Berserkers are still superior

[Selo]

<DIV>This is not a flame but a simple request from the berserker community.</DIV> <DIV>We are still superior to the tanking class. Do you guys not realize that? When I come to these boards, all I hear about is nerf this, nerf that, omg I'm going to play vanguard. Can we not show a little class and not act like the rest of the EQ2 community? We whine and whine about having the best dps, we whine about holding agro, we whine about being able to tank period. This was said back then since the beginning of the game, it all depends on the player. You people have to look beyond the numbers and actually focusing on doing your job. I mean our dps COULD be bad like guardians, but its not so we still have an edge on the people that we SHOULD have an edge on. Before CC we were considered gods, 2nd in tankage and possibly first in DPS? I'm pretty sure most of you guys felt that nerf bat coming. But all in all, 2 months after the CC and people are still complaining about how we can't outdps an assassin. We have to focus on our job and just forget the small competition. So LU16 is coming out tommorow, we lose  2 targets in our Offensive Stance proc and the damage is slightly reduced..um ok? If you're fighting a raid mob with 6 targets and you're targetting the main mob..you'll still proc to that main mob..isn't that holding agro? All this "our agro abilities are going to be seriously reduced" need to not overreact to this stuff I mean really. If you knwo what to do then you guys will be fine. And whoever said that our Wall of Rage is useless now? I would gladly take mitigation over avoidance anyday... But back to my point, lets get a grip guys, we are hated by every tank class out there because we still have the best of both worlds and den sum. And last thing...can we please stop making these petty threats of going to play vanguard? That is the most childish thing ever...you think they would pay attention to that? If you're going to play vanguard...just quit now and don't waste anyone's time...or your own.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raive Mooshi</DIV> <DIV>60 Berserker</DIV> <DIV>Equinox</DIV>

[Mjollnyr]

<span><blockquote><hr>Selonx wrote:<div> And whoever said that our Wall of Rage is useless now? I would gladly take mitigation over avoidance anyday...</div> <div> </div> <div>Raive Mooshi</div> <div>60 Berserker</div> <div>Equinox</div><hr></blockquote>60 something agi traded for 600-800 mitigation against physical. Thats an upgrade anyday. Also has a 20-25% proc rate now. more snare = more agro Lowered mana cost, 113ish to 35ish mana cost does not suck either Agreed Raive, I enjoy the Berserker class in its current form. Mmorgs have a cycle of 'nerf', 'fix', 'nerf', 'fix'. Classes that suck become great, then back down to suck, and vice versa. In the end, play what you like, not just the 'flavor of the month'. If you like the 'flavor of the month' then expect to change classes every month <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span><div></div>

[Halc]

<P>You are right in saying that threating to play another game because you don't like the changes is childish and serves no purpose. However, I disagree that we shouldn't speak our minds about the changes. I'm not talking about whining posts with little facts, but there are many well written, well thought out posts both for and against the changes. I believe they help the game in the long run (well at least if they are read from someone in SoE, which we don't know is happening since we havn't gotten a response from any of them regarding our concerns).</P> <P>This is not a post to flame you or critize you in any way. My point is that if we don't speak up SoE will have no idea what are the general opinions of people who play berserkers concerning the changes they make to our class.</P>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

<P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffcc>I couldn’t agree more...... I couldn’t be more happy about my berserker, my class is the ONE thing I can’t whine about, because my berserker rules.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffcc>But I don’t mind all the people that comes here to whine about how much they think berserkers suck, and that we got nerfed, because they make me laugh, they must be REALLY bad players.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffcc>Last night I was in a full raid, lots of wizards rangers assassins and warlocks etch. And my raid leader gave me a night off from main tanking, because I asked for just 1 night off to try my DPS out, and I was quite happy to see I was number 3 to 6 best DPS out of the entire raid</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffcc>I hold solid agro, warlocks and wizard love me, Guardians hate me, I do awesome DPS, I can take a good beating, so to anyone who still think we suck currently, or will after Lu16… you might need to rethink your play style, because I promise you, you are doing something very wrong</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffcc>PS. < never lost a duel</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Gumse on <span class=date_text>11-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:25 PM</span>

[obedi]

