is a 2-hander viable for max dps?

[arieste]

<DIV>for sake of argument, I care nothing about defence.  DPS only.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm currently using my axe + buckler just like every self-respectin zerker out there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But i do so loooove all the cool 2-handers in the game... i mean for looks and for the "berserker feel" of using one.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>By all accounts a 2-hander shoudlnt come anywhere close to a buckler-combo for dps.  Has anyone tested and found otherwise?  ( And I mean T7 raid-geared zerkers).</DIV>

[Igixnasii]

I have a friend whose a raid tank berserker and spent 9p on a fabled  2 hander with base 101.4 dps and I mocked him for it.For my money by doing calculations, a 60.0 dps 1 hander with the sta line does 2 attacks, 60 + (76%x60) = 105.6 base dps.. so even a basic legendary should out dps any available two hander.<div></div>

[arieste]

<DIV>that is a very basic calculation, but it does make sense.  Like I said, I use a 1-hander because i believe that it maxes my DPS, but I would LIKE to use a 2-hander if it were to (at least) be just as good.  Hoping that maybe someone's found a good spec for a 2H or something...</DIV>

[Igixnasii]

Ya got me thinking and... that situation is unbalanced, because it doesn't take into account the fact one would change their aa line if they wern't going to use the one hander. IF you have a fabled 1 hander @ 77 dps .. the sta line is a no brainer, you will out damage any two hander available. Using WIS + INT or WIS + STRIF you have a fabled 2 hander @ 105 dps.. with WIS+INT+STR lines you will out damage all but the high fabled 1 handers, however you do lose some cool buckler bonus stats.So I guess the answer is.. it depends on the weapons you have available. <div></div>

[Trynnus1]

<P>I use the fabled 2 hander from Lyceem - 105.6 damage rating.</P> <P>I went down wis line to max Mit and DPS, and Str line to max Crit hits.</P> <P>I was surprised to find that in a group last night that I was parsing 600 on multiple mobs and 1400 when using rambo combo (Rampage,destuction, and juggernaught)</P> <P>I have tanked all zones (except Nizara) with my 2 hander in off stance (sword and board for named in HOF). I find it easier to hold aggro by doing more damage.</P> <P>The sword is my only fabled gear btw.</P>

[Wargurine]

yeah, if your 2h is your only fabled peice of gear, then of course your gonna do more dps with that over a legendary 1her =p<div></div>

[KFizzle]

<DIV>When "DPSing" and not tanking (which is becoming more and more increasingly rare) i use the Vraskin Claw Club or whatever its called, awesome sexy 2hander with a HUGE delay and big damage spikes. With a decent raid group i can autoattack (crit) high in the 3k, low in the 4k. I cant check the players site from here, but i forget what my high melee was with it (i think around 4300... Kajar on Nektulos)</DIV>

[arieste]

<DIV>1h i have Axe of the Bloodbeast and Froswrath</DIV> <DIV>2h i have are  <A href="http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=LTE4MjQ1ODE2NTc=" target=_blank><FONT color=#333333>Rak'leklo, Runeblade of the Doomflight</FONT></A> and <A href="http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=LTEzMDExOTQ3Njc=" target=_blank><FONT color=#333333>Vukar'ohk, Sword of Legend</FONT></A>.  I think the first is a 98 and the second is 105 dmg rating.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know there are both better 1-handers (Planar Axe) and 2-handers (Vrak club), however i feel that mine are good examples of *attainable* high-end gear.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm pretty close to max haste as it is, so I feel that the INT line would be of very little imrovement for me.  The agi line only helps for multi-mob encounters, so i dont think it would be of huge difference either. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so...</DIV>

[Igixnasii]

Of course, 2x duel handed weapons even at the legendary level beat fabled 2 handers out for DPS, and they can use the exact same aa lines as 2 handers effectively.From a quick overlook, 2x 60dps duel handers with wis+int+str would do the same DPS as 1x77dps singled handed with sta+wis+int. 2 handers would be decent but not really close. 2 good fabled non lore duel wields are rather difficult to come by.<div></div>

[arieste]

why no lub for teh 2h sword <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   /cry

[PhoenixTears]

