Beserker 2handed or dual weild

[Mystery123]

What should i use for my beserker 2handed or dualweilding and what kind of weapon should i use for that one <div></div>

[EshamBlm]

<P>First off you may want to ask this in the Berserker forums, but I will answer your question the best I can.</P> <P>1> For main tanking use 1h and shield</P> <P>2> For off tank use 2h</P> <P>3> For dps use dual wield.</P> <P>This doesn't not come from personal experience because I have all mages and healers, but I have seen this same question answered a bunch in the past couple of years :smileywink:</P><p>Message Edited by EshamBlm on <span class=date_text>10-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:25 PM</span>

[Jrral]

My opinion is, it depends on what you're doing. If you're main tank in a group with other DPS/nukes available, go 1H plus shield. You don't need to churn out the damage, you need to minimize the rate you take damage at to keep the healer from getting overloaded and give the damage guys time to do their thing. If you're in an offensive role, off-tank or similar, then go dual-wield. The weapons don't do as much damage in one hit, but you hit twice as often and the DPS adds up fast. I can't think of too many good reasons for a berserker to use 2H weapons, though. They're slow, and dual-wield tends to out-damage them overall for those classes that can. The only reason I can think of is if you've got a good proc or stat boost on a 2H weapon and your dual-wields don't have anything. <div></div>

[SageGaspar]

Some two handers have raaaaally long delays, and also it's cheaper (in DKP, platinum, whatever) to get one two-hander over two dual wields.<div></div>

[SilverSlayer]

<div><blockquote><hr>SageGaspar wrote:Some two handers have raaaaally long delays, and also it's cheaper (in DKP, platinum, whatever) to get one two-hander over two dual wields.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I am currently a 57 Beserker and I can tell you from my experience that from levels 1 to 30 or so I used a 1h with a shield. But from there on out I have ditched the shield altogether and have been using my 2 handed fabled axe and have never gone back.</div>

[Sokolov]

Always open the fight with 1hander and Shield. Use shield bash. If tanking - keep going. If not tanking - switch to 2hander after shield bash. <div></div>

[Mulethree]

<DIV>I did some tests with cobalt and ironwood mastercrafted imbued weapons back when they tweaked the damage ratings on dual wield weapons. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It used to be that dual wields - of a similar quality like these tier6 mastercrafted - would have exactly 1/2 the damage ratio of a 2hander. </DIV> <DIV>They increased the ratio on dual wields because people would miss out on more weapon swings when they cast combat arts. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The change was to restore what they wanted which was for 2handed and dualwield to yield the same DPS.</DIV> <DIV>So in a typical fight where you use your combat arts, it is true that the DW and 2handed come out about the same DPS. </DIV> <DIV>A 1hander and a shield - with the extra shield bash attack - comes to about 80% of the DPS of using a 2hander.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you get into a really long fight where you are out of power and using very few combat arts, then the dual wield weapons can do </DIV> <DIV>about 10% more than the 2hander - as reflected in their damage ratios - but I rarely run out of power unless I'm tanking and taunting constantly.</DIV> <DIV>Dual wields are typically much faster, and of course you are swinging 2 of them so you get more than twice as many - smaller - hits in</DIV> <DIV>but it doesn't mean more of the proc of your offensive stance or more triggerings of your berserk proc.  In my tests there was nowhere </DIV> <DIV>near twice as many of the imbued weapon proc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What you will get more of is ripostes.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I don't even carry dual wields - they take more money to buy and more space in inventory than 2handers and don't offer much benefit. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>70% of the time I use a 1hd axe and a tower shield</DIV> <DIV>most of the rest I use a 2hd spear - because I have a sweet spear and AGI line AA that has a spear-specific extra AE attack. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[arieste]

<P>Uhm.. if the choice is between DW and 2h, DW is probably better, but 2h is easier to get in high quality at the top levels.</P> <P>Overall however, 1h+buckler is superior to either of those both in DPS and in Tanking.  (Assuming you have 4/4/8 AAs in the Stamina line).  There are multiple threads explaining this.  Basically this gives your 1-hander 76% double attack and given that a 1h has higher dmg rating than a DW, you basically to more damage AND get defense from using the buckler.  (this is a very rough explanation, there are more thorough ones on this forum).</P>

[Xo]

Is there anyway to reset your AA ? I took str first but  i would like to try the stam with one hand shield.

