Can Nizara be done with 1 healer?

[Wildfury77]

Assuming very well equipped toons, how would this group fair in Nizara?1) Zerker (MT)2) Monk (support tank) - intercept dmg/avoidance buff & group FD3) DIrge........4) Swashie (DPS)5) Brigand (DPS)6) Warden - Offensive buffs.I had this group setup in HoF the other day and have NEVER cleared the zone so fast, but what about Nizara?<div></div>

[FightGame]

I'd say no.  But come back tomorrow and tell me.

[Antryg Mistrose]

I'd agree noNot sure if Nizara takes 2 priests, but it certainly helps to have an enchanter along<div></div>

[HomeChicken]

<DIV>i have still yet to hear about anyone beating this zone without a chanter... not really sure its even possible</DIV> <DIV>in reguards to the one healer thing, i bet it would be possible, but you better bring a lot of repair kits and backup gear and lots of time on your hands, cuz that flame claw or whatever it is, i dont think a single healer could heal through that, and its not cureable, so basicly if that hits the tank (SPECIALLY) without a chanter, he would basicly die</DIV> <DIV>/shrugs</DIV> <DIV>not sayin dont try, but just saying chances are slim to none that group setup would work</DIV> <DIV>but hey the challenge is part of the fun right?</DIV>

[KFizzle]

I've had alot of trouble in the zone since the first time i've been there, I've never gone in there with a Chanter. I'm kinda curious, what is it that a chanter does to those mobs that makes it easier? Is it something that can be replicated with any other class or combination of classes?

[Ep]

mez named, no annoying aoe while killing the others in the encounter.<div></div>

[ArivenGemini]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wildfury77 wrote:Assuming very well equipped toons, how would this group fair in Nizara?1) Zerker (MT)2) Monk (support tank) - intercept dmg/avoidance buff & group FD3) DIrge........4) Swashie (DPS)5) Brigand (DPS)6) Warden - Offensive buffs.I had this group setup in HoF the other day and have NEVER cleared the zone so fast, but what about Nizara?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Unrelated to your primary question.. you might want to look at swashy and brigand more as dps/debuff than just dps..  while they can put out a respectible amount of dps..  they can also debuff quite a bit, just by doing damage (debuffs are tied to CAs).  On my swashy (for example) I can debuff mitigation, divine mitigation, parry, defense, slow the mobs attack, reduce his defenses etc etc etc.. it makes them hit you lighter, less often and you do more damage ... and the brigand has a similar set of debuffs..   it really helps when taking on stuff <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Wildfury77]

<b><font color="#ffff00"><i>Swashies can debuff, really? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></i></font></b><font size="4"><u><b><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000">SHADOWSCREAM 70 swashie/50 AAs (Befallen)</font></b></u></font><div></div>

[Comalv]

<blockquote><hr>Wildfury77 wrote:Assuming very well equipped toons, how would this group fair in Nizara?1) Zerker (MT)2) Monk (support tank) - intercept dmg/avoidance buff & group FD3) DIrge........4) Swashie (DPS)5) Brigand (DPS)6) Warden - Offensive buffs.I had this group setup in HoF the other day and have NEVER cleared the zone so fast, but what about Nizara?<div></div><hr></blockquote>No, absoultely. While the setup could be fine there are a couple of things i want to point out: 1) brigand + swashy are same subclasses, you may want to change this and maybe pick a caster (first time i tried Nizara i was in a melee-only group...we didn't do bad but roots and mezzes come really handy) 2) Flame Claw can hardly be managed by one healer (the dot alone). If you add that every trash mob in an encounter (named encounters aswell) can do it, you will be probably get hit by melee dmg aswell as having Falme Claw ticking, and nowhere in hell can a single healer keep up with it (not even with the monk sacrificing with a rescue on one of the other adds) 3) No Chanter makes it really difficult....Nizara is probably doable pretty easy without a chanter untill last named, but that one will just slaughter u if you can't handle adds (and here a Coercer is really really better than an Illu) If you really want to try with 1 healer only swap either the swashy or the brigand for a Coercer (or an illusionist)but you are gonna have a though time (in particular because u will have only the warden's buffs, no stoneskin, no reactive heals, no wards). Last time we did Nizara we were Zerker, Brigand, Wizard, Inquisitor, Fury and Illusionist and we struggled a bit on last named. If you wanna do it the easy way go this way: you as MT a support-tank (brawler or crusader...preferibely the second ones for the miti buff) a druid (for regen heals when Flame Claw burns u) a second healer (cleric or shaman, preferibely a Defiler for the wards and the debuffs which will come handy in last fight) an Enchanter (for mana regen, mezzes, stuns, stifles and roots...better a Coercer than an Illu for this dungeon) a DPS class (i would reccomend a Conjuror for the great DPS with the pet and the additional Stoneskin and Mitigation, but any should be fine)<div></div>

