stop whining

[PhoenixTears]

<DIV>read the topic title... all you guys need to stop whining.. omg.. our class has been nerfed so bad.. blah blah blah.. </DIV> <DIV>thats bs.. if you cant tank well, cant do good dps, ect.. its because YOU suck and not your class... there are plenty of berserkers out there including me who can play our class very well and have no complaints.. so stop whining about every little change.. our class still makes an insane tank and dps dealer.</DIV>

[Memmoch]

This coming from a person that's posted all of 9 times.  This forum is here to bring up issues people feel need to be discussed.  Just because you don't agree with it dosn't mean it's not a valid concern.  Coming and posting on these boards with the topic "stop whining etc" is just asking to be flamed.  Having said that some of the posters here are whining, but some of the posts are valid complaints.  To group all of them up together and just lay a blanket statement down like you have done is....well short-sighted. <div></div>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=126608" target=_blank><SPAN>Memmoch</SPAN></A><BR><SPAN>Journeyman<BR>Posts: 68<BR>Registered: 12-20-2004 </SPAN><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>like you really posted that much more</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i totaly agree with the first poster....... ppl who says zerkers are weak needs to give it a rest, spend more time learning there class, and less time posting how much zerkers suck</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if they give us any more DPS / agro / defense / whatever we will be overpowered.....</DIV>

[Kage8]

I agree about the whinning, but. and im not whinning. our dps is fine our ability to take damage is fine we need to be able to keep agro better. and its not just us, i see agro problems from most fo the other tanks, excect pallys...=0) do me one fav, take the root off taunting defence and ill be happy. thks Skullz 58 Zerker BB <div></div>

[Switch9]

<P>IMHO the only thing thay they need to improve about our class is our AOE nukes. But all tank classes need it improved. WHen i run combat stats i am typically in the top 3 of dps when in a group. There is no problem there.</P> <P>-Ardant</P>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kage848 wrote:<BR><BR>do me one fav, take the root off taunting defence and ill be happy. thks<BR><BR>Skullz 58 Zerker<BR>BB<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and how is that going to help your agro? O_o</DIV>

[Exmortis_MT]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Memmoch wrote:<BR>This coming from a person that's posted all of 9 times.  This forum is here to bring up issues people feel need to be discussed.  Just because you don't agree with it dosn't mean it's not a valid concern.  Coming and posting on these boards with the topic "stop whining etc" is just asking to be flamed.  <BR><BR>Having said that some of the posters here are whining, but some of the posts are valid complaints.  To group all of them up together and just lay a blanket statement down like you have done is....well short-sighted.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What does post count have to do with his message?  even most of the good points raised here are done so in a kidnergarden his piece of pie ios bigger then my piece, whiney manner. <DIV>.</DIV> <DIV>So I agree with the OP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But to all the whiners credit, every class board is the exacly the same, since I have three different classes I track them all, and 95% of the threads are tripe, pure whiney drivel.  I dont think a dev worth his salt gives one rats petute what is said here any more.  i doubt one could count on the fingers of any one hand, the number of intelligent posts on any class board.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So round and round we go.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[bigbo]

<P> If I rem right berserkers started out as being a support role plate wearing class, gone is the prized group haste attack buff. They are now nothing more then second rate guardians having less taunting ability less hps and mitigation. What role do they fill in a group or raid...  since they also lost alot of the dps they once had. </P> <P> </P> <P>Or I could be wrong..   "Berserker: Chatoic warriors who inflict heavy damage with all maner of weapons.They protect themselfsby wearing heavy platemail armor. Their furious attacks overwhelm their oppents, to whom they show no mercy."   </P> <P> "Guardians:  Don the heaviest of armors to protect themselfs in combat and aid in the defense of their allies. They stand firm against any threat and bear the brunt of attacks while fellin opponents with any variety of weapons."</P> <P> taken from page 27 of boxed game hand book.</P> <P>now imo this means..  Berserkers  lighting fast, mass slaughter with no regards to ones own safety. Guardians protect and defend not just myself but those who are with me at all costs.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by bigbohg on <span class=date_text>11-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:27 AM</span>

[Sasaki Koji]

Burn your players manual. It speaks lies!