[EshamBlm]

<DIV>If you are from Qeynos, you can go to the mage tower in South Qeynos and there is someone you can pay to respec AA's.</DIV>

[Mulethree]

If you are from freeport go to the mage tower and down the elevator.  If you have never done it, then you probably already have a button on your AA screen to reset it for free the first time.  Once you have used that freebie, the merchants in the mage towers will reset that button for a price.  Supposedly that price goes up each time you use the service.<p>Message Edited by Mulethree on <span class=date_text>10-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:58 PM</span>

[Conjourer]

<P>Reseting AP's can get very expensive..I have respeced so many times now that my next repsec will cost me 10PP...be very cautious about respecing until you absolutely know what you want...</P> <P> </P> <P>Syrius Silverblade</P> <P>70th Berserker</P> <P>50 APs</P> <P>70th Provisioner</P> <P>Venekor</P>

[Brorimed]

<DIV>EshamBlm is absolute correct ..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>" <P>1> For main tanking use 1h and shield</P> <P>2> For off tank use 2h</P> <P>3> For dps use dual wield.</P> <P>"</P> <P>Thats what i do .. I even tank with DW in low risk groups .. </P> <P>  Brorim .. ( 70 Zerker, 50 AA, Permafrost ) </P></DIV>

[Igixnasii]

<DIV>1 handed with buckler on stamina aa 4, 4, 8 seems to give the best damage, however if your not around that point yet...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>dual wields have a better dps then 2 handers but are much harder to find and expensive to make. I used dual wields up to 60, by then I had enough to use gladiators finesse effectively which seems to do considerably more damage then dual wields. 2 handers are slow and with abilities that depend on speed to be most effective (Rampage, Open Wounds) you will lose out.</DIV>

[Disturbe]

<DIV>Guess i'll give my 2cp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First it doesn't really matter till you get two lvl 58, dw and 2-hander are fairly balanced, if you use alot of ca 2-handed is best, if you auto attack alot dw is best. If you went sta AA line its a no-brainer. If you don't have sta line after 58 you should have a 2-hander.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heres why:</DIV> <DIV> It doesn't matter what your speed is for destruction, it only procs 10 times which even weapon aegis will proc it, so its not hard to proc it 10 times in 36 sec.</DIV>

[Disturbe]

<DIV>Guess i'll give my 2cp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First it doesn't really matter till you get two lvl 58, dw and 2-hander are fairly balanced, if you use alot of ca 2-handed is best, if you auto attack alot dw is best. If you went sta AA line its a no-brainer. If you don't have sta line after 58 you should have a 2-hander.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heres why:</DIV> <DIV>1.  It doesn't matter what your speed is for destruction, it only procs 10 times which even weapon aegis will proc it, so its not hard to proc it 10 times in 36 sec.</DIV> <DIV>2.  Open wounds increase your attack speed and auto attack multiple targets with their PRIMARY WEAPON, hmmm, would you want to auto attack with one dw weapon, or a 2-hander that with do double the damage?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't even know any t7 berserkers that still dw.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cronous 70/50 berserker :  Unrest</DIV><p>Message Edited by Disturbed3 on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:32 AM</span>

[Nembutal]

<P>As alot of other people have said 1 hander with STA line.</P> <P>With double attack at like 76% using that AA tree and the fact dual wield fables are like 50's dmg rating and 1 handed fables are like 70's well... it works out pretty well... AND you get to keep a shield.  That shield has stats also... and avoidence for you... if a scout could use a shield... even a crappy one and do the DPS of someone using dual wield... they would jump on it and they are not tanks... you are a tank so it's even more of a "good deal" for you.</P>

