Wisdom Line.4/4/8/8.

[Larsenex]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>I am proceeding down the wis line and have two ranks (finally) in the Mitigation part of this line. My question is has anyone taken this one part, which is strait add to our Mitigation, all the way with 8 ranks? This really seems like a no brainer and is why I wonder if many or few of you have. I think both the 3rd and 4th part of the Wis line really is a no brainer and I am leaning heavily on 4/4/8/8 and wondering if I want to spend another 8 points and get stance removal.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>I know many of you go down stam line as the increase in DPS with buckler reversal is beyond a doubt the best AA line we have for that dept.  Can any of you share your particular combos and a quick rundown of perhaps why?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>I tank ALOT with my wife (she is 70 warden) and thus I need mitigation, but we also found that with good dps she is also healing less due to mob early retirement. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>I am currently almost 63 and roaring to 64+.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>By the way, thanks very much to all of you who posted info about swords and the Wall of Rage line info for me. On the VN boards I posted same question and a person replied with a link to a VERY VERY useful tool that you download to your desktop, called EQiD, man is it cool!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>Anyway thanks much..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>Caco</FONT></DIV>

[Trynnus1]

<P>AA are definitely personal preference. I have read alot of threads and done the following:</P> <P>I have 36 points now (or 37)</P> <P>I have 8 Str and put the rest down the Wis Line for the 8 in the DPS and 8 in the Mit category. Last night in Nest with no group buffs I hit 100% DPS and 100% Haste (due to gear) - Currently I ALWAYS tank in Offstance to keep aggro except for 69+ Named. Duoing with a healer, you will need to contribute to DPS alot.</P> <P>Good luck.</P>

[Oldlore]

I'm lvl 70 and 4/4/8/5 in wisdom so far and 4/4/8 in str.  I duo with my wife's warden most of the time, but I also offtank or dps on raids as well each week.  I like the current spec but I've thought about changing and trying out stam + wis for the higher dps of double attack.  The only downside is lower avoidance using a buckler but I'm curious how much lower it is with 9 in the 4th stam ability compared to my draconic deflector tower shield (1400+ block) now.<div></div>

[Dimgl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Trynnus1 wrote:<BR> <P>I have 8 Str and put the rest down the Wis Line for the 8 in the DPS and 8 in the Mit category. Last night in Nest with no group buffs I hit 100% DPS and 100% Haste (due to gear) - Currently I ALWAYS tank in Offstance to keep aggro except for 69+ Named. Duoing with a healer, you will need to contribute to DPS alot.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#00cc99>I am very curious how you managed to reach 100% DPS and 100% Haste without any group buffs. 28% from m1 zerk, 15-25% haste off a piece of gear, ~20% dps from wisdom line, brings it to 48% of both. No INT line listed, so no accel strike, and maybe both ring procs for 26% in each category for 74-75% of each, maybe, if max, and everything was going in your favor.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#00cc99>Was the healer you were duoing with a Fury, who had given you agitate? Or an inquisitor who had given you +DPS, then used their self-stifle + group haste buff?</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#00cc99>If there really is a way to achieve 100% haste and DPS as a zerker solo I would be very interested.</FONT></P>

[KFizzle]

<DIV>My current setup is Str 4, 5, 8 ... then Wis 4, 4, 8, 8, 8.</DIV> <DIV><BR>I've experimented a bit and with what i have weapon/equipment wise this is the best setup for me all around.</DIV>

[Syracus]

Hallo After i have read the great post of dimglow about the aa lines i went down in stamina and wis, cause the dps + is harmonic to the double autoattack and im one of the players how make a greater part of dmg per autoattack. I have try out some other combinations too, like str+wis, agi-wis, agi-stamina and for my playstyle the stamina+wis line is better than any other. I noticed that can tank better with ironplate und 8 points in buckler defense + than without stamina line and a towershield. I dont know why this is so. Maybe dimglow can answer it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I think the 4,5 percent of chance to reposte frontal attacks and the chance to parry side and rear attacks dont shown in the avoidance percentage. How ever for me the Bucklerblues realy rules.Why not str-line? In most normal groups your str is buffed over cap. The hate gain +, the same thing you made with your + dmg. ( 1 dmg point = 1 hate ) so every double attack + dps bonus gives you a good amount of extra hate. And beside this you take the mob faster down with your dmg as with some extra pure hategainbonus <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Maybe for players how are chain ability users (extrem manauser) the str line is the better.Best thing is read dimglows posting about the aa`s and choose than the aa lines wich best for YOUR playstyle. I use stamina 4 5 8 8 and wis 4 4 8 8MFG GronkhBerserker 70 on Valor