<DIV>I agree completely, At first with the nerf came i was angry and i thought there was no hope, but i am not a quiter and i happen to know how to play this game fairly well. I respeced twice, got new gear and more new gear and tried new stradegies and now i almost think i am more effective then i was before. I had to relearn my Zerker. And yes before the patch we were Gods. </DIV> <DIV><BR>I am always the MT in my group, we are a small group of RL friends, and i am the only plate class in our group. I have never ever had a problem, pre or post patch, holding agro and we have a wizzy and a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] stabbing rogue in our group. so i have dps to compete with. Running combat stats on an average i will out dps them on most longer fights. sure they will get a 2000 hp backstab or something. but overall i usually out dps them. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zerkers are still powerful and still one of the most diverse tanks you can play. All of this crying about what SOE is doing to us is one of the main reasons you are not getting groups. you think no one but zerkers look at this forum? you think this crap doesnt travel fast throughout the community?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The fact of the matter is if you think you are all uber and you dont swallow your pride and do some research and change the way you play your zerker, buy some new gear, do a respec or two. Try some new tactics. then your right your useless. not your class, YOU and you will NEVER be worth a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] being a zerker. They have made the zerker class one of the most fun classes  to play cause its not a mindless button pushing class anymore. you actually have to use your brain. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All the talk of Vanguard... Vangaurd isnt even on the same level as EQ2 its a total different play style and game all together. EQ2 was developed for a different play style then EQ, If you are wanting EQ2 to be the same as EQ or what Vangaurd is suppose to be, then i have a big problem with you. I played EQ for years and i got way tired of it. i came here to be a laxed casual player. If you want the other type go to EQ 1 and wait for Vanguard. but stop trying to push your elitist views off on EQ2. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>Ilias</DIV>

[TheyLi]

Actually from the looks of it, there's less whining here than just about any other class forum, and it's not unreasonable to demand an explanation when devs are nerfing a class for no apparent reason, with no compensation for said nerfs. My berserker is only a low lvl alt, but seeing the class get nerfed in every LU doesn't really make me want to level it any higher.. especially after I compare it to my 50 bruiser. SOE needs to stop nerfing and start making every class as worthwhile to play as bruisers are now.

[obedi]

<DIV>Im happy for you and your bruiser...however i dont see any class being up to the level of your bruiser ever cause Moorgard doesnt play a bezreker.. DOh did i say that? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ilias</DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheyLive wrote:<BR> Actually from the looks of it, there's less whining here than just about any other class forum, and it's not unreasonable to demand an explanation when devs are nerfing a class for no apparent reason, with no compensation for said nerfs. My berserker is only a low lvl alt, but seeing the class get nerfed in every LU doesn't really make me want to level it any higher.. especially after I compare it to my 50 bruiser. SOE needs to stop nerfing and start making every class as worthwhile to play as bruisers are now.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>That is very true, the reason there nerfing Fury line for Berserkers is as they state, because its a aoe, thats not a good enough reason to be honest and i cant see why they couldnt just decrease the amount of damage it did and left it as a aoe encounter only ability instead of reducing it too 3 targets.</P> <P>Seems to me judging by the patch messages that every class is getting adjusted some way or another ( except Bruisers and a few others ) and they just had a knee jerk reaction to kill the offensive stance.</P> <P>Myself, i dont use the skill, i tank mostly and have no trouble holding agro in defensive stance so the nerf to this ability will not effect me, but thats the way i chose to play my char, i chose to be a more defensive / offensive tank, i still do more damage then a guardian even when in defensive mode, so im happy like that.</P> <P>The part about Bruisers is so true its not funny, we gave up using Guardians as MT's now on raids and just go with the Bruisers with Guards buffing them, as for situational tanking vs the mobs we are better designed to resist, i dont even believe that resist checks are working correctly anyway. </P> <P>Take for example Carpet Quest #3 where you have to go kill the guy in Maj'Dul who does Ice Comet for a crazy amount, i had maxed cold resist at 70%, he Ice Cometed me off the bat on the pull and because i was pulling him to a safe location so Sha'iir didnt agro during the fight, he nuked me for 12k, so after noticing alot of the same thing happening on raids also i asked the Guard who was in the group to tank him and let Ice Comet hit him to test it, he had 37% cold resist, and was nuked for a tad under 12k, was like 11400 or so.</P> <P>Same thing happened in Silent City x4 epic instance, with the named vampire on bottom floor, we used a Paladin to tank who had over 65% posion resists and he was getting hit for like 6-7k by the aoe he does, most of the melee around him when it popped died instantly, we tryed him a few times and decided to try a Guardian and Berserker who both only had around the 45-50% posion resist mark and same again, no difference.</P> <P>Seeing we have had this problem on more then one occasion, we just stick with the Bruiser to save maximum power due to him hardly ever getting hit anyway, and save our power for AoE heals seeing 90% of DoF raid content is aoe based anyway.</P>