[Thor Of Hal]

<P>Nem, igi and arieste are right (sorry for abreviations/spelling), you should gear your zerker to the buckler line even as the first thing you do with your AAs at an early level, it cannot be beaten with dps! even the best of the best 2h in T7 cannot out dps a shadowaxe + buckler (only in rambo does it stand a slightest of chance, but even then u have to change back to 1h buckler after or ur parse will drop)... And thats jus the shadowaxe btw, matron/3princes drop far better 1handers.  DW and 2h simply will not offer you the same levels of dps once ur able to get double attack. </P> <P>And even with EoF coming out; it will contain a different AA tree, so im kinda doubtful that these EoF aa will extend the KoS ones meaning that buckler double attack will probably still be a very viable option in EoF for all those zerkers that are still leveling.</P> <P>Vladnor The Berserk</P> <P>70 Berserker</P> <P>Unity</P> <P>Splitpaw </P>

[Legiax]

<DIV>2handers.... look cooler, have a sound damage rating and less chance to  riposte.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ZERKERS WITH SHIELDS ARE PANSY'S!</DIV>

[Thor Of Hal]

<P>LOL, aye used to think the same way... but i parse 2.7k in DT i dont think that much of a pansy anymore <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>+ If ya look at the Weapon Damage Triangle, DR isnt everything.</P> <P>Btw according to you character roster you give under ur sig when u post. Your Highest zerker is 62 and hes not ur main???  Have you got full 50 aa on any of your zerkers?  Have you got one thats 70?</P> <P>Jus wondering, because, if ya dont, i think ur opinion might change if you do level a zerker to 70 and 50AA</P> <P> </P> <P>Vladnor The Berserk</P> <P>70 Berserker</P> <P>Unity</P> <P>Splitpaw</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Thor Of Halla on <span class=date_text>10-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:59 AM</span>

[Nembutal]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Legiax wrote:<div>2handers.... look cooler, have a sound damage rating and less chance to  riposte.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>ZERKERS WITH SHIELDS ARE PANSY'S!</div><hr></blockquote>LOLI am assuming you are kidding... because RIPOSTE is a joke.  If you are not using a shield you should not be tanking... and if you are not tanking you should be behind the mob... if you are behind the mob it can't riposte you... therefore anyone equipping a 2-hander to avoid riposte don't know combat mechanics.By the same token if I was given the option to use a 2 hander with a 105 dmg rating... or a 1 hander with a 77 dmg rating... which drop from the same tier mobs.... the DPS on the 2 hander looks awesome.But if I look at the fact I double attack with that 1 hander 76% of the time the math looks like this.105 = 10577 * 1.76 = 1351 - (105/135) = .23 So you are looking at 23% more DPS or so.And that is saying you are not tanking... if you ARE tanking you get extra DPS from the buckler reversals and the ripostes from the shield use skill after the double attack one.So what I am saying is... a 1 handed STA specialized Zerker can out DPS and out Avoidence a 2 handed tank... the 2-handed Zerker CAN go back and put on his tower shield when it is time to tank... BUT that means he needs 3 fableds... instead of 2.  (I just need a 1 hander and buckler... a 2-handed zerker needs a 2 hander, 1 hander and shield)SK and PALADIN use 2 handers... not guardians/bezerkers.  This is why you can buy fabled 2 handers so cheap on the broker... and the fact you can buy them so cheap on the broker makes people come out here and try to defend thier purchase ;-pHowever I won't disagree on the fact that they look cooler....</div><p>Message Edited by Nembutal on <span class=date_text>10-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:57 AM</span>

[Gortesh]