[Spike]

<DIV>^He speaks the truth.  I stopped at level 54 with my Berserker and it wasn't cause I felt we were nerfed, I got bored with the game not the class.  Berserkers are just fine, sure the devs could tweak some stuff.  The same can be said for any class, I personally like this class this way then it was before LU 13 because they made the game a challenge.  I am tired of the crying, but people will complain because they didn't envision this class the way it has turned out.  Back before i picked berserker my friend asked me "what I was gonna be guard or zerker."  He was like guards suck go zerker and I never regreted the descision because this class owns.  </DIV>

[scl]

Am I allowed to post here, or isn't my post count big enough? *rolls his eyes* <P> Seriously though, I agree with Sevin. Funnily enough, I've actually stopped playing my Berzerker and only use him on raids because I'm just not challenged by tanking anymore. It's too easy and therefore I find it quite boring. <P> I'm really not sure where the complaints about holding aggro are coming from. I've never had a problem. I've tanked a couple of raids since CU and even though I NEVER use a single CA when tanking a raid (unless he's about to drop and I have enough power left) I don't lose aggro. In fact, on some raids, where the riposte is high, I don't even have auto-attack on and I still don't lose aggro. <P> In a group situation it's almost laughable. Most of the time a taunt at the beginning of the fight will suffice. In group situations, I tank in offensive stance with a 2h (Either Cobalt Claymore or RGF), in those situations I am almost always in the top 2 dps in the group (I'm lucky enough to be in a static group of Warden, Fury, Wiz, Warlock & Pally). <P> Seriously, I just don't get it. Our aggro control is more than good, our dps is actually overpowered and our ability to take the shots are second to none. Broken class? Whatever. <P> Of course, most of the whiners won't believe me, but I have a parse of every fight I've done. If you want to see some, I'll post. <P> <blockquote> <hr> <b>bigbohg wrote:</b><P> They are now nothing more then second rate guardians having less taunting ability less hps and mitigation. <P> <HR> </blockquote> Do I even need to comment on this?<p>Message Edited by scl on <span class=date_text>11-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:01 AM</span>

[Blutzo]

<span><blockquote><hr>Exmortis_MT wrote: What does post count have to do with his message?  even most of the good points raised here are done so in a kidnergarden his piece of pie ios bigger then my piece, whiney manner. <div>.</div> <div>So I agree with the OP.</div> <div> </div> <div>But to all the whiners credit, every class board is the exacly the same, since I have three different classes I track them all, and 95% of the threads are tripe, pure whiney drivel.  I dont think a dev worth his salt gives one rats petute what is said here any more.  i doubt one could count on the fingers of any one hand, the number of intelligent posts on any class board.</div> <div> </div> <div>So round and round we go.</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote> <font size="5">QFE</font></span><div></div>

[Styk]

<P>The problem now is not gaining agro but REGAINING IT AFTER IT WAS LOST ( alot of figther types are dealing with this issue as well ) and the fact that defense for a berserker = crap dps ( alot of our agro ) ...........</P> <P>Taunt resist needs to go , if that is something that will never happen then a clear definiton on what are taunts are based off of ( ex. is it based off a check on str or attack or a certain resist etc ) none of this "randomness" we see currently.... also things like our Taunting Defense line needs to be reworked into a hate proc/DD buff with a concentration that can only be used in say "Shield mode" and lastly and this is for all FIGTHER TYPE Rescue needs to be brought down to a 5 min recast and it needs to be UNRESISTABLE ( how is it suppose to be an emergency type ability if it can be resisted ) </P> <P> I hope ANY Devs will decide to read this thread ......</P> <P>PS to the OP of this thread..... How long have you been a zerker and what lvl are you etc ? Also you know how many times we have been hit by the nerf bat right ? SO you asking for us to "stop whining" is kinda silly since our complaints are mostly about legitimate issues about our class </P>

[Sokolov]

<span><blockquote><hr>Exmortis_MT wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Memmoch wrote:This coming from a person that's posted all of 9 times.  This forum is here to bring up issues people feel need to be discussed.  Just because you don't agree with it dosn't mean it's not a valid concern.  Coming and posting on these boards with the topic "stop whining etc" is just asking to be flamed.  Having said that some of the posters here are whining, but some of the posts are valid complaints.  To group all of them up together and just lay a blanket statement down like you have done is....well short-sighted. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>What does post count have to do with his message?  even most of the good points raised here are done so in a kidnergarden his piece of pie ios bigger then my piece, whiney manner. <div>.</div> <div>So I agree with the OP.</div> <div> </div> <div>But to all the whiners credit, every class board is the exacly the same, since I have three different classes I track them all, and 95% of the threads are tripe, pure whiney drivel.  I dont think a dev worth his salt gives one rats petute what is said here any more.  i doubt one could count on the fingers of any one hand, the number of intelligent posts on any class board.</div> <div> </div> <div>So round and round we go.</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Yea, the whining is getting really tiresome.  I always giggle when I see a post that has "Don't NERF [some other class], improve us!"  It seems it's politically correct to say that now or something.  Wouldn't want anyone to think that a class might be too powerful!  No, that'd be wrong! ESPECIALLY when it's crafters who should be getting some attention, not you spoiled adventurers =P *winks*</span><div></div>

[Buggrit]