[kono]

<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <HR> i dont even believe that resist checks are working correctly anyway. <P>Take for example Carpet Quest #3 where you have to go kill the guy in Maj'Dul who does Ice Comet for a crazy amount, i had maxed cold resist at 70%, he Ice Cometed me off the bat on the pull and because i was pulling him to a safe location so Sha'iir didnt agro during the fight, he nuked me for 12k, so after noticing alot of the same thing happening on raids also i asked the Guard who was in the group to tank him and let Ice Comet hit him to test it, he had 37% cold resist, and was nuked for a tad under 12k, was like 11400 or so.</P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I resisted his Ice Comet just fine last night.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>najena.konk</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by konofo on <span class=date_text>11-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:56 AM</span>

[uux]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>-Aonein- wrote:<p>[...]Take for example Carpet Quest #3 where you have to go kill the guy in Maj'Dul who does Ice Comet for a crazy amount, i had maxed cold resist at 70%, he Ice Cometed me off the bat on the pull and because i was pulling him to a safe location so Sha'iir didnt agro during the fight, he nuked me for 12k, so after noticing alot of the same thing happening on raids also i asked the Guard who was in the group to tank him and let Ice Comet hit him to test it, he had 37% cold resist, and was nuked for a tad under 12k, was like 11400 or so.</p><hr><p></p></blockquote></span><span><p>At level 53, his hardest hit was around 6k to me.  I wasn't left standing after that to find out if it got worse.  My cold resist at the time was just over 5200.  He is a level 55 mob, and this might have something to do with it.  However, I noticed that I can see his casting animations.  They're actually quite obvious.  Your interrupts and stuns work just fine against him and with the quick casting time now they're quite easy to use against him.  You have a focus debuff that makes the job even easier.  I've never been blasted by him since.</p><p>The djinn on the last carpet quest also has a nasty magic attack.  You can treat him the same way.  As for his two pets, they're a different story.</p><p></p><blockquote></blockquote></span><div></div>

[obedi]

<P>very nice reply and helpful! thanks UUX  for the tips i too am 53 and found your info useful. This is more of the kind of posts i think we should see more of in the Zerker forums. </P> <P> </P> <P>Ilias</P>

[FlameingInfer]

<P>Several times I have stated in other posts that I personaly like my zerker.  This could be in part because I have no experince in other classes. </P> <P> My main concern is the rest of the population that thinks zerkers suck.  I'm not refering to "Dueling"  I pwn lotz of people in dueling.  My main </P> <P>gripe is that pre LU13 our main role was to buff the MT raid group for about 1500hp.  and it annoyed me that no one wanted us to be the MT in a </P> <P>raid.  As it stands right now we have nothing to bring to a raid to benifit it.  DPS you say??  WIzzy, Scouts and Monks get picked everytime over </P> <P>me.  Utility you say??  What utility??  our little bit of haste (group berserk) that from what I understand is being nerfed to only proc for the group </P> <P>when the target dies.  what good is that?  in a normal group its pointless because you will have most everyone out of melee range and only you</P> <P> and the scout upclose to be able to use it.   our dinky HP regen you say?? ROFL thats about a joke if i ever saw one.  why not just grab a pally </P> <P>who can outright heal himself and other group members and put wards on them.  This is the thinking of general public, and I for one am sick of it.      </P> <P> </P> <P> Look all im saying is I would like to be a part of this game again. SOE states that each tank class can tank a different mob better than another </P> <P>tank.  Personaly I have yet to see this and have been able to convince no one of this.  (also if you read a few of the other posts. others in this </P> <P>forum are haveing the same problems getting hit for the same amount, example the ice comet comment above)   Even if i cant be the Raid MT </P> <P>at least give me something to insure my spot in a group.</P>

[Selo]

