A Paladin's plea.....

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<DIV>Guys..im adressing your class in the hopes that we can resolve this. There are elements among your community that is asking for Paladin nerfs. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am hoping this is not indicative of Bersekers as a whole. I have personally never seen Paladins asking for a Berseker nerf. Not even when we had the worst aggro of any plate tank. Not now, when we have the worst DPS of any tank..actually Guards and Palys share this, with Guards probably having a little worse DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All plate tanks need to work together. Our mitigation needs work, our power too..specially those of us who use alot of power with our skills, like Crusaders and Bers. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since this game came about, the Crusader had been probably the least desired tank, after monks and bruisers. It took us months to get our stuff fixed, our spells looked, and our issues like ranged items fixed...only to find other tanks now calling for nerfs to us. We have the worst avoidance, mitigation, hitpoints, and DPS of any tank, except one. We take more damage than you guys, about 25% more. Its been parsed and confirmed by the Devs. Our STA gives us less hit points per point  than yours.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thats why we have heals and wards. Thats why we have our aggro skills. I have never stolen aggro off a zerker, but it has been stolen from me many a times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My point in all this is not to say which tank is better or worse. My point in all this is to put a stop to the nerf calling between tanks, specially plate tanks. None of us can afford it at this point. I dont play a Zerker. I dont know how much of a hit you're taking, but I do know how much of a hit Crusaders will take if we get our aggro nerfed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have stood up for bruisers, monks, guards, Sk's..and if you guys get your aggro nerfed, then Paladins will be right there, like we always have, arguing your case.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Calling for nerfs among ourselves serves no purtpose whatsoever, other than to cause fights and discord among tanks, and specially plate classes. Please, im asking you to re-think this stance before it gets out.</DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by uzhiel feathered serpent on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:35 AM</span>

[Buggrit]

<DIV>i don't think anyone here has asked for a pally nerf u sure u have right forum:smileyindifferent:</DIV> <DIV> if anything i think pallys need to be tuned up abit</DIV>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

<DIV>i got 2 higher level pallys in my guild, i really dont see them as better then my zerker, they just work diffrent then i do...... i enjoy the small heals they got, makes duoing really easy</DIV>

[FlameingInfer]

<DIV>I read the forums alot and have personaly never seen a request to "Nerf a Pally"  Please link the page so we can all take a look</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Secondly i would <U>REALLY</U> love to see the Dev post on you guys takeing more dammage than us.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Third i would <U>REALLY</U> love to see the Pally post argueing our "case"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please link those so we can all take a look.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Thanks bunches</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>**Kiss** **Kiss**</DIV>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=16693#M16693" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=16693#M16693</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second..I said I WOULD argue your case..just like I argued the Guards case and still am, and just like I argued Bruiser/ monks before hand..and just like I still argue the mitigation case for ALL plate tanks. If you dont believe me look at my posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Third, I cant [Removed for Content] find the post where the devs said Crusaders had the lowest hit points because they had heals and wards to counter it..but its out there somewhere..I'll have to keep looking. :smileywink:</DIV><p>Message Edited by uzhiel feathered serpent on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:30 AM</span>

[Buggrit]

bah it was styker that said it ignore him he doesn't know what hes talking about half the time as much as he thinks he does <div></div>

[Fazzarya]

<DIV>Yea check Styker's reply to me in this thread.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=16670" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=16670</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He has some kind of hard-on for Paladins. So don't worry to much. At least he cares though, misguided or not it's better then apathy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Paladins becoming better tanks will not make my friends and peers choose one over me. That's the way it should be in mmorgs. Develop relationships and kick some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] together!</DIV>

[Styk]

Buggrit before you make claims about me not knowin the berserker class i suggest you get to 60 first as a berserker then come make that claim

[Styk]

I was gonna give a retort to fazzarya and buggrit but they arent even worth wasting my time on... at least Uzhiel has substance in his retort......  

[Buggrit]

<DIV>:smileyvery-happy: wow yes quick i must rush to 60 i forgot a 60 the devs send u a tell with all the knowledge on EQ2 so u instantly know everything</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ding lvl 60</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(Dev tells you)</DIV> <DIV>hi gratz on lvl 60 you instantly now know everything about the game and how it works you will now also make yourself look like a complete tool on the forums</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you and have a nice day</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> but there again i forgot anyone who doesn't share your vision is wrong so mainly 90% of the  Berserker population</DIV><p>Message Edited by Buggrit on <span class=date_text>11-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:08 AM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<P>Buggrit, your level 38, you really arent one to talk on experience or knowledge my friend. Strykr knows his stuff, and he knows it well, he is just very vocal about it like anyone is who loves the class with a passion, myself included. I dont think there is many Zerkers around anymore that have been around since launch, im one and so is he, not saying we know everything, but we have the experience to back it up.</P> <P>Uzhiel check <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=16905" target=_blank><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>this</STRONG></FONT></A> thread out bro, i think you will like it.</P> <P> </P>

[Buggrit]

<DIV>i still think hes an idiot /shrug</DIV>

[FlameingInfer]

<DIV>Come on guys, we are all zerkers here,   don't hate each other, Hate the other Tank Classes!!  LOL</DIV>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<DIV>OK, guys, how hard did LU16 hit your aggro? I know SK's got hit pretty hard, so a couple of Palys and myself mobilized on their behalf. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is it bad? if so, I think I can scrounge up some people to back you guys up. Now, you guys might say [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] are a couple of Palys gonna do for us, but nothing gets the devs attention more than when a tank class says another one is gimped and needs love.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Styk]

<DIV>Uzhiel , ill admit that im a little heated about the tank agro situaiton currently between fighters and i should have used better words in comparing skills ( so my apologies is i called paladins as a an example ) ... But zerkers need some love in the agro dept... we are hurting pretty bad... I just hope sony gets their head out of their rears and help us all out agro wise.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<P>Its ok bro..I've been pretty frustrated myself. I posted about plate tank aggro and tank aggro in general in the spells, abilities, and combat forum.</P> <P>Im deployed with the Military right now, so I have time at night to log in and post. I'll push this issue as much as I can, and I know some other Palys that will help. :smileytongue:</P> <P>I'm pretty persistent, if nothing else!</P>