Show of Hands!- Who doesnt play Zerkers anymore??

[FlameingInfer]

<DIV>Ok I stole this idea from the Guardian page, seems alot of them arent happy.  Personaly I have gotten very board in the past 3 weeks and not sure what Im gonna do.  Takeing another 5 months to get an alt to 50/60 just to find out I dont like that toon doesnt sound like much fun to me.  </DIV> <DIV>I'm not sure if it is the Zerker I dont like, or what the game has become.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So,  anyone retire their Zerker and try something else?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Risker]

<DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Me.  I still play him to harvest and sell from and craft thats it.</FONT></DIV>

[FlameingInfer]

<DIV>Ok, second question:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> If you dont play your zerker anymore, What race/class are you playing now??</DIV>

[dremtak]

NEVER RETIRE.......I WILL PREVAIL!!!!!!! <div></div>

[Zhonata]

<P>Granted this opinion is Pre LU16 (Our offense and procing getting nerfed)</P> <P>I have come to like my beserker again after LU13. Granted we must stay in offensive mode to tank which make or defense lacking we still hold up very well. I have all adept taunts, buffs,  offensive buffs, and some attacks. My defese is waiting to get upgrade as i grow into the adept 3's. I do think it is sad, but you really have ot have adept 3 to hold your own as it is i do. I can tank with assasins and mages going full tilt and still gold aggro. Granted there are those few times when ranger swashies and stuff steal it, but they will do that to any tank if they go over board.</P> <P>This current nerf looks as tho it is going to effect our offensive damage a great deal. WIth our offensive damage going down, proc rate, and number of target we effect it looks to be that our a ggro will be going  with it. Let hope not. </P> <P>Srry for those of u that cant afford adept taunts and cobalt armor and weapons, but these are pretty much the only way you will be effective. I have dps calss constantly complmenting me on my abilty to hold aggro of them and protect them while still doing decent damage.</P> <P>I play when tanking in offensive or no mode most of the time with shield and axe.</P>

[FlameingInfer]

<DIV>I've got full cobalt (lvl 60 armorer) full vanadium (w/ 3 rings, STR, STA, AGI) and all adept 3's from lvl 45 to current lvl.  Thats not the issue really.  We have no utility, we arent good for anything in a group really.  What do we bring??  a little buff heal per tick that is a joke? LoL.  no one wants a zerker in their group anymore.  we have nothing to bring but half azzed DPS no aggro management and no utility.   why would you take a zerker for DPS when you can have a Wiz or Ranger/Assasin ?? that can do tripple the DPS we can,  and why have us tank when the Monk/Bruse can out DPS and out tank us?? Ohh and lets not forget the Pally who can also out tank and out taunt us, AND THEY CAN HEAL THEMSELVES!!  I like my zerker I guess, cuz I dont know anythign else, but the problem is no one else likes them/wants them.  and I <U>HATE</U> to solo.  and I really dont think I want to spend the next 6months makeing another toon just to find out I dont like that one! LOL</DIV>

[Zhonata]

<P>I can hoesntly say i have never had a problem finding a group.  First of all if u adept 3 or blood boild and destructive rage with imbue on chest you should be getting over 200 health per tick 4-6 sec. That as saved me alot fo times, very good for raiding cause healer dont even have to worry about me cause i heal up fast.  OUt str, attack speed and dps bonuses are great contriubters. Our vehemence is one of the best protective lines of the fighter class. WE give group mitigation. WE excel beyond almost any class in AOE attacks. We can stunn for up 15 sec ever 20 sec which is a very useful utility. </P> <P>Tho i cant say after LU16  our offense looks to be going out the window and we wont even be bringing that to a group.</P>

[FlameingInfer]

I wasnt talking about how much i can heal myself, I'm talking about group utility, what we bring to a group, and the 30second mitigation buff  we have with a 1min 30sec recast is not bringing mitigation to a gorup,  id much rather be able to bring the 1500hp to a group that i used to.  Mitigation doesnt matter anyway when getting hit with magic, which is what will happen, cuz most of the group is out of the melee range, so the little bit of mittigation we bring isnt gonna do much.

