Berserker or Monk?

[ToxicWi]

<DIV> <DIV>Hi. I am a fighter and will soon be choosing my class. I have been many things, mostly casters, so taking my first step into non-casting will be a bit ackward for me. Anyways, I cannot decide between a Brawler and later a Monk or a Warrior and later a Berserker. To all those zerkers out there: Can you solo well? How well and what types of mobs can you solo? What are some of the good, unique, fun abilites you get? What is your main job? I know that much of this will change after the revamp, so any info whether it is current or speculation of the revamp is much appreciated. Thanks! :smileyhappy:</DIV></DIV>

[KittenClaw]

You asked for opinions, Toxic, and here is mine. Please no one feel the need to flame, if you disagree, hold it under your hat and state your opinion in a kind and helpful manner. I think we can solo very well, and it will only get better. We will have a health regen buff after revamp. Our main job, in my opinion is being a main tank, but we can also do a good amounts of DPS. In a group, you make a great main tank because you hold the agro so well because of the amount of damage you do. At level 39 I could solo six ^38 heroics on the feerrott. To be quite honest I havent solod much since then, outside of Splitpaw. And well, Harclave isn't really a good example of soloing abilities. My husband plays an Inquisitor and we have played together duoing from the start, although I do play alone quite alot when he is unavailable. We went from level 32-39 in a matter of days, soloing and duoing on the Feerrott. Many classes have a hard time with the Splitpaw Solo arena, but I managed to beat it on the third try. Right now, we are awesome DPS and good tanks, after the revamp we will be good DPS and awesome tanks. As for monks, they are more geared toward DPS and they aren't going to be able to take a hit as well as a berserker, so I would think that they wouldn't be as good at soloing. I know they have high avoidance, but when they do actually get hit its a real wallop of a punch, so to speak. Berserkers are going to have some awesome buffs after revamp, and will still be good DPS.  We have some really great AOEs and I think that our class is vastly improving. Please take a look at the post the level 50 made of our higher end spells, hopefully you will be as impressed as I am. I have never once regretted making a berserker, but I fear that I would have regretted playing a monk. That is just me, though. <div></div>

[Corvax6]

<P>Hiya Toxic,</P> <P>              You know it really comes down to what type of tank do you want to be... The tank that runs into battle with a war cry and drulling for the kill (Zerker Style) or the more of a off tank that supports another.  As Kitten said, we get to were the Plate Armor, Big Shields, All melee type (Dual Handed, One Handed + Shield or Dual Wield) wiich makes us pretty versitial.  We can tank or DPS depending on the situation.</P> <P>For Soloing,  I could Always Solo a Green ^^ Heroic mob even Blue ^^ Heroic sometimes, depending on the type of creatures and if the mob wasn't to luck on critical hit's.  </P> <P>But what I like the most is getting into a group of mobs and going at them with the AOE Zerker style <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. </P> <P>Also, looking at the combat revamp on the way.  I think we are going to be even cooler to play when we solo with the in-combat health regen buffs...</P> <P>But don't forget that this is just my 2cents, all comes down to you...:smileytongue:</P> <P>Good Luck</P>

[Ethelwo]

<P>Hi, I have a L50 berserker and a L44 monk, both classes have been really fun to play, I can solo well with either. They do play very different though, with the monk being a bit more of a challange. The trick to any class in the game is gear and spells/skills. The better the gear the better you do things, the same applies with spells/skills.</P> <P>With the upcoming combat change the Berserker will fair well, but it will be a changed class. They are taking the serker out of Berserker and you will be playing a Bertank.</P> <DIV>Monks on the other hand fair much better, they will pick up a long term group haste buff which will make them more popular to have along on raids, They also get much better avoidance and that will make them better tanks as well. They do lose some dps, so now it will take 30 sec to kill a solo even con mob instead of 10sec. The monk dps was the best kept secret in the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My Berserker who has great dps doesnt compare to what my monk can dish out.  Monks get other self haste spells and they stack with the upcoming group haste as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Monk gear is much cheeper then Berserker gear too. So you will have less of a problem dressing yourself out in legendary gear from rare harvests. Weapons are made from rare wood and rare pelt drops as well, never any need for the overly high priced rare ore drops that are a must have for Berserkers.</DIV>