[ArivenGemini]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wildfury77 wrote:<b><font color="#ffff00"><i>Swashies can debuff, really? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></i></font></b><font size="4"><u><b><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000">SHADOWSCREAM 70 swashie/50 AAs (Befallen)</font></b></u></font><div></div><hr></blockquote>sarcasm does not become you.   Especially since you do not state in your original message that you are one, nor is this in the swashy forum, but the berserk forum..  if you dont want help, fine.. I will mark you on the list of people who know everything and when they say something that seems to indicate they could take advantage of another viewpoint that is merely a facade and you really DO know everything and dont want help.Good luck in your Nizara runs.</div>

[Antryg Mistrose]

<div></div><div></div>Conjuror's do not get Stoneskin, thats Templar/Dirge only afaik.  Conjuror's DO get a mitigation buff, but its not huge.<ul><li>Guardian (okay, okay add a Berserker if you must<span> <span>:smileywink:</span>)</span></li><li>Templar</li><li>Dirge</li><li>Coercer</li><li>Warden</li><li>Brigand</li></ul>Was okay - but we didn't do the whole zone (light on DPS)<div></div><p>Message Edited by Antryg Mistrose on <span class=date_text>07-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:23 AM</span>

[Comalv]

Yeah conj has stoneskin on pet only, and the group miti increase is 326 which is not so bad <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[EasternKing]

<P>my first ever visit to niz i went with : </P> <P>Me (70guard) 70pally 70warden 70brig 70Assasin 70conj </P> <P>we cleared the zone upto the boss, it was rough as hell and not to be recomended i think we died like 12times getting to the boss and then 4-5 more trying the boss, </P> <P>going with a second healer and a chanter i can clear to the boss with no deaths, unless we fall foul of one of the many bugs in the zone.</P>

[Arieneth]

<P>each time we go into Nizara we do a little better. we learn a lot about the encounters and get around needless deaths. last visit we figured out which mobs flame claw and tail lash so we could burn them down fast. last night we cleared the first 3 named without a wipe, then got some adds, and wiped haha.</P> <P>our group makeup was</P> <P>70 SK (me)</P> <P>70 Bruiser</P> <P>70 Necro</P> <P>70 Necro</P> <P>70 Warden</P> <P>70 Assassin</P> <P>with 1 healer, some of the named fights require roots and some dual tanking but its definately possible. we were able to clear 6 names last night but ran out of armor on the grand summoner. that is one tough fight, but with a good pull we could have had it.</P>

[Pnaxx]

This sounds so exciting:smileyvery-happy: I am too low at 52, but can't wait.