<DIV>I can't tell you have to play your character or how to enjoy your character, I am only going off of my personal experiences. I'll respond to each individual post:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Halcat: I agree 100% that you should express your opinions to SOE concerning berserkers. Open opinion is always good. However some people take it too far and turn it in to a "Fix this or I leave" type arguement and makes it lose all value to the devs. You know these posts when you see them. But I like reading posts that expresses concerns to why this is happening or what will be the result. We have to keep it professional  or the devs will overlook it because they think a bunch of little kids wrote it. In the end, just express CONCERN, don't DEMAND. Demands never work :p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gumse: Same here. Guardians hate me, I hold [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good agro. I main tank alot in raids or play the off tank role, either is fine by me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>obediah: Zerkers and Guardians have got to be the biggest quiters in the game. If we are like that in a game, I just wonder how some of us are in real life. We sometimes have to stop and think that if this game is so bad, then why are we still playing up to this point heh. I don't think any of us could even dream about making a game of this magnitude and have people to stick with it. It takes dedication to win now :p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>TheyLive: Whoever made the word "nerf" needs to be slapped. Lets not use that because when we use the word "nerf" it brings more negativity to the post. Lets use fixing instead. I know people have so much concerns for bruisers. But when you think about it, and this is from what I read/see. Even though bruisers are quote to be the overpowered beasts of the game, people STILL use guardians and zerkers as MT in raids or in groups. Brusiers are just there if guards or zerks arent' there. And not to mention, bruisers aren't as good as some think, their mitigation in raids is just as high as guards or zerks. And their agro hold skills are trash and who wants a tank that can't hold agro :p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aonein: Vision of Madness took the Ice Comet for me and I lived, he casted it on me like within the first 30 seconds and after that he didn't do it anymore. VoM always saves against one hit kills and after that the battle is over :p And btw, you're don't use Unbridled Fury at all? Hrm useless zerker :p I mean I use D Stance or O Stance while tanking, it just depends what mob I'm tanking to determine if he hits harder enough for me to use D Stance. Either one works, but NOT using a stance is just a waste. And if your guild uses a Brusier over a plate tank for everything..then your plate tanks must be doing something wrong or your bruiser must be the next thing to god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>konk: I did too <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Resists ftw</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>FlameingInferno: This is the one I've been waiting to dig into. See I hardly see a situation where a zerker is asked to sit out a raid or has to "insure" a spot. This all comes down to who is creating the raid and what raid you are doing and so forth. Every class is superior IF they are placed properly (bards, chanters, defilers...). Your utility comes from your diversity and situational skills to do anything. You can tank (if you have the correct gear), and you can do decent dps (if you have the proper weapons). We are apart of the game. If you haven't seen the diversity on how each tanks can tank then you need to keep lookin because it is very different amongst the tanks. Guardians rely on pure taunting because they have no dps period. Berserkers rely on taunts AND some dps. Paladins rely on taunts/debuffs. Shadowknights rely on taunts/spells/debuffs. To me that seems pretty different to me :p Basically I look at it as this. They made it so that us tanks aren't like gauranteed to be good. It is made where now you can't just grab some random tank and say taunt this and he'll hold agro, he has to do a little bit more. Same goes for dps, spamming skills doesn't always do the job when it comes to dps. And aside that, everyone is saying that for their class "we have no role in a raid". Im sorry to say but that statement is complete bs. Either you're doing something wrong on how you display your character or your raid leader doesn't know what he/she is doing when it comes to forming groups, bottomline.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raive Mooshi</DIV> <DIV>60 Berserker</DIV> <DIV>Equinox</DIV>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlameingInferno wrote:<BR> <P>Several times I have stated in other posts that I personaly like my zerker.  This could be in part because I have no experince in other classes. </P> <P> My main concern is the rest of the population that thinks zerkers suck.  I'm not refering to "Dueling"  I pwn lotz of people in dueling.  My main </P> <P>gripe is that pre LU13 our main role was to buff the MT raid group for about 1500hp.  and it annoyed me that no one wanted us to be the MT in a </P> <P>raid.  As it stands right now we have nothing to bring to a raid to benifit it.  DPS you say??  WIzzy, Scouts and Monks get picked everytime over </P> <P>me.  Utility you say??  What utility??  our little bit of haste (group berserk) that from what I understand is being nerfed to only proc for the group </P> <P>when the target dies.  what good is that?  in a normal group its pointless because you will have most everyone out of melee range and only you</P> <P> and the scout upclose to be able to use it.   our dinky HP regen you say?? ROFL thats about a joke if i ever saw one.  why not just grab a pally </P> <P>who can outright heal himself and other group members and put wards on them.  This is the thinking of general public, and I for one am sick of it.      </P> <P> </P> <P> Look all im saying is I would like to be a part of this game again. SOE states that each tank class can tank a different mob better than another </P> <P>tank.  Personaly I have yet to see this and have been able to convince no one of this.  (also if you read a few of the other posts. others in this </P> <P>forum are haveing the same problems getting hit for the same amount, example the ice comet comment above)   Even if i cant be the Raid MT </P> <P>at least give me something to insure my spot in a group.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>they have given me more then enough to insure my spot in the raid every single time, and we have more then 10 poeple who gets bumped, one thing that reserves me a spot in the raids is player skill, i take what i got and i put it to good use</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in the guild im in we have 10 active level 51+ berserkers (yea its insane) and i am never in doubt that i will! be in the raid, </DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> konofo wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <HR> i dont even believe that resist checks are working correctly anyway. <P>Take for example Carpet Quest #3 where you have to go kill the guy in Maj'Dul who does Ice Comet for a crazy amount, i had maxed cold resist at 70%, he Ice Cometed me off the bat on the pull and because i was pulling him to a safe location so Sha'iir didnt agro during the fight, he nuked me for 12k, so after noticing alot of the same thing happening on raids also i asked the Guard who was in the group to tank him and let Ice Comet hit him to test it, he had 37% cold resist, and was nuked for a tad under 12k, was like 11400 or so.</P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I resisted his Ice Comet just fine last night.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>najena.konk</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by konofo on <SPAN class=date_text>11-08-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:56 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No saves dont effect your chances to resist the spell, saves effect your absorbation of the spell IE: Cold 90 = You will <STRONG><U>absorb</U></STRONG> 6.0% of the cold damage from a level 15 opponent ( i was on my newbie alt i made for [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s and giggles.) not resist.</P> <P>Over the last 55 levels ive come to notice that your chances to resist spells from mobs are increased more with level if anything.</P>