[KittenClaw]

Ethelwolf wrote: <i>Monk gear is much cheeper then Berserker gear too. So you will have less of a problem dressing yourself out in legendary gear from rare harvests. Weapons are made from rare wood and rare pelt drops as well, never any need for the overly high priced rare ore drops that are a must have for Berserkers.</i> I would like to agree that berserkers are one of the most expencive classes and elaborate to say that a berserker can use all the same weapons as a monk, except knuckles. That is one of the things which makes berserkers so desirable: their versatility. I have been using my pristine imbued cedar fighting batons for severel levels and I love them. I find them very useful and I really liked that they cost only around 40g each. I would adore an ebon one hander and a pair of ebon dual weilders but well... its out of my budget. The armour is really rather over priced in my opinion, but I think that ebon breast plates are a but overrated and I will be using Sheila Everling's Chestplate of the Colossus. In my opinion it has better stat adds and at 53 it will have better mitigation than the ebon BP. Oh and Sheila Everling's BP runs around 20g and the cheapest I could find an ebon BP was 3pp. Although, I am a lesson in cheapness, frugal beyond all reason, so perhaps my opinion is biased because I couldn't help but say, "GOOD LORD!! THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY!!!" when I first saw the price of Ebon. Sheila's BP Stats: <span class="data-statplus">+13</span> Strength   <span class="data-statplus">+4</span> Stamina   <span class="data-statplus">+22</span> Health   <span class="data-statplus">+22</span> Power  <span class="data-statplus">+160</span> vs.Cold   <span class="data-statplus">+320</span> vs.Poison   Until I can use my everling BP I am using Rubicite. http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=329585203 <div></div>

[ToxicWi]

<DIV>Well, I have decided to go the path of Berserker if I become a Fighter. So now my overall options are: Berserker, Necromancer, Wizard, Fury, Mystic, Ranger, or Troubador. [Removed for Content].</DIV>

[Styk]

Totally depends on your playstyle, i am damage person so healer types i can never play. If melee then i would be a Berserker all the way! NOW if i was going to be a caster then um my clear choice is Warlock, they have good single target nukes ( wizard of course is better in that dept )  and are just the king of AE dps But that is my choice, its totally up to you how you want to play eq2 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Enjoy <div></div>

[zt]

<DIV>1.) No, very poor solo-er. Even with most legendary gear, poor buffs and sub-par DPS just can't cut it.</DIV> <DIV>2.) I can usually solo grey single monsters, sometimes, when I'm feeling good, a solo green mob. And no, I'm not kidding.</DIV> <DIV>3.) Unique and fun? Well, unique: none, bards get attack speed bonuses too, HP buffs? Every priest class. No, nothing unique. </DIV> <DIV>4.) With the revamp, maybe the pain and suffering of having spent countless hours of raising a berserker to 50 will be relieved. In other words, I hope they buff us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Definitely the Monk, or bruiser, because the Berserker is really not much fun to play at all, poor buffs ( OKAY, maybe not with Master I's, but most people don't have those.) I played a Berserker through to 50 and I now play on a Templar alt most of the time, he is so much more fun to play, not just because he's a "fresh change" I really think he's more fun to play, in general. Okay, that really doesn't say much as far as what monks are like playing, I really dunno, if you want a good playing experience I'd say go for the non-berserker classes. Yes, other people may say that berserkers are fun to play, and that they like their character. Really, it is a cry for help. Don't go berserker. I can't tank, I deal DPS equivilent to that of a priest subclass, as seen by a few raid DPS meter-thingies, that shows DPS at the end of each mob, my DPS was equal to like, a warden. Which is disgusting. But anyways, I'm sure I'll get yelled at, so I'll be quiet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In short, go with the Brawler class whether that be a Monk or Bruiser, I believe you'll have a much better experience.</DIV>

