Ouch... My Zerker now Zero-ker

[Risker]

<DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Well I've just been experimenting with the changes and decided a good start would be to test against something I was killing yesterday.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Me: Half-elf Berserker</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Armour : All ebon with fabled T5 boots and necklace</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Skills : All Adept 3</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Level : 46</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Target : Blightrat </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Zone : Rivervale</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Level : 38^^</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Pre combat changes I could tank about 6 of these all at once, taking little damage.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>After combat changes, I can't even take on 1 solo despite it being grey !!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Target : Vale Maiden</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Zone : Rivervale</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Level 38^^</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Pre combat changes, couldnt even hit me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>After combat changes, owned in 60 seconds being hit for massive casting dmg and unable to move.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Now I would consider that i am one of the only zerkers with all adept 3 arts (at least on faydark), and I have the best equipment other than fabled available to me..... so how the heck can those with common crafted and adept 1 spells tank anything? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>I am very disappointed by these changes and more-so that it seems almost impossible to take anything more than a basic con.  I used to be able to take on opponents much higher than me due to the time and effort invested in my character and the rewards for spending many days harvesting rares.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>VERY, disappointed by the changes and cannot understand the reason for making such a massive change to the exisitng system and not spending more time in creating interesting new zones and things the community have asked for.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Risker on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:48 AM</span>

[Khal]

<DIV>It was their intent for people not to be able to solo group mobs.  I am guessing that these mobs are a level or 2 from being green.  They have said that people with high end gear will be able to solo some green encounters.  Mobs that cast are a very very bad idea to solo, for any class with the changes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can solo harder mobs on beta then I could on live.  This is mostly due to better tanking ability and the regens.  You are on your first day of these changes.  It is almost like learning the game again for some, give it some time.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One question.  were u using your defensive stance, offensive stance, or no stance for these fights?</DIV> <P>One more thing.  What is your poisen and disease resists at?  I remember when I wore mostly all ebon my noxious resists were very low, and that is the damage type of the rats. <P>If that is the case, it may just be a case of just picking the wrong fight for how you are set up.</P><p>Message Edited by Khalad on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:13 AM</span>

[Risker]

<DIV><FONT color=#666666>Grey ! </FONT><FONT color=#cc00ff>  My avoidance was at 43% using my defensive stances along with my tower shield.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#666666></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#666666></FONT> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Risker on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:00 AM</span>

[Khal]

sorry, edited my post where i originally asked you the con, even when you stated it in your original post (been working alll night, out of it)  Check out the question above about the noxious resists, i remember mine being really [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] low in ebon (they still one of my lower resists, but not as bad)<p>Message Edited by Khalad on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:49 AM</span>

[Stuntie]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Risker wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>Pre combat changes I could tank about 6 of these all at once, taking little damage.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff>After combat changes, I can't even take on 1 solo despite it being grey !!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Risker on <SPAN class=date_text>09-14-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:48 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Given that kind of change I don't think it's down to some poision resist difference or differences between armours.</P> <P>Come on, we are not asking to be able to solo groups of reds, but we should be able to at least take on a handful of greens or greys!<BR>Even without getting up to speed on the new skills and such like we should be able to put up a decent fight agianst something we know we used to be able to handle - because we did regularly pre-patch.</P> <P>Either we have serious problems or there's something we ae missing, in which case please enlighten us.<BR></P>

[Mod]

<P>Same for my 35 Zerker. I dont have all adept 3's, but to think that a Blue now has a better than 50-50 chance to plant me 6 feet under is NOT a good thing. To contrast this, my 25 Ranger (scout class) now can solo better than my Zerker could Pre-Nerf! Yes, I said better. Since when should a 25 Ranger be able to win a 2 on 1 with 2 Yellows?  Also for further info.. All of these mobs were solo mobs. </P> <P> </P> <P>If this was done as class balancing seems to me that the changes went too far to one side.....again.</P> <p>Message Edited by Modru on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:55 AM</span>

[christmascracker]

<DIV><FONT size=2>My lvl 38 zerker - all spells at adept I, handcrafted armour, leg and chest  imbued, legendary weapon - and I'm having no trouble at all with all solo cons yellow and below. Havent tried anything higher as yet but I will :smileytongue:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Doesnt feel tooo different from the pre-patch game tbh</FONT></DIV>

[Kodachi]

Dont know what game you all are playing, but I can easily take on yellow and lower solo encounters, and solo I cant take on any Heroic encounters, but when I Duo with my husband's Defiler I can take on blue heroics and lower.  This sounds exactly like what they said they intended to do with the con system.  I get great exp off green solo encounters unlike before though. Frankly I will be surprised if I am the only berserker who realized we were grossly unbalanced.  We did the same dps as most of the scout classes, had better buffs, and we could tank. I like the changes, just need to learn system before it feels comfortable. Indya <div></div>

[MillsFairchild]