[JediAveng]

<P>If we want to quit - we can quit - and if we want to complain why we are quiting - we can do that to. Every single Zerker in my guild has quit except for me - I'm last one not to quit - yet. We are the largest guild in the permafrost server. You know you have a problem when everyone quits like its going out of style.</P> <P> </P> <P>Berserkers are far from superior. They down right stink.  They are middle of the pack in tanking - toward the bottom in damage, with 3 minute spurts of damage that other classes get on a regular basis. I hate this class - I cringe when I log on. I just dont enjoy the class - and I dont have the time or energy to lvl up another class. My time is coming soon. What a waste of time. They did it to me in EQ1 and now they did it to me in EQ2. Last time I will ever play a sony product. I'll give them a few months before I hang it up for good.</P><p>Message Edited by JediAvenger on <span class=date_text>11-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:10 PM</span>

[Mat]

<DIV>I am still happy as a zerker as long as I can weild my Pristine Imbued Cobalt Executioner Axe while tanking in offensive stance with full pristine cobalt & vanadium covered. I do agree that we are doing kinda too much damage on times but I wish the nerf won't kill the whole concept of zerker: <STRONG>the fun of mowing down bunch of mobs like ground meat.</STRONG> <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Matek on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:28 PM</span>

[KFizzle]

<DIV>i Know its not quite the main point of this thread but since it's on here i'll talk about it a second, the dude from Carpet quest 3 is SIMPLE for a zerker to MT if you do it how i did it.</DIV> <DIV><BR>Let me preface by saying I am a level 53 zerker, and we had a group with a 50 Inquis, Me as MT a 54 Mystic, a 48 wizzy and a 55 wizzy. I didn't have any crazy high resist or anything. I Hailed him, the second he starts to agro i hit em with Bully, then just went on a stun/interrupt run and i never dropped past yellow and only into yellow for a second. Just hit him with Bully, then Brutal Pledge, then shield rush, hit em with another taunt because your Wizzys are gunna bomb him...then just begin with your other stuns/interrupts like Stunning Roar.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We're gettin our AOE's 'nerfed', our single target DPS isnt what it was, BUT thankfully our Interrupt/stuns are still pretty good ... and come in handy quite often. </DIV>

