The 25% rez is the only thing that rallos could offer but that s all and i already mentioned that it was the only thing maybe worth, beside we already have UW and at a lesser lvl VoM (though VoM is unreliable <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />). the end miracles are "blah.. wish i was an assassin/brigand at least they be usefull", but as far as tanking is involve there is nothing close to mithaniel marr.I m sorry if you feel mith marr is a crappy tanking cause i m not. I wont explain why mith marr offer some so good miracle and leave you in the shadow.Reguards.

[Huna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Triste-Lune wrote:<BR>i m sorry if you are experiencing some aggro issue on your side, i m not, mobs stick to me and yes i m talking about epicx4 mobs. i didnt word properly, what i want to say is that i could careless for more DPS as a tank i m not sure i should be DPSing from 1K to 1K4 zonewide, are you concidering that we should be parsing that much while tanking? I wont lie i love my DPS but i always though it was wrong.<BR>Did i talk about the cloak? no i dont think, even though i think a 15sec +15%dps is > to direct damage + DOT that will deal less damage that 1 of my regular auto attack but well. The 25% rez is the only thing that rallos could offer but that s all and i already mentioned that it was the only thing maybe worth, beside we already have UW and at a lesser lvl VoM (though VoM is unreliable <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />). the end miracles are "blah.. wish i was an assassin/brigand at least they be usefull", but as far as tanking is involve there is nothing close to mithaniel marr.<BR>I m sorry if you feel mith marr is a crappy tanking cause i m not. I wont explain why mith marr offer some so good miracle and leave you in the shadow.<BR><BR>Reguards.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>As far as the cloak goes, both of them have the dps increase, the Rallos one has a DD+Dot, and the marr one has +50 Str.  I'd rather have the DD+Dot than the 50Str.  And as far as the blessings and miracles go, Lots of the marr ones are used on group friends, not yourself.  The last Mith Marr is probably better than the Last Rallos, but they are both useful for MTs.  I'd say for a berserker, Rallos Zek is the better god to go with.

[Triste-Lune]

The problem i see is for tanking, Rallos is obviously for DPS purpose, while Mithaniel Maar is for tanking.Unfortunately i dont want to be a DPS, i would have pick a real DPS class like predator/rogue/sorcerer or sumoner. The proc changes to our chant line makes our berseker proc almost never proc when not tanking reducing out already low group utility when not tanking. I know mith marr has a lot of favor/miracle are group friend things, but out of all his miracle the self ones are just invaluable. it s a shame that with equally skilled berserkers the one from Q will have the edge no matter what just because of his starting city.Mith marr offers means to deal with those OUPS moment we all face at some point.Reguarding the cloak, i m pretty sure mith marr give +50 str +15%dps and enlarge by45% for 15 sec and like i said +15%dps is a lot more damage than a single dot that deal less damage than one of my regular auto attack. i dont really care about the cloak cause i m sure i ll get a better one than the god’s cloak anytime soon.

[Wargurine]

Dude, comparing Zek's auto rez with VoM is like comparing a cadillac to a old beat up vw bug. I have never once had VoM save me againts a raid named, not once. It just doesn't heal enough to work. Now a 25% heal, with a nice big dmg hit to make sure the mob stays on me while I get back on my feet is freakin huge. And I have enough to be watching for when tankign a named, I would much rather have an ability that I don't have to worry about hitting at just the right moment than one that I gotta time just right. As for the cloaks, Zek's cloak gives 15dps just like Marr's does, and I would rather have the dd/dot than the 50 str. And I don't even tank with marr's cloak on if I gotta be in a pool or in a corner. The grow effect makes me pop outta corners a lot, messes up my camera position, and sometimes makes me touch the bottom of the pool and then Ic an get knocked back. <div></div>

[Triste-Lune]

How can i turn you on ignore Wargurine, you are clueless and a shame to any selfrespecting berserker. wish this feature was implemented just like on [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].comI said VoM was unreliable though it saved me more than people think it could ever have. And if vision of madness never saved you then all your healer sucked. mob like Cheldrak, MO, 3princes know the power of that dbl egde sword that VoM is and still regret it. A 25% rez wont make your healer job anymore easy because if you are dying and have to use that rez it means that the mob was not for you and you couldnt stay up long enought to [Removed for Content] it with debuff and staying up 5 more secondes thanks to that 25% heal wont do [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].Mith marr make the healer job easier. What does R-zek has to offer? ... ho DPS that s cool, thanks my DPS is already overpowered.That god is a SCOUT GOD do you get it? scout careless about gettig -def since they get +C/P/S and procs. i know a few friend ranger and swash are just complaining cause rallos is giving the evil side scout a huge DPS boost.Rallos has NOTHING for tankingYou, sir are just a wannabe DPS that figures a tank is supposed to be on top of the DPS parse, you are just clueless on tanking and what is needed to make the job easie for your healers. Let me guess you were one of that though mayhem suppressed rage and wall of ferocity were just useless and your mana was better off burned on CA list frenzied blow?Go get a clue, i ll never know if you ever got it cause i ll be just dismissing all of your futur post sir laughting stock that think DPS is for tank.Have a bad day Wargurine.

[Wargurine]

Ah I see, your one of those types that just wants to whine for no reason Triste. You don't want to actually read or discuss anything anyoen else says, you just want to attack them as being stupid so you can keep whining. EVERY ability from EVERY god is situational. You say my healers just suck if I would need an auto rez right? I guess that means you have never died while tanking, guess that means you got godly healers and your a god yourself, so you shouldn't be worried about any of these abilities anyways. Besides, going invuln for a couple seconds is *almost* just like getting a nice big heal, and marr's invulnerability only lasts for 10seconds or so (or 10 attacks). You said it would be helpfull for positioning a mob, but man, if you pop your miracle before the mob even hits you....thats a waste imo. chel'drak is easy to position w/o even getting hit, so don't need it there =p  Where as on say, Vilucidae in his final stance, where you can't auto attack, having a nice big dmg shot to hit him with will help you lock aggro, same with other mobs you can't auto attack.But like I said, every ability is situational, and certain fights always make you go dang, wish I had such and such ability from such and such a god.<div></div>