<div></div><div></div>I had an awesome time with my 'new' zerker last night.  As a level 50, I could take on: Yellow (no arrow), White (1 up arrow) and lower - easily Yellow (1 up arrow) - fairly easily I was also able to duo yellow ^^ mobs with a ranger pretty easily. All of this was mobs in the sinking sands. In a 5-person group, I was tanking level 58 ^^^ mobs in Pillars of Flame without much of a problem (besides mages).  Though I did have a few issues holding aggro... <div></div><p>NOT TO MENTION that we <i>still </i>put out very good DPS.  I was parsing around 200dps average the entire night when tanking.  Sometimes, it would get up around 350, but never lower than 150.<span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by MillsFairchild on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:37 AM</span>

[Risker]

<P><FONT color=#cc00ff>Brik - post your equipment types and the lvl of the arts you are using please.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>Then to confirm this mentor to 46 and try to solo Blightwhip in Rivervale... I could do this and 3 other rats at the same time before the update.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>I don't seem to be tanking half as good as I used to be.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </P>

[KagnarL]

Well I was out for a bit last night.... using pristine imbued fulginate crescent axes, full fulginate armor except for ebon BP and legs and I was able to solo a blue v and a blue ^....the blue ^ was a little hairy for a bit but still good.....So we can't tank things we weren't supposed to anyways....no real complaints here yet. <div></div>

[MillsFairchild]

<span><blockquote><hr>Risker wrote:<p><font color="#cc00ff">Brik - post your equipment types and the lvl of the arts you are using please. </font></p> <p><font color="#cc00ff"><font color="#ffff00">All Adept I's and some App IV's.  You can see my very normal equipment</font> <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=216240108" target=_blank>here</a>. </font></p> <p><font color="#cc00ff">Then to confirm this mentor to 46 and try to solo Blightwhip in Rivervale... I could do this and 3 other rats at the same time before the update.</font></p> <p><font color="#cc00ff">I don't seem to be tanking half as good as I used to be. </font></p> <p><font color="#cc00ff"><font color="#ffff00">Well... that's really because you're </font><font color="#ffff00"><i>not</i></font><font color="#ffff00">.  In fact - no tank is.  All classes are going to get hit more and take more damage.  But relative to other classes, Zerkers are a very good tank.  </font></font></p> <p><font color="#cc00ff"><font color="#ffff00">You can't expect to be able to solo heroics under the new system.  Especially Blightwhip when you've mentored to level 46.  You have to understand that the intention of the combat changes is such that <i>nobody </i>can do that.  Heroic mobs are meant to be killed with a group now.  It's not a berserker issue, it's the same for all classes now (or it's supposed to be, at least).</font></font> </p> <div></div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Risker wrote:<BR> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>Brik - post your equipment types and the lvl of the arts you are using please.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>Then to confirm this mentor to 46 and try to solo Blightwhip in Rivervale... I could do this and 3 other rats at the same time before the update.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>I don't seem to be tanking half as good as I used to be.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff></FONT> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Alot of people just dont seem to understand that they should never have been able to solo group mobs to begin with, Blightwhip being a group mob clearly indicated by the <STRONG>^^^</STRONG> arrows he has above his name. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For those who are a little confused about how the new con system works, please read <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=14903" target=_blank><STRONG><FONT color=#ff3300>this</FONT></STRONG></A> thread.</DIV>

[Sambora]

I couldn't seem to get Screaming Fury and Destructive rage to stack last night.  Is this no longer possible?

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sambora wrote:<BR> I couldn't seem to get Screaming Fury and Destructive rage to stack last night.  Is this no longer possible?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nope not possibly anymore, only One HP regen from the Destructive line will work + Blood Boil.

[Espyderman]

<P>One question: Why offer characters spell lines that increase, and make previous spells unuseable due to timers? I can see that it increases the difficulty but it doesnt hold any logic really. I can understand not allowing some buffs to stack with others similar, but attacks should not be all on the same reuse times as well as heals.</P> <P>Timers are what makes the new changes very difficult to get used to, i would be hapy if most were removed.</P> <P>As for tanking as a Zerker it isnt so bad, it is more difficult but i dont mind a challenge as long as its not overly challenging and doesnt make much sense combat-wise.</P>

[Immohtep]