[rivj0r]

I have a 40 gnome zerker who was my most fun alt, but is now my least fun alt. Its very saddening. Sony. [Removed for Content] it up since release. <div></div>

[Exmortis_MT]

<P>I am anjoying playing a Zerker, with a 50 Sk from my previous year and a 28th Warlock, since returning to the game I am a kitty zerker, and enjoy it.  Though its similar to a SK, it is a nice idea to look forward to DW over 2H.  </P> <P>I think if people stopped worrying about what every other class had, and focused on what they have, you would all be happy zerkers like me.</P> <P> </P>

[Sural_Argonus]

<DIV>I stopped playing my Zerker made level 20 a while ago...Haven't messed with him in a while.  But it has nothing to do with the class.  I've just been doing other things...Haven't really been in the game for about 2 weeks anyway.  Taking a burn out prevention break.</DIV>

[Rashen]

<P>I'm only 58 at the moment and am not even completely decked out yet.  I have all adept Is and some cobalt.  I have gotten use to my berserker again since LU13 but it hasn't been without its pains.  On raids I am usually put into an all melee group or mostly melee group.  We don't bring alot of buffs but we do improve their dps.  Between the str and the berserk we at least bring a little something.  Definitely not like it use to be before the update where we were needed in the MT group.  We can also hold our own as the MT too.</P> <P>My two biggest gripes since the update though is aggro control and mitigation.  If you play with people that know how to control their aggro then thats not a big deal but many of the dps classes need to relearn this part as well.  They need to know they can't cast their big damage spells immediately after the pull.  You need some time to build up that aggro.  Some time as in wait about 3-5 seconds then most of the time I can maintain aggro in a group with the wizards and warlocks going all out even if they do AE.  We are probably the best at holding AE aggro between our taunts and ae attacks.</P> <P>Mitigation though is one that I don't like.  You do need to have good equipment otherwise you get pummeled fast.  We rarely ever dodge or avoid any attacks so we get hit just about every swing.  It may get mitigated but when dealing with those ^^^ it doesn't seem to help as much.  They definitely need to fix this area.</P> <P>I do have plenty of alts though.  I enjoy my Warlock alot.  Especially with their AE damage.  I don't mind my inquistor either.  Both are 50+ and while I enjoy my Berserker I do enjoy my Warlock a little bit more.</P>

[MillsFairchild]

I've got a 53 Berserker and a 53 Illusionist.  When the expansion hit, I wasn't sure which I was going to take to 60 first.  Both are very fun, but I've since found my Berserker to be a bit more enjoyable.  I have no issues with the way the class is now, and I don't think the incoming changes will do much to change that opinion. <div></div>

[Rousso]

<DIV>Retired my 54 'zerker. Got a 45 wizzie and a 23 necro running now. It is great playing the necro - I finally feel like I can tank again!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still hop on my 'zerker once in a blue moon to go out and harvest the t-6 stuff to sell to keep my new mains in decent gear.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[FlameingInfer]

<DIV>Ahh yet again another nerf comeing on Nov. 9th,  how I understand it our proc that allows others in gorup to go berserk ( which is pointless for most groups and only really good for raids when its full DPS/Scouts)  is being nerfed so the only time it procs is when the encounter dies,  ok so what use is that in a raid???  so you can thow that one out the window.  Also our proc from the fury line is being reduced down to 3 max targets.   LoL this is really getting to be to much.   they say that all tanks can tank different mobs better.  I have yet to see this and have not been able to convince anyone of this.  SONY PLEASE HELP US!!   Give us back our utility for end game!!  hell Id rather go back to being able to go on a raid just for my buffs.  now I cant be MT or be a buffer!   There is really no use for us.   I love my zerker (personaly)  but we have nothing to bring so that others will love us too! </DIV>

[Khal]

<DIV>I feel more powerfull post combat changes then I did before.  I've been MTing for the guilds raids (our guardians have been slow to level) and while MTing I usually come in the top 5 of dps.  Post changes you can actually attack while MTing in raids without fear of 7k repostes.  Zerker taunts are nothing special but when u pop rampage when the mob is inc and use DPS to taunt as well, its a fairly good combo.  Love the class, still owns.  </DIV>

[Darkd]

<P>Retired my 50 Zerker after the ravamp....for some reason couldnt hold aggro any longer.</P> <P>Now have a 34 Trouby and 34 Swash and will most likely stay with the Swash even thought I hate Queynos.</P>