<DIV>yes i agree with stryker problem is regaining agro after you have lost it.</DIV> <DIV>IT IS A PAIN IN THE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]! i either have to use rescue or burn half my power trying to do it ....... </DIV> <DIV>the good thing i don't loose agro very often at all</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>my other complaint is group mobs sometimes it can be a pain if i pull multiple mobs i hold agro fine then 1 dies and the others decide they don't want to fight me anymore and want to fight everyone else and its a pain getting agro back its been getting better lately so maybe theres been a change or something</DIV>

[Laoch69]

I love posts that whine about not whining.... /boggle

[Norgoz]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Buggrit wrote:<div>yes i agree with stryker problem is regaining agro after you have lost it.</div> <div>IT IS A PAIN IN THE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]! i either have to use rescue or burn half my power trying to do it ....... </div> <div>the good thing i don't loose agro very often at all</div> <div> </div> <div>my other complaint is <b>group mobs sometimes it can be a pain if i pull multiple mobs i hold agro fine then 1 dies and the others decide they don't want to fight me anymore and want to fight everyone else</b> and its a pain getting agro back its been getting better lately so maybe theres been a change or something</div><hr></blockquote>This is a bug I'm not sure very many people may be familiar with, but it has been around as long as I can remember. To clarify the bug to those who may be thinking you just lost agro, here is an explination. It seems that when killing group mobs, when you kill a mob linked with the group, there's a random chance that the agro resets or completely wipes you off the hate list, because agro goes elsewhere and it is considerably hard to pull it back, even when burning ALL taunts and CAs. I'm not sure if the devs have recognized it or not, but this bug has been around since atleast March of this year. I've been playing since day 3 (due to collector's edition shipping problems), but I didn't hear about or experience this bug, until late March/early April. It really needs to be fixed, along with alot of other problems that have been over-looked in this game (namely mobs running inside walls, giving a line of sight problem so you "Can't See Target" to attack). Edit: Sorry I was off-topic. The reason we have people whining about changes and nerfs, is because we have continuously recieved countless nerfs since the game went live. Sure, that's to be expected for awhile, but the SoE team doesn't seem to stop changing our class. I think the community is to blame for this, however. People who don't know how to play their class complaining that Berserkers are out-damaging them is one of the most popular complaints. We seem to be heavy AE damage, whereas Scouts for instance, seem to be better against a single enemy with their strong backstabs. Our DPS is mostly situational, but the same could be said of all classes. We get extra hits off our counter-attacks that help with DPS (and agro). People don't seem to understand what Berserkers are and just don't want us to be Berserkers, so they whine and we get nerfed. I can name a few nerfs and bugs with zerkers offhand. Lowered old bloodlust from zerking off anyone in group getting hit, to only the Berserker getting hit. Changed berserk stacking to only 2 (or was it 3?), but I can understand this one. Lowered the damage on our Bloodrage proc, and changed it to encounter only. Broke the Fury line (at that time was about the equvilent to our current Weapon Shield line) and would NEVER comment if it was working as intended or not (unless I missed their reply). There was a long thread about it in one of the bug forums or something that many Berserkers, including myself, spoke up in. I'm sure there are others who can add to this list. You see, it's not so much that we don't like the changes, it's that we're tired of the changes. The community will still continue to say we're over-powered because Mithaniel forbid a tank does anything besides take damage and hold agro, and SoE will continue to nerf us until the community is happy with us as a high level Fighter instead of an actual class. Please note that I'm not whining, I'll do my complaining in the serverwide channel, I'm mearly stating the facts here.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Norgoz on <span class=date_text>11-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:25 PM</span>

[Kalak]

No I'm sorry, I must also completely agree No my post count isn't huge, but I would rather play the game (and own) than sit and whine on a forum I really enjoy tanking, mainly because I'm a beast and do more DPS in defensive stance than most of the raid (1700ish DPS in a Zek parse) And unless its a raid I tank in offensive stance, because again, I'm a beast and I can I agree the taunts are fubared, but Aggro is no issue for me, because oh the mobs are dead before they can run off on someone else ^.^ shame And BTW as far as I can tell sphere taunt is unresistable <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   -Kutulu Genesis <div></div>

[Durlinn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PhoenixTears wrote:<BR> <DIV>read the topic title... all you guys need to stop whining.. omg.. our class has been nerfed so bad.. blah blah blah.. </DIV> <DIV>thats bs.. if you cant tank well, cant do good dps, ect.. its because YOU suck and not your class... there are plenty of berserkers out there including me who can play our class very well and have no complaints.. so stop whining about every little change.. our class still makes an insane tank and dps dealer.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>There is nothing constructive, helpfull, or even informitive in this post. What kind of buffoon starts a thread whining about whiners?? Heres an idea. Why not find someone who is complaining, then post. Coming out here and spouting "YOU suck" is a great way to make a point. I, personally, have no problem holding aggro. But, that doesnt mean people that do have trouble suck.</DIV> <DIV>Do us a favor and ask your parents to change their passsword on their PC.</DIV>

[Raijinn]

<DIV>Shutting thread down due to flame bait.</DIV>