First off, you have to take these items into consideration.1. Do you have enough AA's to get Double attack down the Buckler line?2. Are you going to tank?3. What weapons/sheilds you have access to.A1. a. If you have enough AA's to get the Double Attack skill with the Stamina line on AA's, DO IT, this would practically DOUBLE your dps with a 1 Hander, and a Buckler as a sheild really isnt too bad, it only effects your avoidance which can be gained back in groups easily.A1. b. If you do not...go with what ever you have better access to, if you can find a 2 Hander with better DPS and maybe a proc((such as the pvp vendor one)) then use that, if you come across 2 really good dual weild weapons then use those. The only difference that ive seen in dual weild vs. 2 hander weapons are the hate gains, @ handers deal in somthing i call ''burst damage'' where you hit for a huge amount of damage at once which gives you more hate, and dual weild weapons deal in ''steady damage'' where the damage is evened out over a course of hits.     Side Note: With dual weild you can aslo increase 2 weapons types simultaniously! i.e. Crush + Slash at once.2. As a Berseker you will, more than often, be asked to tank, having a sheild is definetly a good idea.3. Think about this one RREEEAAALLL HARD! Because its simple, GO with what is the BEST for that time.Other Notes: Always keep more than  one weapon on you, its a smart idea, I run around with a 2 hander, dual weild weapons and my 1 hander and a sheild.<div></div>

[Thor Of Hal]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gortesh wrote:<BR>First off, you have to take these items into consideration.<BR><BR>1. Do you have enough AA's to get Double attack down the Buckler line?<BR>2. Are you going to tank?<BR>3. What weapons/sheilds you have access to.<BR><BR><BR>A1. a. If you have enough AA's to get the Double Attack skill with the Stamina line on AA's, DO IT, this would practically DOUBLE your dps with a 1 Hander, and a Buckler as a sheild really isnt too bad, it only effects your avoidance which can be gained back in groups easily.<BR><BR>A1. b. If you do not...go with what ever you have better access to, if you can find a 2 Hander with better DPS and maybe a proc((such as the pvp vendor one)) then use that, if you come across 2 really good dual weild weapons then use those. The only difference that ive seen in dual weild vs. 2 hander weapons are the hate gains, @ handers deal in somthing i call ''burst damage'' where you hit for a huge amount of damage at once which gives you more hate, and dual weild weapons deal in ''steady damage'' where the damage is evened out over a course of hits.     Side Note: With dual weild you can aslo increase 2 weapons types simultaniously! i.e. Crush + Slash at once.<BR><BR>2. As a Berseker you will, more than often, be asked to tank, having a sheild is definetly a good idea.<BR><BR>3. Think about this one RREEEAAALLL HARD! Because its simple, GO with what is the BEST for that time.<BR><BR>Other Notes: Always keep more than  one weapon on you, its a smart idea, I run around with a 2 hander, dual weild weapons and my 1 hander and a sheild.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Somthings to add/subtract from that gortesh:</P> <P>1. You gain an AOE avoidance from the skill after buckler double attack (forget its name), that gives you ~5% aoe avoidance, with this skill maxed at 8 points it still falls short of a towershield avoidance on FRONTAL only.   by about ~5% but, it gives u more sides and rear avoidance then a tower shield does.  If u dont have the 8 points in the AoE avoidance however, u dont get the aoe avoidance and a tower shield then has 10% more avoidance in the frontal area. </P> <P>2.  If your not tanking, as has been said many times before, a 1hander + buckler w/ double attack is still by FAR the highest dpsing option way more then a 2hander, with 4,4,8 wis, 4,4,8 sta, 4,4,8 str. esp. you will quiet easly out dps yourself with that setup then if u used a 2hander. If you had a v. good 1h spear u could use the AGI line and perhaps do more... but if u didnt use that spear... ud [Removed for Content] urself.</P> <P> I have Sceptor of Destruction (i think its called that, drops of tarinax) and Adamantine Dragon Fang (off second named in labs) and their DW dps sucks balls compared to my 1hander.  You might be able to dps high if you use a 2hander for Rambo then quickly switch to buckler + 1hander after it... but its tricky to do and results dont always do much. </P> <P>Im not sure if you talking about T7 here or if ur suggesting while leveling up i.e. like level 40 --> or w/e.  I am talking about T7 lvl 70 here... and thats where i think personally you should be focusing on rather then ur current level/tier... because thats where the cap is and thats where u will end up for at least the next 6 months (i.e. when T8 might come out).</P> <P>Although EoF will change many things tho.  cant wait to find out what EoF AAs are like... might = big changes (hopefully good!)</P> <P>Vladnor The Berserk</P> <P>70 Berserker</P> <P>Unity</P> <P>Splitpaw</P> <P>Message Edited by Thor Of Halla on <SPAN class=date_text>10-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:49 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Thor Of Halla on <span class=date_text>10-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:50 AM</span>