<P>Ok, this might be a bit off topic. But i think it has some relevance. </P> <P>I've recently come back to this game after a few months off. When i logged in i had a few quests that needed to be completed. I was trying to finish those off to make room for new ones with the expansion. Some of these required that i kill mobs that had long been GREY to me. I still pushed on even though i knew i wasn't gonna get exp or much of a reward for it. Some of these GREY mobs were ^^ heroic types, your baisc group mob. Even pre-patch it took a little time to beat them down, but i was none the worse for wear. </P> <P>With these new changes, tell me how on EARTH i am going to complete these quests? Now admittedly, alot of this was in Cazic-thule, and i haven't been back there yet post -patch. But if i go there tonight and those mobs are still grey? How the heck am i gonna be able to convince someone that i need help killing grey mobs (no matter how many arrows) JUST BECAUSE ITS HEROIC and im not supposed to be able to SOLO that? Gimme a break!?!?!</P> <P>If it's grey and im level 50, i dont care how many arrows it has by it's name. I should be able to solo it. It's below me, it's beneath my ability, it's a mob that i've conquered and moved on from. I will go to CT later and repost if the cons have changed. That's also if i can GET to CT without a train of newly conned mobs following me. I dunno what the other parts of the game are conning now. I only had time to patch, respec and take a quick look around in the new areas.</P> <P>If the cons have changed throughout the game. Then i'm sorry if i wasted anyones reading time here. If they are still the same "con" but i still can't solo them? Then someone has screwed up.I won't even go into how i LOST 1700 hp's with these changes even AFTER respec'ing my 50 Berserker.I honestly don't think dropping our HP's needed to be done. Change the way combat works? Sure, i can deal with that. But change the reason i am called a plate tank class? (HP's being numero uno in that description) Yes, that's a major issue.</P>

[Kodachi]

<span><blockquote><hr>Immohtep wrote: <p>With these new changes, tell me how on EARTH i am going to complete these quests? Now admittedly, alot of this was in Cazic-thule, and i haven't been back there yet post -patch. But if i go there tonight and those mobs are still grey? How the heck am i gonna be able to convince someone that i need help killing grey mobs (no matter how many arrows) JUST BECAUSE ITS HEROIC and im not supposed to be able to SOLO that? Gimme a break!?!?!</p> <p>If it's grey and im level 50, i dont care how many arrows it has by it's name. I should be able to solo it. It's below me, it's beneath my ability, it's a mob that i've conquered and moved on from.</p><div></div><hr></blockquote> You obviously misunderstand what the con colors and system they are using means.   Grey solo encounters are beneath you at your level.   Grey Heroic encounters are beneath a group of people at your level.  The reason you hate the change is the very reason they made the change.  Solo monsters used to be a joke, and give very little experience.   Now they made solo encounters relatively challenging (as long as you are fighting at least blues and up), and they now give very good experience (even greens).  How are you going to do Quests that require slaying heroic encounters?   This doesn't take a brain surgeon.   You are going to need a group.   It will be a lot more fun if you do them when they con white to a group your level.  If its not worth getting a group together to do them when they are grey, then delete them from your book. Indya 43 Berserker Rat</span><div></div>

[Cention]

Don't know if u noticed, but risker was talking about ^^ mobs that were green and grey. The ones you were prolly fighting were lower which are easy. As for me, I am having the same problem as her, I have Ebon armor, legendary weapons, adept 3 and adept 1 spells. The thing that bothers me is that they lowered the aggro level and made them more capable of hitting you? Sintion - 40 Berserker - Crushbone Server

[Buggrit]

<P>lvl 30 now been soloing down arrow mobs in EL yellow cons first i had a problem figured it out because i was not using defense stance (like they didn't pull that crap from WoW)</P> <P> </P> <P>anyways i can solo them easier but i still loose 35-40% on 1 down arrow mob is that right before the patch i wouldn't even loose 15% hp i could chain kill the mobs im killing are the turtles there not even heroic</P> <P>I can say i am not very pleased with the combat changes at all my gears nothing special full crafted Feyiron SBS etc but never had anytrouble soloing non heroic mobs like that before</P> <P> </P> <P>Im going back to my Ranger/Assassin havn't decided if im gonna betray yet gl with ur berserkers guys</P>

[XensosKinein]

<DIV>Risker,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You're not the only Zerker with Adept 3's on Faydark LOL. I recently DL the patch and went out to EF. My first thoughts on the patch were alot like what you say.. get owned by mobs I used to own. I have all the important Adept3's and around 7 or 8 Masters. Full ebon, 2 ebon crescent axes (imbued) all in all ... all legendary stuff. At first I couldn't even take a bighorn sheep. Of course, neither can anyone else now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I owned the crap out of solo mobs (more than I did before) I could take ^^ heroics with little challenge, and come damned close to dropping ^^^ heroics. Since heroics are now meant for groups (as was the original intention of EQ2) I wouldn't expect that I could own everything with arrows over it's head.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now... grouping. My GF is a lvl 50 TMP. She's getting owned by anything heroic. However, when we group the whole situation changes. We were dropping White ^^^ like nothing. I was also taking Yellow group and assing the crap out of them. So, I would say that SOE's con system is working just fine. Soloists can take solo mobs after the revamp. Mobs that are meant for groups will now require a group to take... or one severe badass.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Take some time to learn your toon. I think once you get the tricks down (especially when grouped) you'll find that SOE really fixed what they had broken in the game prior to the patch. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>