<P>Honestly reading these replies.. i have to wonder if half of you are actualy even raiders.. or how much you have played your class.. Im not bashing anyone..  Im just curious who some of the people posting are..  As an experience raider ill offer my opinion and experience with all the different setups..</P> <P>There is absolutely no replacement for a few 2 handers.. using a buckler and a 1 hander dont compare to using some of the 2 handers. The best weapon in the game atm is the vraksakin claw club.. and ill explain why.</P> <P>Its simple honestly, it auto attacks for anywhere from 4-5 k   that right there is enough, but when your using open wounds thats hitting 3 targets for 5k. (im being optimistic, somtimes this weapon hits for 1k.. but the average is around 4) This is with 80-100% dps and if you cant get your dps mod that high in almost any group your in, then that may be your problem right there..  I specced to the buckler line using chel draks shard (argueably the best 1 hander in the game short of like planar axe of destruction) for a few days to see if i liked it and to compare,  I didnt...</P> <P>Chel draks shard has a delay of 2.5 and it auto attacks for around 800-900 somtimes hits high in the 1.2 range   (with the dps mods again)  Vraksakin claw has a delay of 4.0 and it hits for an average of 4k</P> <P>so that means in 4.0 seconds Vraksakins claw club does 4k , in 5.0 chel draks shard with double attack does 3600 (thats if double attack even goes off , its not 100%)</P> <P>my aas are in melee crits and what not since i dont use buckler.. so i crit probably every other swing. </P> <P>To say it in short,  longer delay two handers proc almost all the time.. they hit for bigger numbers and generate overall more dps than a buckler line can... The buckler line is only good for tanking.. and its double attacks arent 100%  Now all of this info is based on the items and stuff i have at my disposal, i guess if you dont have a good 2 hander or whatever else a buckler might be better for you.  But i have both and comparing the 2,   the 2 hander does more dps.</P> <P> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by PhoenixTears on <span class=date_text>11-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:35 PM</span>

[arieste]

<div></div>well given that Vrak is the single best 2h in game, what id like to see it parsed against is Planar axe, which the single best 1h.how does using a 2-hander other than Vrak stack up?  surely you have one of those Rekleto swords that drops all the time in labs, or maybe the vyemm or sword, anything with a 2.5 sec delay basically.  edit: Just because someone doesnt own the best 2h weapon in game that drops off a contested mob, doesnt mean they are not a raider btw.<div></div><p>Message Edited by arieste on <span class=date_text>11-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:04 PM</span>

[PhoenixTears]

<P>nah i wasnt saying that.. It just ticks me off when theres like.. lvl 45 berserkers who post in threads like these with their opinion when they have no clue.. it happens a lot lol..</P> <P>anyways i have those other weapons.. i have way too many weapons actualy tbh..  they dont suck incredibly i guess, but they dont compare to vraksakin or say.. prides edge ect..  Its all about the slow weapons with big damage.  As far comparing 2 handers like rakleko ect..  to buckler, i never tried it so i couldnt tell you which would be better dps.  it depends on the 1 hander your comparing i guess...  Chel draks shard hits for 1.2k somtimes.. and the average of rakleklo is like 1.2-1.8 id say..  so that weapon and a buckler would probably be close.  </P>

[Blayde01]

<P>Aimed at the poster that said Vraksakin claw club is the best 2h DPS weapon: Yes, i agree that it is, but, if your AA's are not specced right, it is only as good as any other weapon, Why? Critical hits. Vraksakin claw club has THE HIGHEST damage range of any warrior usable 2h weapon (1-425, 4.0 delay). And, since a melee critical hit will always hit for Max damage +1, this gives the vraksakin claw club insanely high critical hits. </P> <P>For example, I use a Shadow Axe (61-142, 2.5 delay) and with max Str and DPS mod, it has a damage range of 450-890ish(shown by /weapon), so, if i critical, i will hit 1.3 times what the hit would have been, or 891, whichever is higher. But, the vraksakin claw club has such a huge damage range, that if your at max str and dps, the damage range will be more like 20-3000(just an estimate, i'm guessing it's a bit higher if he can hit average 4k with it), so, if you score a crit hit, you will hit for 1.3 times the normal hit, or 3001 damage, whichever is higher. (not including mob debuffs of course).</P> <P>If you have max points in the Str Crit AA line, a mark of the awakened, the rare +crit potions, and a dirge (i think dirges buff crit %, but cant remember) you can easily hit 40% crit and 100% dps/haste. Then, the vraksakin club is better than the buckler line. So, the damage progression is like this: Vraksakin club w/high crit rate > Sta AA Line > Other 2 handers. If you dont have the club, I suggest going Sta Line for DPS. if you do have the club, use it for DPS. The vraksakin claw club is one of the only 2h weapons that will outdamage a good 1h + buckler</P> <P>And to answer the original question, the vraksakin claw club is the only 2h weapon that will even come near to the DPS of the Sta AA line<BR> </P><p>Message Edited by Blayde01 on <span class=date_text>11-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:53 AM</span>