[philgon]

Accurate Post

[Sasaki Koji]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> -Aonein- wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> konofo wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <HR> i dont even believe that resist checks are working correctly anyway. <P>Take for example Carpet Quest #3 where you have to go kill the guy in Maj'Dul who does Ice Comet for a crazy amount, i had maxed cold resist at 70%, he Ice Cometed me off the bat on the pull and because i was pulling him to a safe location so Sha'iir didnt agro during the fight, he nuked me for 12k, so after noticing alot of the same thing happening on raids also i asked the Guard who was in the group to tank him and let Ice Comet hit him to test it, he had 37% cold resist, and was nuked for a tad under 12k, was like 11400 or so.</P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I resisted his Ice Comet just fine last night.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>najena.konk</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by konofo on <SPAN class=date_text>11-08-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:56 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No saves dont effect your chances to resist the spell, saves effect your absorbation of the spell IE: Cold 90 = You will <STRONG><U>absorb</U></STRONG> 6.0% of the cold damage from a level 15 opponent ( i was on my newbie alt i made for [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s and giggles.) not resist.</P> <P>Over the last 55 levels ive come to notice that your chances to resist spells from mobs are increased more with level if anything.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It doesnt just depend on your resist, it also matters what lvl your char is vs the mob lvl. if youre lvl 50 zerker taking a lvl55 ice comet, its going to hurt alot more than if you were lvl56+ taking a lvl55 ice comet. My lvl60 SK cant be killed in 1 shot by that ice comet with 2k cold resist, simply because my mit scales higher than what it shows because of the lvl difference. <p>Message Edited by Sasaki Kojiro on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:26 AM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sasaki Kojiro wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> -Aonein- wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> konofo wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <HR> i dont even believe that resist checks are working correctly anyway. <P>Take for example Carpet Quest #3 where you have to go kill the guy in Maj'Dul who does Ice Comet for a crazy amount, i had maxed cold resist at 70%, he Ice Cometed me off the bat on the pull and because i was pulling him to a safe location so Sha'iir didnt agro during the fight, he nuked me for 12k, so after noticing alot of the same thing happening on raids also i asked the Guard who was in the group to tank him and let Ice Comet hit him to test it, he had 37% cold resist, and was nuked for a tad under 12k, was like 11400 or so.</P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I resisted his Ice Comet just fine last night.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>najena.konk</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by konofo on <SPAN class=date_text>11-08-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:56 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No saves dont effect your chances to resist the spell, saves effect your absorbation of the spell IE: Cold 90 = You will <STRONG><U>absorb</U></STRONG> 6.0% of the cold damage from a level 15 opponent ( i was on my newbie alt i made for [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s and giggles.) not resist.</P> <P>Over the last 55 levels ive come to notice that your chances to resist spells from mobs are increased more with level if anything.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It doesnt just depend on your resist, it also matters what lvl your char is vs the mob lvl. if youre lvl 50 zerker taking a lvl55 ice comet, its going to hurt alot more than if you were lvl56+ taking a lvl55 ice comet. My lvl60 SK cant be killed in 1 shot by that ice comet with 2k cold resist, simply because my mit scales higher than what it shows because of the lvl difference. <P>Message Edited by Sasaki Kojiro on <SPAN class=date_text>11-09-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:26 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I was lvl 54 with over 5k resists which maxs out at 70%, and the Guardian was lvl 56 with just a little over 37% cold resist and we both took same amount of damage from the Ice Comet.</P> <P>Like i pointed out also, those who raid will see this same thing also, you ether have 3 chances, one is for the spell to acually check against your resist, two you resist it completely or three it totally ignores your resist check and does full damage, lvl 60 toons vs God King taking 8 - 10k AoE damage is one example while having 70% disease resist.</P> <P>The guy on the bottom floor, the vampire in Silent City giving out 10k+ posion PB AoE is another while having maxed out posion resist vs lvl 60 toons.</P> <P>But then other times, we can go in there and raid these mobs and only get hit for 2k Posion dmg or 3k disease, just depends on the roll of the dice, it ethier checks, resists or ignores, whats it going to be.</P>

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