[ArcticBlue182]

<div><blockquote><hr>Syracus wrote:Why not str-line? In most normal groups your str is buffed over cap. <font color="#ff0000">The hate gain +, the same thing you made with your + dmg. ( 1 dmg point = 1 hate )</font> so every double attack + dps bonus gives you a good amount of extra hate. And beside this you take the mob faster down with your dmg as with some extra pure hategainbonus <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Maybe for players how are chain ability users (extrem manauser) the str line is the better.<hr></blockquote>i highlighted what i think is the important bit, and this is the exact same reason why i am also taking this path with my AA's, makes much more sense to me that just the hate gain on its own!</div>

[KFizzle]

<DIV> <--- Extreme Manauser. But even when im not i like the Crit stuff, because with my slow [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] two hander (Vraskin claw club 4 sec delay) it makes my hits so much harder and more likely to hit at the high end of the spectrum rather than the low end. The Wisdom stuff gives me better tankability, plus the DPS increase. When im using the 'sword and board' combo the Wis helps me, and the crits still help (didnt bother going for the hate gain, because i never have problems with hate, The more DPS i do the better i hold agro). The Agi line was great (was 4 4 8 there) but i was drawing SICK amounts of Agro on raids when i wasnt tanking, because even if i just was Auto attacking with my 2hander it would hit all the mobs what about 25% of the time (i forget the exact number) and it was crazy turning the mobs the tank wasnt on like that all the time. </DIV>

[Analviper]

Current setup at 50 aaAgi 4 4 6 6 (<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (dragoons reflexs has saved me so many times)Sta 4 5 (<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 4 (76% double attack ...yes please!)Buckler - Azjeroz Guard (from HoF)Zek's Fist (from Nizara)Hitting easily 600-700 dps just auto attacking and tauntingWisdom line was awesome with acceleration but haste doesnt compensate for the DPS buckler reversal and double attack do<div></div>

[Dimgl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kfizzle wrote:<BR> <DIV> <--- Extreme Manauser. But even when im not i like the Crit stuff, because with my slow [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] two hander (Vraskin claw club 4 sec delay) it makes my hits so much harder and more likely to hit at the high end of the spectrum rather than the low end.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#00cc99>Vraksakin is the -ideal- crit weapon in the game right now due to its uneblievably bizarre 1:425 ratio giving critical hits a ridiculously powerful boost. I'd like to see a decked our cleric with Vraksakin and 100% crit rate. I would estimate they could do 800+ DPS auto-attacking with yaulp.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#00cc99>For the other poster asking about why you tank better: You don't against single targets. You do against multiple targets surrounding you from more than your front quadrant. Difference of 4.5% total evasion either way. The DPS you generate does help build hate though, which can be considered better tanking.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#00cc99></FONT> </P>

[menelaus109]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dimglow wrote: <blockquote> <hr> kfizzle wrote: <div> <--- Extreme Manauser. But even when im not i like the Crit stuff, because with my slow [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] two hander (Vraskin claw club 4 sec delay) it makes my hits so much harder and more likely to hit at the high end of the spectrum rather than the low end. <hr> </div></blockquote> <p><font color="#00cc99">Vraksakin is the -ideal- crit weapon in the game right now due to its uneblievably bizarre 1:425 ratio giving critical hits a ridiculously powerful boost. I'd like to see a decked our cleric with Vraksakin and 100% crit rate. I would estimate they could do 800+ DPS auto-attacking with yaulp.</font></p> <p><font color="#00cc99">For the other poster asking about why you tank better: You don't against single targets. You do against multiple targets surrounding you from more than your front quadrant. Difference of 4.5% total evasion either way. The DPS you generate does help build hate though, which can be considered better tanking.</font></p> <p><font color="#00cc99"></font> </p><hr></blockquote>Quizzy here, just noticed this postVraksakins club is an amazing cleric weapon, especially for Inq with our DPS buff and HasteI can get 100% melee crits, 100% haste, and 86% DPS mod with a 20% chance to double hit self buffed, DPS is around 800 spiking to 1k Id guess a temps would be considerably lower due to the lack of self DPS and haste buffs if there were soloing, in a good melee group it would probably be around the same</div>

[FightGame]

