Raid Usefulness

[ag74]

<DIV>I'm trying to find the usefulness of each class in raid situations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can you post:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. How you can help the MT group</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. Other raid perks you offer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>***PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS AS A CHANCE TO COMPLAIN***</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(We have all heard enough complaining for a lifetime.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you.</DIV>

[kono]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ag7433 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm trying to find the usefulness of each class in raid situations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can you post:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. How you can help the MT group</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. Other raid perks you offer.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>1.  By tanking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2.  We fit reasonably well in a melee group with scouts and fighters.  We have a large group +str buff, and a group +haste/+dps proc buff.  We also have a group hp regen buff, but it is too small to be noteworthy in most raids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>najena.konk</DIV>

[LumpyD]

<P>Vehemence+Group str+Group in combat regen+Combat Speed+Personal DPS</P> <P> </P> <P>We fit fine. We won't be tanking too many Epic 2 or 3 mobs though.. I found that one out the hard way hehe. </P><p>Message Edited by LumpyDoo on <span class=date_text>09-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:19 AM</span>

[kono]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LumpyDoo wrote:<BR> <P>We won't be tanking too many Epic 2 or 3 mobs though.. I found that one out the hard way hehe. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Well, I tanked Meathook last night.  He's only 54 x3 or whatever, but we were all still 50, and my gear isn't the best.  At the end of beta, I tanked <A href="http://hodstock.com/kono/graul.jpg" target=_blank>this 65 x4 guy</A> pretty easily, but that was at 60 with a full raid of fabled+masters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>najena.konk</DIV>

[scl]

<blockquote><hr>konofo wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ag7433 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm trying to find the usefulness of each class in raid situations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can you post:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. How you can help the MT group</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. Other raid perks you offer.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>1. By tanking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. We fit reasonably well in a melee group with scouts and fighters. We have a large group +str buff, and a group +haste/+dps proc buff. We also have a group hp regen buff, but it is too small to be noteworthy in most raids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>najena.konk</DIV><hr></blockquote> *smiles* My thinking exactly Konk. Are people still on the whole Guardian or bust MT thing? Geez, let it go already. In my opinion a good Berzerker can tank just as well as any Guardian.

[ag74]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> scl wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> konofo wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ag7433 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm trying to find the usefulness of each class in raid situations.</DIV> <DIV>Can you post:</DIV> <DIV>1. How you can help the MT group</DIV> <DIV>2. Other raid perks you offer.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>1. By tanking.</DIV> <DIV>2. We fit reasonably well in a melee group with scouts and fighters. We have a large group +str buff, and a group +haste/+dps proc buff. We also have a group hp regen buff, but it is too small to be noteworthy in most raids.</DIV> <DIV>najena.konk</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>*smiles* My thinking exactly Konk. Are people still on the whole Guardian or bust MT thing? Geez, let it go already. In my opinion a good Berzerker can tank just as well as any Guardian.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I wasn't asking if you could tank a raid mob or not. I was asking what group/single target buffs you had so I can make the best MT group possible. If you only have a +str buff to offer to the MT group, I don't see how that is better than a Monk for example where there is a chance for their avoidance to be used. </P> <P>If the +str and group hp regen is all that zerks offer to (or as) the MT, then the class would be best used in a dps group for the haste.</P> <P>I was of the opinion that for raid mobs, the goal is to get the highest avoidance and mitigation possible.</P> <P> </P>

[kono]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ag7433 wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> konofo wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ag7433 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm trying to find the usefulness of each class in raid situations.</DIV> <DIV>Can you post:</DIV> <DIV>1. How you can help the MT group</DIV> <DIV>2. Other raid perks you offer.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>1. By tanking.</DIV> <DIV>2. We fit reasonably well in a melee group with scouts and fighters. We have a large group +str buff, and a group +haste/+dps proc buff. We also have a group hp regen buff, but it is too small to be noteworthy in most raids.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I wasn't asking if you could tank a raid mob or not. I was asking what group/single target buffs you had so I can make the best MT group possible. If you only have a +str buff to offer to the MT group, I don't see how that is better than a Monk for example where there is a chance for their avoidance to be used.</P> <P>If the +str and group hp regen is all that zerks offer to (or as) the MT, then the class would be best used in a dps group for the haste.</P> <P>I was of the opinion that for raid mobs, the goal is to get the highest avoidance and mitigation possible.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I was answering the question.  To be more verbose, if the Berserker isn't the MT, then he probably shouldn't be in the MT group, assuming there are better alternatives (such as your Monk).  But the 'if' in that statement (Berserker not MT) is not necessarily a foregone conclusion, and that is the point I was trying to get across.</P> <P>Answer #2 indicates what I think our typical raid role will be.</P> <P>najena.konk</P>