[EshamBlm]

So, for a leveling tier 2 berserker / fury combo, should I be using 2h or 1h and shield.....or does it even matter at this point?

[Jrral]

Most of the others are talking about lvl70 w/large numbers of AA points. Levelling up you don't have the extra things that come with AA points. I think I'd reiterate what I said before for the early tiers: <ol> <li>Use 1H+shield when you're main tank or you're up against powerful mobs and need as much mitigation/avoidance as you can get. Basically go this route when you need to go defensive. Also remember that the shield gives you the shield-bash attack near the end of T3, which is a nice knock-back/stun in addition to dealing damage. </li> <li>Use dual-wield when you want to go on the offensive. When you're DPS or you're going up against green-con mobs and don't have to worry much about mitigation/avoidance. If you can get both imbued, DW also means twice the chance for the imbued spell to go off which ups your damage output even further. </li> <li>Avoid 2H. They may do twice as much damage as a 1H, but they're half the speed and you can't use a shield with them. Overall they give not much more damage output than 1H and deprive you of the extra protection of a shield. </li> </ol> <div></div>

[Thor Of Hal]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TKnarr wrote:<BR>Most of the others are talking about lvl70 w/large numbers of AA points. Levelling up you don't have the extra things that come with AA points. I think I'd reiterate what I said before for the early tiers:<BR> <OL> <LI>Use 1H+shield when you're main tank or you're up against powerful mobs and need as much mitigation/avoidance as you can get. Basically go this route when you need to go defensive. Also remember that the shield gives you the shield-bash attack near the end of T3, which is a nice knock-back/stun in addition to dealing damage.<BR></LI> <LI>Use dual-wield when you want to go on the offensive. When you're DPS or you're going up against green-con mobs and don't have to worry much about mitigation/avoidance. If you can get both imbued, DW also means twice the chance for the imbued spell to go off which ups your damage output even further.<BR></LI> <LI>Avoid 2H. They may do twice as much damage as a 1H, but they're half the speed and you can't use a shield with them. Overall they give not much more damage output than 1H and deprive you of the extra protection of a shield.<BR></LI></OL> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Sounds about right... Was looong time ago when i was in tier 2/3 back in pre LU 13 days so dont think i can be much help <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Vlad.</P>

[Laoch69]

<P><FONT color=#66ffff>I have tried both dw and 2h, back and forth, many different times...the people who claim that dual wield is absolutely hands down better than a 2hander, need to try some parsing programs out  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  Both have their pros and cons.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#66ffff>If you are a main tank, 1h/shield is probably your best bet for most occasions.</FONT></P>

[Nembutal]

<blockquote><hr>EshamBlm wrote:<div></div>So, for a leveling tier 2 berserker / fury combo, should I be using 2h or 1h and shield.....or does it even matter at this point?<hr></blockquote>lvl 20-30 stuff with a bezerker + fury combo?  Well I would do 1 hander an tower shield.... because your AA pool is non-existant and you need to tank when in a duo.When you get up about lvl 50 with 25 AA's switch to a buckler and 1 hander using the STA line.  For Duo you will tank just fine with a buckler and it's all about having as much DPS as possible... with the fury buffs and heals as well as thier occasional nukes not much will stand in your way as a Duo... but if you go DW or 2-handed you lose the shield... and if you go tower shield you lose the DPS... so in a duo with a fury the STA line wins hands down... I speak from experiance... I sometimes 2 box a fury... it's a powerful combo.<div></div>