[Sasaki Koji]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlameingInferno wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ahh yet again another nerf comeing on Nov. 9th,  how I understand it our proc that allows others in gorup to go berserk ( which is pointless for most groups and only really good for raids when its full DPS/Scouts)  is being nerfed so the only time it procs is when the encounter dies,  ok so what use is that in a raid???  so you can thow that one out the window.  Also our proc from the fury line is being reduced down to 3 max targets.   LoL this is really getting to be to much.   they say that all tanks can tank different mobs better.  I have yet to see this and have not been able to convince anyone of this.  SONY PLEASE HELP US!!   Give us back our utility for end game!!  hell Id rather go back to being able to go on a raid just for my buffs.  now I cant be MT or be a buffer!   There is really no use for us.   I love my zerker (personaly)  but we have nothing to bring so that others will love us too! </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No, the group berzerk skill is still when target is damaged (5%), on successful attack (15%), and when target strikes a death blow (50%) on test (Battle chant) <p>Message Edited by Sasaki Kojiro on <span class=date_text>11-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:53 AM</span>

[thygeson]

I have a 50 zerk, I rarely play it.  Hit 50 on oct 9 and only 50% to 51.  I bring it out to harvest and help on guild things.  I play my erudite wiz now it's level 41.  It is way more fun than the zerk even though I have paper armor and get one shot a lot.

[FlameingInfer]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlameingInferno wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ahh yet again another nerf comeing on Nov. 9th,  how I understand it our proc that allows others in gorup to go berserk ( which is pointless for most groups and only really good for raids when its full DPS/Scouts)  is being nerfed so the only time it procs is when the encounter dies,  ok so what use is that in a raid???  so you can thow that one out the window.  Also our proc from the fury line is being reduced down to 3 max targets.   LoL this is really getting to be to much.   they say that all tanks can tank different mobs better.  I have yet to see this and have not been able to convince anyone of this.  SONY PLEASE HELP US!!   Give us back our utility for end game!!  hell Id rather go back to being able to go on a raid just for my buffs.  now I cant be MT or be a buffer!   There is really no use for us.   I love my zerker (personaly)  but we have nothing to bring so that others will love us too! </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No, the group berzerk skill is still when target is damaged (5%), on successful attack (15%), and when target strikes a death blow (50%) on test (Battle chant) <P>Message Edited by Sasaki Kojiro on <SPAN class=date_text><FONT color=#756b56>11-08-2005</FONT></SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:53 AM</SPAN> </P> <P> </P> <P><U>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    </U></P> <P> </P> <P>Im talking about the group Berserk proc, not our personal one</P></DIV>

[Sasaki Koji]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlameingInferno wrote:<BR> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlameingInferno wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ahh yet again another nerf comeing on Nov. 9th,  how I understand it our proc that allows others in gorup to go berserk ( which is pointless for most groups and only really good for raids when its full DPS/Scouts)  is being nerfed so the only time it procs is when the encounter dies,  ok so what use is that in a raid???  so you can thow that one out the window.  Also our proc from the fury line is being reduced down to 3 max targets.   LoL this is really getting to be to much.   they say that all tanks can tank different mobs better.  I have yet to see this and have not been able to convince anyone of this.  SONY PLEASE HELP US!!   Give us back our utility for end game!!  hell Id rather go back to being able to go on a raid just for my buffs.  now I cant be MT or be a buffer!   There is really no use for us.   I love my zerker (personaly)  but we have nothing to bring so that others will love us too!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No, the group berzerk skill is still when target is damaged (5%), on successful attack (15%), and when target strikes a death blow (50%) on test (Battle chant) <P>Message Edited by Sasaki Kojiro on <SPAN class=date_text><FONT color=#756b56>11-08-2005</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>07:53 AM</SPAN></P> <P> </P> <P><U>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   </U></P> <P> </P> <P>Im talking about the group Berserk proc, not our personal one</P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>im talking about the group one too. the pesonal one has double all the chances the group one has, but they both do the same thing. This is how it is on test.</DIV>

[einar4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlameingInferno wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So,  anyone retire their Zerker and try something else?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> Forgive my flippancy, but on a berserker forum, isn't this like asking "Ok, if you are not here today, raise you hand?" </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>