[Wargurine]

Where does that club drop anyways? Keep seeing people talk about it but never seen it drop myself so was wondering heh.<div></div>

[arieste]

drops off Vrakskin <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  (contested dragon in ToS)<div></div>

[KFizzle]

<DIV>I have the club, it owns. Vraskin or however its spelled was easy to down too. The AA setup i have is str 4 5 8 Wis, 4 4 8 8 8 , so i have the high DPS mod, as well as the crits. My max hit was higher than i had said earlier (i looked it up this morning) it was somewhere over 5k... with some good haste you can cut that delay in half as well (dirge, inquis, monk, illusionist, even a shaman can buff haste, let alone our own zerk proc and equipment) ... Just saying cause i honestly am glad i dont have to use that double attack stamina thing, it just reeks of something that will get nerfed (even though it hasnt happened yet).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Illustrious]

<P>Vraksakin prolly the best 2 handed weapon in game for any class than can use it and that can get a decnt amount of crit% say 20% or so.</P> <P> </P> <P>In a 100% dps mod grp with raid buffsand the mob debuffed  it hits for a minimum of 4016 on every crit and goes up over 5.6k top end, its not the highest dr weapon by a long shot, but the huge gap between lowest and highest possible hits more than makes up for it due to the crit mechanism. The 4 sec delay also means then even with max haste you still got 2 seconds to shoot off CA with not missing any auto attacks.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Illustrious on <span class=date_text>11-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:23 PM</span>

[PhoenixTears]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blayde01 wrote:<BR> <P>Aimed at the poster that said Vraksakin claw club is the best 2h DPS weapon: Yes, i agree that it is, but, if your AA's are not specced right, it is only as good as any other weapon, Why? Critical hits. Vraksakin claw club has THE HIGHEST damage range of any warrior usable 2h weapon (1-425, 4.0 delay). And, since a melee critical hit will always hit for Max damage +1, this gives the vraksakin claw club insanely high critical hits. </P> <P>For example, I use a Shadow Axe (61-142, 2.5 delay) and with max Str and DPS mod, it has a damage range of 450-890ish(shown by /weapon), so, if i critical, i will hit 1.3 times what the hit would have been, or 891, whichever is higher. But, the vraksakin claw club has such a huge damage range, that if your at max str and dps, the damage range will be more like 20-3000(just an estimate, i'm guessing it's a bit higher if he can hit average 4k with it), so, if you score a crit hit, you will hit for 1.3 times the normal hit, or 3001 damage, whichever is higher. (not including mob debuffs of course).</P> <P>If you have max points in the Str Crit AA line, a mark of the awakened, the rare +crit potions, and a dirge (i think dirges buff crit %, but cant remember) you can easily hit 40% crit and 100% dps/haste. Then, the vraksakin club is better than the buckler line. So, the damage progression is like this: Vraksakin club w/high crit rate > Sta AA Line > Other 2 handers. If you dont have the club, I suggest going Sta Line for DPS. if you do have the club, use it for DPS. The vraksakin claw club is one of the only 2h weapons that will outdamage a good 1h + buckler</P> <P>And to answer the original question, the vraksakin claw club is the only 2h weapon that will even come near to the DPS of the Sta AA line<BR> </P> <P>Message Edited by Blayde01 on <SPAN class=date_text>11-03-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:53 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>thats the way i am specced... i dont use potions unless im desperate ud be surprised how often 22% chance to crit realy is. however even without crits the weapon still hits for 3-4k...  your stats are a bit off while technicaly this weapon has a chance of hitting very low.. it hardly ever does. a 4.0 second delay gives you more procs and when you have 100% haste your swinging like every 2 seconds. I will agree with you though,  there are very few two handers that will beat the buckler line. but there a few..   I suppose for the average berserker the buckler line would be better.. but for anyone that has vraksakin , or prides edge.. or any other 2 handers with high delays and huge damage ranges  2 handers will do more dps with melee crits than the sta line.<p>Message Edited by PhoenixTears on <span class=date_text>11-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:57 PM</span>