Why play a Berserker over a Monk? (honest input needed)

[Idrasti]

<div><div>First of all, I'm asking this seriously; not posting this to bait flames, etc.  I honestly want input and points to consider, as I am a noob to eq2  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>I want 1 thing as far as my char goes - a dps fighter that does massive dmg output - I dont care about tanking ability at all really.  Mainly interested in 1v1 PvP fights (not really epic PvE raids, or huge PvP battles)</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>ATM, I have a lvl 9 Berserker and a Lvl 6 Monk.  From what I've read, everyone is telling me that Monk will suit what I'm after better than a Zerker.  So far, I tend to agree - Monk has great dmg output and even self heals.</div><div> </div><div>So, my question to you guys is:  What good reasons are there for playing a Berserker over a Monk?  I wanna make sure Im not missing anything here.  Could you guys enlighten me a little <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div></div>

[Wraith of Do]

<div></div><p>Berzerkers still do decent damage for a tank, but since you don't mind tanking raids and such monk is probably the way to go. After reading ur article and seeing that your chars are both below lvl 20, I would like to suggest trying a bruiser.  This means you would have to be fp aligned, but they are excellent at PvP and have some spells I find generally more handy than monk spells (higher self heal, mezz, fear)  Overall for PvP, monk should do far better than the zerker due to its ability to unleash more dps. </p><p>However, the choice comes down to what you want</p><p>Monk: High dps, good single-target aggro, OT in raids, great PVP</p><p>Zerker: Good dps, excellent aggro control, MT in raids, good PvP</p><p>(Recommend trying Bruiser): High dps, good single-target aggro, OT, excellent PvP</p>

[Pegesus]

From what you stated you are looking for a zerker is not the way to go.Zerkers are pure tanks that put out good dps.  Yet we are not considered a true dps class.  We do alot of ae dps.Monks on the other hand are not tanks.  The are a true dps class for the fighters.  Their self heals are nice and they do alot of ae dmg as well.Lastly if you really want to consider a class.  Try a bruiser.  They have the highest dps outta all fighters and have a better self heal than monks do.  The do alot more Direcet Damage than monks or zerkers.  Not as much AE.So to answer your OP.  Their is no reason to play a zerker over a monk if all you want is a dps and don't really care about tanking.<div></div>

[Wildfury77]

MASSIVE DPS, reasonable tanking good at 1 on 1, solo play ------> your looking for a Bruiser(evil) or a Swashbuckler(good), a well equipped swashie has higher mitigation than a monk, nearly as high avoidance and does much more DPS, they also have the highest hitpoints of the scout class. They are not a true tanking class but CAN do so very well if needed, but you already said that wasn't a priority........so swashie or bruiser are my tips.<div></div>

[firewolf]

Monk and Bruiser are tank and not dps classes. They might not be able to tank some epicx4 orange con heroic as well as plate classes but they can tank as well as plate tank in just about any situation. One single mob target, their tanking can even be better than a plate tank. I've no idea where you get the idea that monk and bruiser are dps classes. They might be playing the dps role on raid but that does not mean that they are not tank. All 6 fighter classes are basically tank. If you do not care about tanking and only interested in melee dps, scouts are your only choice. With equal quality gear and combat arts, monk/bruiser dps will fall behind assassin, ranger, brigand and swashbuckler in a  raid and group.<div></div>

[atjtennis]

<div></div>I'd love to see a monk/bruiser MT HOF , not a raid zone, for certain things sure a monk/brusier can MT but they are more DPS even in groups not raids.  No other tank class can match their DPS even close.

[FightGame]

<div></div><div>Berserker can't heal ability like the others, but does have 2 in combat health regen's.</div><div> </div><div>But if you never plan on tanking, than a berserker really isn't a way to go.  Even more so after a few recent nerf's to our class.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Between the 2 classes you asked us to choose from, and they style of play you described, def. a monk.  You can deal more DPS on single encounters, and while not having as much mitigation, you will have more avoidance.  Along with the fact that you can fien death and safe fall.</div><div> </div><div>Hmm I have a question...can you safe fall while in battle?  If so you could run to the nearest cliff, jump, and have a little time while the enemy climbs down, to either continue running, or recharge some.  Maybe you could get lucky and have the enemy follow your jump, and simply die..lol....Would only be affective if you could do it in battle, and if you were fighting PVP of course, since a PVE enemy would simply appear at the bottom with you.</div><p>Message Edited by FightGame on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:19 PM</span></p>

[heel]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>atjtennis wrote:<div></div>I'd love to see a monk/bruiser MT HOF , not a raid zone, for certain things sure a monk/brusier can MT but they are more DPS even in groups not raids.  No other tank class can match their DPS even close.<hr></blockquote>The other night our guild froggy bruiser tanked the whole regular HoF instance. Given that he's lvl 70 and displayed all cards on foreplay, sure it was a nice sight to have. We had a defiler warding and me(warden) casting Sandstorm(adds avoidance boost) often. Also a dirge, a monk, an illusionist in group to boot. We had to root/debuff the heck of the certain named there, but surely could be done successfully - not to mention a big :smileyvery-happy: on da happy froggy!...Priceless! 

[infernus006]

If you are looking for "massive" DPS you are not going to get that from a Zerker.  We are more of a tanking class than a DPS class.  Bruisers have the highest potential DPS of all the fighters and Monks are a close second.<div></div>

[Dannd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> atjtennis wrote:<BR> I'd love to see a monk/bruiser MT HOF , not a raid zone, for certain things sure a monk/brusier can MT but they are more DPS even in groups not raids.  No other tank class can match their DPS even close.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Tanked HoF myself more than once - from start to finish - very challenging, but very rewarding - rewarding because most of my groups don't realize Bruisers/Monks are tanks.</P> <P>We are avoidance tanks.  Since we can only wear leather, we cannot take a beating as most plate tanks.  However, playing a level 70 Bruiser, I can tell you that there are times when I've had to take over from the plate tank because he wasn't getting the job done.  With my avoidance capped, I'm a hard target to hit.  The down side is that when I do get hit - it's really, really hard.  Inc. Healer!</P> <P>I'm not sure if we have the highest damage output out of all the fighter classes - we are definitely up there though.  Never mistake that we are purley DPS.  Leave that to the scouts.  We are tanks; better yet  -  we are high damage output tanks to the nth degree.  :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Rousso]

<P>The only reason I play a beserker over a monk is because I rolled the zerker first and am now at level 70. I am not about to restart another fighter class. If I were starting from scratch, however, I would pick a bruiser or a monk. They have much better DPS and tank about as well - sometimes much better - sometimes slightly worse  - than a zerker. The only real reason to chose a zerker is you get so much more to come to the forums and complain about.</P> <P> </P>

[med]

Two main reason why Zerkers are better tanks.Plate Armour, Better AOE Taunts.Sure Monks may advoid 99.99% of the attacks but when they get hit, they get hit really hard. Monks can't effectivly tank a group of mobs, it's a lot worse if there are any AoE damage dealers in the group (Zerkers, Whorelocks, etc)<div></div>