[Shartan2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zths wrote:<BR> <DIV>1.) No, very poor solo-er. Even with most legendary gear, poor buffs and sub-par DPS just can't cut it.</DIV> <DIV>2.) I can usually solo grey single monsters, sometimes, when I'm feeling good, a solo green mob. And no, I'm not kidding.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Excuse me? I play a 41 Zerker and I would say that easily 90% of my xp comes from solo play. My alts are all sub 20 so I can't comment on their play style but I have found it very easy to solo. I'd say it is just simply a case that the play style required for a Zerker simply didn't suit your play style. Though congrats on sticking with it till 50<BR>

[uux]

<span><blockquote><hr>Shartan2 wrote: <blockquote> <hr> zths wrote: <div>1.) No, very poor solo-er. Even with most legendary gear, poor buffs and sub-par DPS just can't cut it.</div> <div>2.) I can usually solo grey single monsters, sometimes, when I'm feeling good, a solo green mob. And no, I'm not kidding.</div> <hr> </blockquote>Excuse me? I play a 41 Zerker and I would say that easily 90% of my xp comes from solo play. My alts are all sub 20 so I can't comment on their play style but I have found it very easy to solo. I'd say it is just simply a case that the play style required for a Zerker simply didn't suit your play style. Though congrats on sticking with it till 50 <div></div><hr></blockquote> I now play a level 46 zerker.  I can say I have no trouble at all with playing solo.  I was killing red con'd nightbloods in EL at level 32.  No special gear, all handcrafted.  App IV or Adept I's across the board.  I can consistently beat the pit champion in the splitpaw solo arena, where many think it's impossible.  Being a well rounded class, a zerker fairs very well at being able to solo.</span><div></div>

[KittenClaw]

<span></span> <blockquote><span> I now play a level 46 zerker.  I can say I have no trouble at all with playing solo.  I was killing red con'd nightbloods in EL at level 32.  No special gear, all handcrafted.  App IV or Adept I's across the board.  I can consistently beat the pit champion in the splitpaw solo arena, where many think it's impossible.  Being a well rounded class, a zerker fairs very well at being able to solo.</span> <span></span></blockquote> <span> Nicely put and I can't agree more. After I got a method for murder down I had no problems with the pit champ either. I've always had great luck soloing and duoing. With a berserker (me) an Inquisitor (my hubby) and one DPS class we take things down in permafrost that it takes full groups for. We go all over the dungeon without any problems, although it is nice to bring a scout along in case the spit hits the fan and we get a lot of adds. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> Evac is lovely <span>:smileywink:</span> Since level 43 or so the inquisitor hubby and I have been duoing the glimmers and 3 packs of giants in the courtyard of perma without any problems.  At level 42 I tanked the level 50 giants in perma WITHOUT any problems what so ever! Lets see a monk do that my darling dears! I love my berserker and wouldn't want to play a different tank class. </span><div></div>

[Strewth]

Zerkers can solo, just some people can't... <div></div>

[MillsFairchild]

<div></div>I've got a lvl 45 zerker and I've soloed 95% of the way there.  We are outstanding soloers if you do it right.  I've consistently, from level 20 to 45,  been able to kill orange mobs and some reds with little chance of death.  And fast too.  At the end of a fight, you'll be lower on power than you are on health... but things die so fast that out-of-combat regen makes recovery time very quick. Of course, that's not to say mobs of those cons are the most efficient to level on either.  I'm just saying we can do it.  Evens, blues, and greens are a joke.  And groups of 3+ with down arrows are like bread and butter to a zerker.  Our AE procs will sometimes kill mobs before you even turn your attention to them.  Green heroics are plenty doable... and more-so at higher levels (when you get bigger defense buffs). After the revamp, who knows.  I suspect we'll still be quite good soloers, though the going will be a little slower than before. <div></div><p>Message Edited by MillsFairchild on <span class=date_text>08-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:01 AM</span>

[Sambora]

<DIV>Zths clearly has no clue on how to play the zerker class.  I wouldn't listen to anything he has to say.  If you're doing as much dmg as a warden you clearly have issues.  On a Darathar raid a couple weeks ago, I was 3rd in DPS!!  above all the scouts in the raid!</DIV> <DIV>I suggest you stop playing EQ2 and maybe go back to either Chutes and Ladders or perhaps Candyland!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bring on Vanguard!!</DIV> <DIV>/Blowit SOE</DIV>