<DIV>I have a question about DPS mods and crit hits though...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you have both DPS mod and crit, which would it check first?  For example, if your normal swing was 500 damage, but since you have a DPS mod, it makes it 600.  But your lowest crit is 700.  Would it check to see if it's a crit first, then add the DPS mod on top of that?  Cause if it adds the DPS mod first, then the crit, then your DPS mod is totally worthless.</DIV>

[Lalaya]

<div></div>@Dimglow:+ Open Wounds = another 48% haste+ Imbued Ring of Agi = another ~21% (?) haste+ Imbued Ring of STR = another ~21% (?) dpsso a Zerker roughly hits ~60% dps and ~120% haste when soloing and stuff procs. I love burstdamage<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Cronoise on <span class=date_text>09-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:34 AM</span>

[Dimgl]

<P><FONT color=#00cc99>I've been trying to get the forums to log me in properly to answer this for two days now, sheesh.</FONT></P> <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FightGame wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have a question about DPS mods and crit hits though...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you have both DPS mod and crit, which would it check first?  For example, if your normal swing was 500 damage, but since you have a DPS mod, it makes it 600.  But your lowest crit is 700.  Would it check to see if it's a crit first, then add the DPS mod on top of that?  Cause if it adds the DPS mod first, then the crit, then your DPS mod is totally worthless.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#00cc99>Raising your DPS mod takes priority over critical hit multipliers. IE 50-150 with 0% DPS and then critically hitting will result in 150+. 100% DPS will be 100-300, and critically hitting will be 300+. You can use /weaponstats to see your damage range(s) at any time, just keep in mind that it will display with haste and DPS taken into account in both damage range and attack speed.</FONT></P> <P></P> <HR> @Dimglow:<BR><BR>+ Open Wounds = another 48% haste<BR>+ Imbued Ring of Agi = another ~21% (?) haste<BR>+ Imbued Ring of STR = another ~21% (?) dps<BR><BR>so a Zerker roughly hits ~60% dps and ~120% haste when soloing and stuff procs. I love burstdamage<SPAN><IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif" width=16 border=0></SPAN><BR> <HR> <P><FONT color=#00cc99>Haste is easy, and you can get 26% dps or haste rings (At least I believe the haste rings offer the same, I prefer the DPS, and have no AGI rings.) I can get to 70/54 on my own solo (sustained constant), without WIS line. Unless you're trying to suggest that ring effects are stackable (26% dps and 21% dps at the same time?) then I still don't see how a berserker can reach a sustainable 100% DPS and Haste simultaneously (Open wounds isn't sustainable.)</FONT><BR></P>

[Benaire]

Personally I went int 4/4/8 wis 4/4/8 Stam 4/4/8/1 with gaunt of glorious speed 22% haste +46% from AAs +28% berserk i get 96% haste and + 52% with open wounds.For DPS i have +20% AAs + 28% berserk + 33% underworld plate + 26% str ring for 107% dpsusing this build lets me safely pop my def buffs while soloing and not lose too much dps. In a raid i haven't had a chance to tank anything but being in a FP pvp guild there is plenty of + dps and almost no + haste in my guild. So i can replace my T5 underworld plate and still maintain 100% dps.

[Lalaya]

<hr size="2" width="100%"><font color="#00cc99">Haste is easy, and you can get 26% dps or haste rings (At least I believe the haste rings offer the same, I prefer the DPS, and have no AGI rings.) I can get to 70/54 on my own solo (sustained constant), without WIS line. Unless you're trying to suggest that ring effects are stackable (26% dps and 21% dps at the same time?) then I still don't see how a berserker can reach a sustainable 100% DPS and Haste simultaneously (Open wounds isn't sustainable.)</font><hr size="2" width="100%">You're right, the rings offer the same bonus to dps or haste. I intended not to suggest anything, i merely listed some boni wich didn't get mentioned before.Although i think i got the one or the other haste-proc off my ring out of my inventory between LU26-27. Not quite sure though.I don't see a way to cap both haste and dps at the sime time when solo, but i use Open Wounds as often as possible to make a use of the extra haste. @Topic:My built is STR 448, STA 4481, WIS 448This lets me tank every groupcontent in the game and fits my role in our raids. I might respec AAs if i get geared up and am needed as MT.I succesfully took over the gazers in deathtoll when our MT was charmed the other day and survived, so i don't deem it necessary yet<span>:smileywink:</span><font color="#00cc99"></font><div></div>