max defense?

[Erick_Stormfu]

<div>can you reach a max defense cap?  or is it just diminishing returns?</div><div> </div><div>i just noticed that when in defensive mode, and when i fire subdued rage off, i only gain .2% to avoidance.</div><div> </div><div>when in offensive mode, i gain about 8% in avoidance.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>anyone know what the defense cap is (if there is one?)</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>-Erick</div>

[WolfSha]

<P>It looked like 420 to me when i was playing around with it (at lvl 70), but i've heard 425 - it's one or the other lol</P>

[Montaigu]

<DIV>check out the + Defense thread in the Guardian forum.</DIV> <DIV>There is some really good information there in one of the links.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In KOS there has been tons of +defense items and in addition to subdued rage and courageous will, it is easy to max out your defense.  Currently Soft Capped at 420 at LVL 70.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I currently have +44 Defense from gear alone, then you factor in our Defensive Combat Arts which I think is another +33 (subdued rage M1) and +21 (Courageous Will AD1) (didnt see the point of upgrading to AD3, and havent found a master yet) is a total of +98 defense.  Currently that give me a defense of 460 when CA used.  Which would be a waste of precious modifiers on equipment, since in normal groups your probably not tanking mobs much higher than 70-71.  so what i am telling ya is I have the same basic problem as you, as i am basically wasting a short timer master 1 defense CA cause of my gear configuration.  Would make more sense to gear up for some other attribute that you are lacking in, unless you are tanking higher level mobs.  As it is generally accepted that the soft cap on defense increases with the level of the mob you are tanking.  Thats why it is a soft cap.  Thou you wont see the difference in the statistics tab on you UI.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So at level 70 the soft cap is Defense 420</DIV> <DIV>      at level 71 the soft cap is Defense 426 and so on .........level 75 the cap is at 450</DIV> <DIV>So as you can see, unless i was tanking a level 76 mob, I am not really getting the full benefit of my defense gear and combat arts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The reason you gain so much additional avoidance in Offensive Stance when using Suppressed Rage is that Offensive Stance effectively drops your Defense quite significantly (cant remember the amount atm), probably in your case, well below the soft cap, so when you use your CAs, you notice a significant improvement of Avoidance, because you actually benefited from the +defense of the CA.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does that help? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tasi3989]

425 is the word on the streets, even if it shows higher but just what I hear

[FightGame]

<DIV>well, after some testing I've found the max useable is 420.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have lots of +defense gear, and have put 8 AA points in the defense part of the agility line.  I can get up to 425 (without using our 30 second buff).  Then I take my belt off that has 12 agility and +5 defense, and put on a belt with just 12 agility (no defense), and it puts my defense at 420, and my avoidance is exactly the same.  However, when I put on my belt with +24 agility (defense still at 420), my avoidance continues to raise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've also put 8 points into the mitigation step in wisdom line.  Currently I'm sitting at 4578 mitigation and 62.8% avoidance (no 30 second buffs or potions etc...just defensive stance and normal tanking gear).  Can't wait to get some more relic<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since I'm at 420, I guess I can remove the one 30 second defense buff from my hotbar.  When I use it, my avoidance doesn't move at all.  Darn, that's one I had in master, too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit:  And I'm the one who said that I thought it was 425 in the other thread like this, because that's what I had heard, but not tested it myself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looks like maybe 420 divided by 70 (levels) = a max of 6 useable defense per level?  Maybe it doesn't work like this, I'm just guessing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by FightGame on <span class=date_text>04-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:03 AM</span>

[Henladar Bloodheart ~]

<DIV>Fightgame is right and it almost ticks me off lol. I dont have Agl line to give me plus defense yet in Defensive stance i got 426 defense,</DIV> <DIV>Reason it ticks me off is cause i spent 4p on the spongy loam for my raise defense spell and it does absoluteley nothing when im tanking.... LOL</DIV>