[Kemwen]

We've done Nizara with:BruiserZerkerDirgeBrigandInquisitorWarden<div></div>

[Lexan]

<DIV>You could do it with one healer if you have a corcer like Xelus....................  Without Xelus good luck <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Lexan]

<DIV>On a side note seems like our static group (farming for a mage braclet mostly) is:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zerker</DIV> <DIV>Corcer</DIV> <DIV>Warden</DIV> <DIV>Defiler</DIV> <DIV>Necro (nooch wants the braclet)</DIV> <DIV>Brigand</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's cake with these guys......</DIV>

[Griffona]

YES it can be done....though it may be tedious to do so... the key would be organization and control spellsZerker/GuardHealerIllusionistCoercerDPSDPSIF you keep the mob locked down with stuns and stifles ANDNo one uses DoTs so that everyone can stop dpsing on a dime and the enchanters can mezz and catch the tanks hp back up and let stun stilfe timers reset,  it could theoreticly be done.I've done this stop/start style gameplay on difficult named for levels upon levels...it isn't the reccomended method, its slow, it takes lots of coordination (ie voice communication) but it is fully feasible.<div></div>

[HBP]

<SPAN class=time_text> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Epyx wrote:<BR>mez named, no annoying aoe while killing the others in the encounter.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>BUT...it's the trash mobs (can't remember the exact ones) that have the Flameclaw AE, not any of the named.  In fact, the only named that has a really deadly AE is the fire guy.</P> <P>And, no, I don't think a group with 1 healer and no enchanter could clear this zone.  If one can, then please speak up!</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by HBP on <SPAN class=date_text>09-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:04 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by HBP on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:05 AM</span>

[waldemar2]

<DIV>I'd like to see you with 1 healer defeating a trash mob when your tank's got the elemental dot...</DIV> <DIV>Or fighting against K'hazid or Mistress Zhvari <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Comalv]

<blockquote><hr>Griffonage wrote:YES it can be done....though it may be tedious to do so... the key would be organization and control spellsZerker/GuardHealerIllusionistCoercerDPSDPSIF you keep the mob locked down with stuns and stifles ANDNo one uses DoTs so that everyone can stop dpsing on a dime and the enchanters can mezz and catch the tanks hp back up and let stun stilfe timers reset,  it could theoreticly be done.I've done this stop/start style gameplay on difficult named for levels upon levels...it isn't the reccomended method, its slow, it takes lots of coordination (ie voice communication) but it is fully feasible.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Last Named is Crowd Control immune afaik. and what healer would u bring? I knew some casters saying they could do HoF with just casters and a healer cause they thought they could keep the mobs rooted/stifled/stunned and ranged DPS all the time....they tried and wiped 10 times before they could reach the second named (iirc they killed the first one just because the templar tanked it <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) Your tactic is theoreticly valid, but in practice u would probably run out of gear before u get to the last boss<div></div>

[Analviper]

<DIV>Zerker/Paladin</DIV> <DIV>Coercer</DIV> <DIV>Inquisitor/Templar (Depends wether you want inq DPS buffs) </DIV> <DIV>Mystic</DIV> <DIV>Brigand/Swashy (Swashy with Zerker for hate buff and Brigand with Paladin for ammends purposes)</DIV> <DIV>Assassin/Dirge/Troub (Depends wether you want crazy buffs or overkill dps)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wouldnt Dream of going without mezzer</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the Question, I seriously doubt taking the last named and the Epic x4/x2 could be done. Thats assuming a single healer can deal with the flame claw up to that point as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Might i add it is so freshing to have a challenge in a group zone! Nizara ROCKS!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Feltrak]

<P>Without an enchanter I don't see Nizara being done with 1 healer. Unless you had an amazing troub or 2 troubs =D</P> <P>If you are only taking one healer, make it a warden. I'd still grab a chanter tho =/</P>

[pawnipt]

Last time i went we were pretty successfulSK (me) (could be zerker too in this situation)mysticwardendirgeconjmonkwe easly cleared the zone except for niz herself we needed to call in a coercer for mezz/charm.  Also had it without a mezz but then was chain tail lashed for high slashing damage and was unable to live!  even with very high slash mitigation it didnt help.  chanter really prefered for niz.I wouldnt recommend 1 healer for this zone if only for the simple fact aoe's do hit the mele dps and they need heals too.<div></div>